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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 01:44 PM
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Okay where are we exactly in Iraq and Afghanistan...
I am trying to get my head around this...

Listening to MSNBC this morning, the commentators were saying

In Iraq.. we have 46,000 personnel there, but they are trainers and support military, the active fighting units are gone.

We have 90,000 in Afghanistan with the surge from last summer, and the draw down begins in a matter of weeks.

Between watching the Missouri rise and listening to 30 people give 30 different explanations on the same subject, with each of them giving it a political spin of their own.. I need a little solid help here on what is what and what is not.

The reason I am asking this, is while the economy is the big issue for future elections, where we are in the wars is also important to all our canidates running.

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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 01:48 PM
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1. Add the privatized mercs.
:think:

That's where we are.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 01:48 PM
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2. When a person buys lots of media.
Thinking they can distort information to control society.

Those information sources become irrelevant.

Becuase they don't want you to know what is going on, becuase if you did, you would not allow them to do what they are doing.

They would be hanging from light poles.



Keep on Movin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUyTZlJnRns
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 02:20 PM
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3. Aren't you due some beer money?
and travel expenses?
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 02:25 PM
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4. I don't think expenses is the correct word for that.
but obviously I am due beer and travel money.

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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 02:50 PM
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5. "the active fighting units are gone."
Yeah, tell that to the families of the 5 that died today in a mortar attack in Baghdad.
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sad sally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 10:11 PM
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6. Does anyone think being the occupyer in two Countries for 8-10 years long enough?
How many more people must die or be forever wounded before its enough? How much more destruction must be inflicted before its enough? How much more money be wasted until its enough?

The Secretary of Agriculture says over 6 million children under the age of six in the United States experience hungry on a daily basis. Is it more important to fund trillions for war than feed children?

My President, my Congress seems to think it is. The illegal war in Iraq will not end until they say enough. The war in Afghanistan will not end until they say enough.

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/paul-pillar/war-fatigue-america-5404?du

War Fatigue in America - Paul Pillar

Signs are increasing that the American people are growing tired enough over fighting two and a half (or whatever the right number is, depending on how you count what's going on in Libya) wars for their fatigue to affect policy, especially through the actions of their elected representatives in Congress. The war in Afghanistan, now the largest and most expensive in terms of ongoing operations, and now in its tenth year of U.S. involvement, has been the subject of several expressions of impatience. Less than two weeks ago a resolution in the House of Representatives calling on the administration to accelerate a withdrawal from Afghanistan came very close to passing (the vote was 204 to 215). Now Norm Dicks (D-WA), an influential Democrat on national security matters who is the ranking member of the Appropriations Committee and its subcommittee on defense, has become an outspoken critic of the war. “I just think that there’s a war fatigue setting in up here,” says Dicks, “and I think the president is going to have to take that into account.” Skepticism about the war is increasingly being voiced by Republicans as well. Even Sarah Palin is expressing unease.

On Libya—on which Congressional dissent is fueled in part by the administration's blatant violation of the War Powers Resolution—two resolutions of protest were put to a vote in the House of Representatives on Friday. One that was introduced by Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) and called directly for a withdrawal of U.S. forces from the Libyan conflict was defeated but attracted 148 votes, including 87 Republicans. The other, which was proposed by Speaker John Boehner as an alternative to the Kucinich resolution and passed, called on the administration to provide a more detailed explanation of the costs and objectives of the U.S. involvement in the war.

Then, of course, there is the Iraq War. It is still by far the most expensive of the expeditions in terms of cumulative costs, with the bill now exceeding $800 billion in direct costs and with all the eventual indirect costs making it more like a three trillion dollar war. But simply adhering to existing policy and agreements will mean that an end to this nightmare is just seven months away. There is no need for new action by Congress.

In general, bowing to popular fatigue is not necessarily a very careful and effective way of formulating national security policy. And throwing into the same hopper three wars that have been fought for different reasons (whether looking at the original rationales or at objectives that later emerged, which in each case were different from the original rationales) doesn't necessarily represent careful policy-making either. But when drawing down or terminating each of these expeditions is in the national interest—which it is—then the national war fatigue is a force for good. It can and should be harnessed to effect a change of course in Afghanistan and Libya and to resist any diversion from the course toward the exit in Iraq.
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 11:09 PM
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7. Debating how many get to leave Afghanistan
and more or less at settled with the number we have in Iraq. Its good to see the pentagon talking about a 5% overall budget reduction, and about how we may bring more home from Afghanistan in July than previously planned.

In Libya the rebels are doing well, and the news at least is very heartening. "War fatigue" here is understandable, but nobody is talking about US "boots on the ground" there anyway, and NATO is in good shape, so its ok.
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