Obama will not cut any Social Security benefits. You heard it here first.

[Ice Number Nine]

Go ahead and bookmark this post.

Despite an ever growing pile of speculative BS,
it's just not going to happen.

No matter how many times the claim is repeated...and repeated...and repeated.

The Big Lie is still not the truth.

[Ozymanithrax]

1. Post a statement by the President saying such. I'll check back.

Until then, no benefit of the doubt is allowed.

Well, unless you are the President posting her incognito.

Mr. President, is that you?

If it is, would you like to hold a DU town hall meeting?

[woo me with science]

2. Will he allow chained CPI and claim that is not the same

as cutting benefits directly?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=439&topic_id=1399700

[Ice Number Nine]

4. already parsing words? sheesh, this Obama's cutting SS meme has crumbled even faster than the others

[woo me with science]

6. You didn't answer my question,

as long as you have your crystal ball out.

[Ice Number Nine]

7. face it. you have no idea what's going to happen.

You're really stretching by attempting to make Obama look like he's destroying the program.

I, on the other hand, am absolutely certain there will be no cuts to SS Benefits.

I'd even bet you a DU donation that I'm right.

[woo me with science]

12. You still didn't answer my question.

Hmm.

[Ice Number Nine]

17. There will be no actual cuts to SS benefits. That is the answer.

If what you're suggesting is a cut to benefits, then it won't be happening.

Good enough???

[woo me with science]

19. Will he accept chained CPI?

My goodness, you are being careful with your words.

[Ice Number Nine]

21. It seems that you're being even more delicate.

Does "chained CPI" = Benefit cut?
If the answer is yes, then "chained CPI" will not be a part of the deal.

How much clearer can I be?

especially when dealing with an argument as obscure as yours.

[woo me with science]

23. So answer the questions, then.

Mine AND yours.

Of course you won't. :eyes:

[Ice Number Nine]

24. no, "chained CPI" is not a benefit cut.

no, I do not believe it will appear in any deal the President makes.

Do you at least realize how abstract you've had to get to find and speculate about a 'problem' that doesn't even exist yet?
You've gone so far as to comprehend that there will not be any actual benefit cuts. So you had to go a step further and find some other proposed method of adjusting SS and say that it's the great evil to come.

[woo me with science]

26. In summary, you claim that chained CPI should NOT be considered a benefit cut.

You don't think it will be in the plan. But if it somehow DOES end up in the plan, you will vehemently deny that the President has made any cuts to Social Security benefits.

Got it. :eyes:

I suspect this is exactly what we will be hearing in days to come.:puke:

War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
We have always been at war with Eastasia.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=439&topic_id=1399700

[Ice Number Nine]

27. do you see how you avoided ever claiming that is was a benefit cut?

pretty fancy footwork.

I said no twice.
You do not get to reinterpret my words according to your own beliefs. Sorry.

[woo me with science]

29. It would be funny,

if it weren't desperately sad.

:puke:

[Ice Number Nine]

30. you did it again. one more post of leapfrog without any real answer.

I answered your questions.

How about you try it out?

[Name removed]

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[Ice Number Nine]

32. I don't need another pet, but thanks anyway.

[Warren Stupidity]

39. So a reduction in benefits is not a cut in benefits?

[Ice Number Nine]

46. a reduction in the rate of benefit growth is not a reduction in existing benefits.

and no matter how you twist it, you can't make it be so.

[Warren Stupidity]

55. I see.

So you are fine with the federal government inflating its way out of its obligations to pay back the money it borrowed from the SS trust fund. How very republican of you.

[Thumper79]

64. I think this is exactly what he'll do. We get screwed again.

[vroomvroom]

3. The words will be: "Reforming Entitlements"

[Ice Number Nine]

5. will there be cuts to actual benefits???????

[cutlassmama]

8. A news article I just read on Yahoo said that the first place payments will

not be made it to SS recipients on August 2nd if we default.

[Ice Number Nine]

9. that has nothing to do with cutting SS. that's just the nature of a default.

[CakeGrrl]

10. Which is one reason the President is doing what he can to AVOID a default. -nt

[Hawkowl]

11. If you are wrong

Will you properly and publicly denounce Obama?

[Ice Number Nine]

13. I would never denounce the man just because I didn't support one of his actions.

He has done too much good.

If you are wrong will you publicly apologize to Obama?

I doubt it.

[woo me with science]

14. Yeah, cutting SS and Medicare is just one little thing.

Insignificant, really. :eyes:

[Ice Number Nine]

16. I didn't say I supported doing either of those things. I just wouldn't burn Obama in effigy.

But this is all beside the point.

Social Security Cuts just aren't happening.

[woo me with science]

20. Is chained CPI happening?

No, you haven't stated your position yet. Not at all.

Yet you seem very upset with people who might raise a protest in response to a trial balloon.

[Ice Number Nine]

22. you've really latched on to a concept that I don't think you fully understand.

Hear me now and believe me later.

No cuts to SS benefits.

[woo me with science]

28. Such a careful formulation.

1. "No cuts to SS benefits."
2. "..."chained CPI" is not a benefit cut."
3. Ergo, when Obama accepts chained CPI, he can deny fervently that he "cut" Social Security benefits.

:puke:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=439&topic_id=1399700

[Ice Number Nine]

33. I'm willing to make DU Donation wager that you're wrong. Are you?

[woo me with science]

42. Bwah!

War is Peace. Wanna bet?
Freedom is Slavery. Wanna bet?
Ignorance is Strength. Wanna bet?
2+2=5 Let's bet on that!

The chocolate ration has been increased. We have always been at war with Eurasia. :eyes:

It's a sick little carnival game being played, and it is unconscionably cruel. At a certain point, amusement at the carnie's slick, shameless tongue becomes disgust and contempt.

This carnival is evil, and, no, I will not play silly word games on the Midway. :eyes::puke:

[Ice Number Nine]

47. maybe you just don't want to bet on something you're guessing about.

I thought you were convinced that you were right.
Guess not.

It's easy not to play when you know you don't have a chance at winning. I understand.

[Hawkowl]

15. Yep.

I have no problem publicly apologizing and admitting I was wrong. Unfortunately, Obama hasn't proven me wrong yet on many, many issues.

You, I see, simply believe in no accountability. That's fine and actually works if you are rich or powerful. For the rest of us wage slaves, it costs us our jobs.

[bornskeptic]

36. If INN is right, which he is, will you publicly praise Obama? n/t

[Hawkowl]

63. Yep.

Carrot or the very big stick. Obama's choice.

[Name removed]

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[Tx4obama]

25. +100 for the OP. n/t

[eShirl]

34. please be right

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[boppers]

35. Oh, but any sane action will be a "cut".

Taking funds away from fraudulent claims? It's a "cut".

We already saw this with COLA. Anything less than an increase to everybody on SS, regardless of the reason, is a "cut".

[Hawkowl]

45. Glad we agree

Now maybe we can get back to REALLY reforming SS. Like lowering the retirement age to 55 and lifting the income tax cap on SS. Not just abolishing the cap on WAGE income of about $104,000 but let's apply the SS and Medicare tax rates to ALL types of income, personal and corporate, with no upper limit.

Let's call it a FLAT RATE tax to rope in wing-nut support.

Now, do you think Mr. Corporate, Wall Street suck-off, President will get anywhere close to these types of Democratic solutions? Really?

[Onlooker]

37. And he's going to get the US out of Afghanistan, too n/t

[Warren Stupidity]

38. They won't call it a cut.

I don't know if there will be compromise that results in lowering SS benefits or not, but I can predict with some certainty that such a cut will be framed as anything other than a cut to provide some small cover for the party loyalists. Yeah Team!

"Washington (CNN) -- President Barack Obama is seeking $3 trillion to $4 trillion in deficit cuts over the next decade, a move that would require putting Social Security, Medicare, defense spending and tax reform on the table as part of a balanced approach to cuts, Democratic officials familiar with the negotiations told CNN.

The officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, did not say what types of cuts would have to be considered under such a proposal. In the past, one Social Security adjustment debt negotiators have discussed is cost-of-living.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/07/07/debt.crisis/

[StandingInLeftField]

40. "Number Nine, Number Nine, number nine......number ni...

"Number Nine has left the building"

Move along,nothing to see here.

[Bobbie Jo]

44. ??

Wut?

[Ice Number Nine]

48. What are you going to do when I'm right?

Move on to the next outrage and forget all about this one?

[Locrian]

41. it won't be a "cut" - it'll be an "adjustment" - nt

[Ice Number Nine]

49. will it be a cut to existing benefits, or not?

[WI_DEM]

43. Then he needs to come out and tell people what his plan is so we know what he is planning

[Ice Number Nine]

51. or else we're just going to jump to the worst possible conclusion and flail about, right?

[juajen]

50. Every year that we do not receive a COLA, our SS benefits are being cut. Enough!

[IndyMaine]

52. Well, you've been proven 100% WRONG

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/170143-senate-democrats-fuming-over-debt-talks

Sorry, the Rapture didn't happen... again

[Ice Number Nine]

53. that article just has Dems questioning press reports. No evidence to support the Big Lie.

You're right.

The rapture didn't happen. Obama won't cut SS benefits.

[Name removed]

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[Enrique]

56. i guess there's no point in bookmarking this thread now

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles&u_id=272667

[QC]

58. How mavericky! n/t

[woo me with science]

61. Don't worry. It takes many forms. nt

[frylock]

66. denying me the pleasure of putting it on ignore

[QC]

69. Don't worry. You'll get another opportunity before the day ends. n/t

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

57. Bookmarked! Kicked & HIGHLY Recommended!!! n/t

[polichick]

59. Oh good grief, we've been hearing that for months. Where have you been?!

[Phx_Dem]

60. Couldn't agree more. Too many DUers live to be outraged.

And any nugget whether true or not will suffice.

They're pretty pathetic. It's kinda fun watching them freak out and over something that will never come to fruition.

[MadMaddie]

62. The Big MSM lie is still not the truth

You are absolutely correct.

Until we have actual facts and data.........hmmmmmm.....we should actually stop listening to the Hype of the MSM machine)

[marlakay]

65. Could he possibly be leaking this out to stir up the base

and then he says no I didn't mean that...you have to admit this one subject SS gets people freaked and willing to yell and scream more than anything else.

Maybe he wants to remind the dems of what they have. Of what they will lose if repubs win next time.

Just a thought...I wouldn't put anything past politicians.

[vroomvroom]

67. Bookmarked.

[graywarrior]

68. !

:thumbsup:

[blkmusclmachine]

70. SS cuts are a DONE DEAL.

What's going to be happening next is the kabuki theatre part of it, where they try to convice us they "fought for the best deal possible," all the while giving the lunatics in the GOP every damn thing they want. Just like clockwork.

[WiffenPoof]

71. Okay...Then Explain...

why ANY Dem Administration would float a trial balloon out hinting at cutting these benefits??? What is the purpose??? This is beyond baffling...It is a betrayal of true Dem principles.

[QC]

72. Him gone bye-bye. n/t