Please O, Don't make them make you prove a negative

[Laura PourMeADrink]

Again

You did it with the stimulus, whether you truly saved the country from the Great Depression Two....or

Fell into their ploy of raising the debt and letting you own it...it doesn't matter

No one can ever prove a negative.

Let them block the debt ceiling raise.

Let it happen.

Watch the chaos, and then come in and fix it.

[ClassWarrior]

1. K&R

NGU.

[Tx4obama]

2. NO NO NO

America should NOT go down the road to chaos - NO one want to SEE that.

If the debt ceiling is not raised interest rates for borrowing will go WAY UP - and it will hurt American taxpayers!

Harming America to prove a point is NOT worth it.

[ClassWarrior]

3. You're right. O should knuckle under to every threat the Rape-Publicans make...

...even if it's guaranteed to blow up in their pasty white faces.

:eyes:

NGU.

[Tx4obama]

5. I didn't say that "O should knuckle under "

President Obama should find the 'best way to avoid the disaster' that would occur if the debt ceiling is not raised.
That does NOT mean he should or will knuckle under.

[ClassWarrior]

7. Of course you didn't.

If you did, that'd give away the game, wouldn't it?

:rofl:

NGU.

[Tx4obama]

8. nongonococcal urethritis, huh?

And I don't understand what 'game' you are referring to.
So, anyway - Ciao! :)

[ClassWarrior]

9. Of course you don't.

:rofl:

Never Give Up.

[Amonester]

6. The Senate will not pass a 'cuts only' bill.

I don't think so.

My 2 cents.

[bvar22]

13. The Monied Interests that OWN the Republican party would NEVER let that happen.

The Republicans are BLUFFING.
The TELL was in FULL view was last week.

Like the OP,
I think Obama should CALL their BLUFF, & RAISE with an INCREASE in the Payroll Tax (Lift the Cap).
At this stage, I wouldn't be afraid to go All In.



Who will STAND and FIGHT for THIS American Majority?
You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

16. Yes - lift the payroll tax cap ! nt

[Amonester]

4. The Executive branch does not have the luxury to 'watch' the chaos.

The Executive branch must ACT to 'try' to prevent it from happening in the first place.

The Constitution requires it.

[DCKit]

10. Too true... or we might end up with one of those (R) morans in the WH.

I'm unimpressed by the candidates they're fielding. Scary bunch.

[Igel]

11. People prove negatives all the time.

It's considered a fallacy because proving a negative is onerous in most cases, because proving that something is false or didn't/can't exist or occur isn't practical given the nature of our knowledge or the complexity of the logic that would be required.

But if the knowledge is sure, is restricted in scope, and the logic simple enough, sure--we prove negatives. It's called "proof by contradiction." It's very similar to reductio ad absurdum.

Prove that the point (1, 3) is not on the line in the Cartesian plane defined by y = 3x + 15. Let's assume the opposite: that the point (1, 3) lies on that line. If it does, then it is entailed that substituting x = 1 and 3 = y into that equation will produce a balanced equation. Let's try it: 3 = 3(1) + 15 = 18. Is it true that 3 = 18? No, by assuming that the statement is true we find that a false conclusion is entailed. Therefore the assumption must be false and point (1, 3) does not lie on the line defined by y = 3x + 15.

Then again, when I was a freshman we had to be careful in our Fortran IV programs written to be run on a Snowball Fortran emulator. The compiler treated alphanumerics as variables, and saw nothing wrong with either "a = 18" or "3 = 18". Both assigned the value "18" to a variable. "x = 2 * a" would return the value "36"; then again, "x = 2 * 3" would also return the value "36". Some pranksters had a bunch of cards with statements precisely like "5 = 6" punched in them and would randomly insert them into card stacks waiting to be run. Then students would look over their reasoning and the "important" parts of their program, overlooking a single errant card near the front of the stack.

With the real, physical it's hard enough to prove positive statements. Just look at the birther movement: "Obama, prove that you were born in HI!" Even the release of a copy of the actual signed birth certificate didn't do it. Such things can be faked, people can be bribed, they say. Yada-yada. The problem is that such things really *can* be faked and people really can be bribed.

Then there's the truther folks calling upon people not just to prove that it was a couple of airplanes piloted by the named suspects that brought the twin towers down, but to prove that it wasn't a controlled and planned explosion with * or Cheney or somebody else masterminding the entire affair. That's harder because you have to show that something did not happen. And if you manage to actually make the negative very implausible through herculean effort you get the same response: Such things can be faked and people can be bribed.

Sigh. But it's false to just say, "you can't prove a negative."

[Laura PourMeADrink]

15. You are right. I should have said

Don't put yourself in a position where you HAVE to prove a negative.

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[mkultra]

17. no thanks, i would rather he act to save people then sacrafice them for political gain

as you would suggest. Why do you hate regular working people?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

18. why do I hate working people? that is absurd. if he doesn't step

up the ante...look what a horrible place working people will be in when the repukes take over.

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[JuniperLea]

19. It's not worth the lesson learned...

Not even THAT lesson is worth allowing the full faith and credit of the United States of America fail. It would be too costly, and we all know who ends up eating all costs. It would take too long to correct... Obama is having a hard enough time with the current fiscal crisis... and can you imagine the obstruction?!??!

[Laura PourMeADrink]

20. All I am doing is questioning the "Sky is Falling"....just like it

was falling before the Stimulus package that we HAD to have. Isn't that what free thinking is about? To debate the issue pro and con??? All I can see is a new package passing with the label that he doesn't care about the debt and pushed the debt higher.