So what did the Dems get out of this deal? Did the Republicans give up anything?

[Cali_Democrat]

Anyone have any information? Things seem to be moving pretty fast right now.

[ProSense]

1. Here

are some details

[AmericaIsGreat]

2. If you call exempting SS, Medicaid from cuts giving something up

Then, yes, the Republicans gave something up.

Other than that, no.

[Tx4obama]

6. Also the Bush tax cuts will still expire at the end of 2012, and there's no BBA in the new agreement

[jeff47]

20. Bush tax cuts are not part of the deal.

The Bush tax cuts is what Obama is threatening to end if the Republicans don't deal again when the "super-congress" screws us.

Since he hasn't found a spine yet, I'm not holding my breath on that one.

[JoePhilly]

8. But Obama was "hell-bent" on making just such cuts.

Or so I've heard predicted on DU daily for the last month or more.

[AmericaIsGreat]

17. Well, as someone just pointed out: SS/Medicaid only exempt from auto trigger cuts

if the committee can't come up with 1.2 trillion in cuts.

But could face cuts as part of the 1.2 trillion in cuts.

Fail.

[gateley]

9. That's BIG in my book (and I'm not a recipient of either one). Deal

with this now and live to fight another day. I'm fervently hoping we get our act and messaging together before the other issues are addressed.

AND, I'm guessing a lot of Dems will be hearing from outraged constituents which may make them fight a little harder in upcoming battles.

[polichick]

3. We get the debt ceiling raised. Period.

[brentspeak]

10. Which would have happened anyway, had Obama simply called for a standard up-or-down vote n/t

[polichick]

11. That's right - he could easily have insisted on a clean bill and discussed nothing else...

Which means he is doing exactly what he wants to do.

[treestar]

12. Is Obama Speaker of the House too?

:rofl:

[brentspeak]

19. Rep. Cummings: Obama Should Ask For A Clean Bill To Raise The Debt Ceiling

You've bragged in the past on these forums that you're some kind of corporate attorney, but are your employers really sure they want to pay big bucks to someone with such argumentative skills?

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/07/28/281829/cummings-clean-debt-ceiling-vote/

CUMMINGS: I think we’re at a point where the Republicans have pushed and pushed, haven’t given much at all, and now I think we’re going to end up in a stalemate. I anticipate that the Boehner bill will get through the House today after he’s pushed his folks kind of hard and then it’ll be dead on arrival once it get’s to the Senate, then the Senate will send something over.

And then I think the president is going to have to step in. Then he’s going to have to say ‘Look guys, there doesn’t seem to be an agreement here. And so basically let’s send this clean extension.’ By the way, which is what just about every member of the Democrats on the House side are petitioning for. And I think we’ll resolve this matter. And that’s the way it should’ve been. I still think this whole thing has been manufactured.

[gateley]

4. I'm checking in because I couldn't catch Obama's speech or all

the reporters detailing what's in the deal (although I have heard them saying that passage isn't a slam-dunk).

My MAIN question is -- Is Med/SS being affected? If not, then I can live with it and we can fight about the tax cuts, loopholes and other stuff later. I was most concerned about the people who would be immediately hurt by any Med/SS cuts.

So that's my only question right now -- what about SS/Med/Med?

Thanks!

[CakeGrrl]

15. No, he did not "cave" on cutting Medicare/SS. -nt

[gateley]

18. Thank you. Can't help but think that's disappointing to some people. nt

[JoePhilly]

5. The Dems prevented a default, and made cuts that were

already in plan.

The GOP didn't get to prevent the raising of the debt ceiling, which would have crashed economies world wide as they wished, and they didn't get to end social security or medicare, and they didn't get a balanced budget agreement, or an amendment that would make it nearly impossible to ever raise any taxes every again.

[CakeGrrl]

7. Already covered above, but I'd like to point out that

the President DID NOT "slash" Medicare or SS as some were so very confident he was craven enough to do.

The fact that the GOP/'Baggers believe THEY lost says quite a bit.

[Vattel]

16. He was craven enough to do it, but the Repugs rejected his offer.

I just didn't see predictions that the final bill would include cuts to Medicare or SS benefits. People have been upset that the President offered such cuts as part of his "balanced approach."

[CakeGrrl]

23. He was NOT cutting benefits.

He has talked before about shoring up Medicare/SS to be viable down the road, and people go into freakout mode. Apparently some people can't conceive of a program that runs inefficiently and could do with some improvement to prevent it from becoming unsustainable.

It's like having a car with a problem but not letting the mechanic look under the hood because you think they'll make it undrivable.

[blkmusclmachine]

13. Nothing. No.

n/t

[Sarah Ibarruri]

14. No. As usual, the Republicans won. I'm sick of this shit. nt

[jeff47]

21. The D's only maimed their second foot.

The first one was blasted clean off when they decided a deal had to be made to begin with.

We only shot off about 1/3rd of the other foot. Go team!

[Orangepeel]

22. They got to save the hostages

At least for now.

[bhikkhu]

24. A favorable compromise - the sort of thing good government is built on

and the sort of thing that makes the other side's blood boil.

It is a spending cut, but on a ten year schedule and it does include the defense cuts - which were happening anyway, with the draw-down of forces in the ME. Basically, we get a functional government, and the pinched little 'bagger minds have to move on to their next plan, if anyone is still listening to them.