Anyone else notice that Dr. Dean's gone quiet since

[MannyGoldstein]

Obama begged the Republicans to cut Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid by $650 billion?

Hmmm...

[CakeGrrl]

1. Maybe the WH has stashed him in the basement.

:smoke:

[grasswire]

2. I did note his absence, actually.

Wondered about him yesterday.

[OHdem10]

3. I have missed him. What do you think has happened??

[MannyGoldstein]

5. I'm hoping that he's finally "had a snootful of this shit"

as Richard Trumka said it so well, and is ready to work to return Democratic values to the White House.

[jefferson_dem]

4. "Obama begged the Republicans..."

I'm sure Dr. Dean would totally appreciate your :crazy: characterization of reality as a premise to asking about his whereabouts.

[MannyGoldstein]

6. "Rep. Conyers: Obama Demanded Social Security Cuts--Not GOP"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1631283

How would you characterize it?

[elleng]

7. Bologna,

certainly hyperbole.

[MannyGoldstein]

9. Can you be specific as to which part is false?

Thanks.

[elleng]

12. I see no evidence that President Obama 'demanded Social Security cuts,'

and don't believe that he would.

Hi, Manny.

:hi:

[MannyGoldstein]

23. Congressman Conyers specifically says that he did.

And Obama himself said that he "offered" them. http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/07/22/remarks-president">From the White House:

"Essentially what we had offered Speaker Boehner was over a trillion dollars in cuts to discretionary spending, both domestic and defense. We then offered an additional $650 billion in cuts to entitlement programs -- Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security."

[ClarkUSA]

41. Then why did Conyers vote for the Reid plan after all his whining? Quote you left out -->

"Essentially what we had offered Speaker Boehner was over a trillion dollars in cuts to discretionary spending, both domestic and defense. We then offered an additional $650 billion in cuts to entitlement programs -- Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security. We believed that it was possible to shape those in a way that preserved the integrity of the system, made them available for the next generation, and did not affect current beneficiaries in an adverse way."

Conyers is full of shit:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=736170&mesg_id=736210

[Whisp]

that characterizes Conyers as hedging his bets

or just tired or something - he knows bloody well Obama did not demand any cuts. As most of you should know (but please feel free to supply me with some proof that he actually said that in case I missed it.)

The problem with Conyers and the rest is that they wrongly automatically assume touching SS and Medicare in any way means cuts. Which is foolish, I didn't think Conyers was foolish so this is a surprise, but maybe the Firebaggers and the Pro Leftists got to him.

[sudopod]

18. It hasn't been the same since Kucinich patented his special NeruoWash (TM) brain washing system.

Crazy, lying hippies cropping up left and right now in the Congress. God-fearing Americans shouldn't stand for it I tells ya.

[Whisp]

25. Hamsher is no hippie. She's a lieing POS operative.

[sudopod]

27. Does she work for HYDRA or BUGGER?

Do you suppose she and Conyers have the same handler?

[ClarkUSA]

40. Hamster Face works for Republicans via her media company and out of her PUMA hatred for Pres. Obama.

[jefferson_dem]

13. I would characterize those discussions as negotiations ...

which I do not believe Conyers was a part of.

Even if we take Conyers at face value (which is a stretch), do you honestly think it's accurate to say this means "Obama begged the Republicans to cut Social Security"? The absence of context is absolutely staggering... and only serves to discredit any legitimate points you have to make ... about Dean or anything else.

Anyway, this is beyond the point of reasonable discussion. Have fun.

[gateley]

31. I'm not denying that Obama let these make their way onto the

table but "demanded" (like Conyers wouldn't intentionally use an inflammatory word :eyes:) and "begging" are probably just a leeeeeetle over-dramatic.

But you know that, don't you Manny? :)

[elleng]

8. With you, jeff_dem.

[jefferson_dem]

15. Conyers statement is amazing, and unbelievable, on it's face...

But this poster has taken it, and twisted it, to a whole new level of hyperbole.

[elleng]

21. I agree about Conyers' statement.

Had seen it days ago and paid no attention, but for some reason decided to step up today. We really can live w/o eating our own, and was surprised hearing this from Conyers (tho he's disappointed me in the past.)

[William769]

10. Maybe gitmo was mentioned.

[scheming daemons]

11. no... but I did notice that Manny hasn't admitted he was wrong

SS didn't get cut in this deal. It won't get cut by the super congress either.

Obama's "putting it on the table" was a bluff.... he knew the GOP wouldn't agree.... but it allows him to take the high road with independents in saying he was more serious than the GOP in taking on the deficit.

You were wrong manny.... admit it and move on.

[William769]

14. "It won't get cut by the super congress either"

And where is this written in stone?

[emulatorloo]

20. And where is is written in stone that they will?

How much power is the tea party going to have on a committee that was designed to get around their purism?

For example, from what I know about my Republican Senator, he has no interest in cutting benefits for his constituents. Seniors are his voting base.

[William769]

32. You made the statement.

Now back it up. Bluff? Back that one up also.

Your quick to jump on Manny, And yet you can't back up what you say.

[jefferson_dem]

16. Guess the Republicans just couldn't get themselves to give in to Obama's pleas that SS be cut.

How good of them...

[Bodhi BloodWave]

29. Indeed, who knew the republicans were the champions and protectors of Social Security, Medicare,

and Medicaid

[CakeGrrl]

34. You mean Republicans like Paul Ryan? Guess again! -nt

[Bodhi BloodWave]

44. did i really need to use the sarcasm icon on that? n/t

[MannyGoldstein]

51. Congressional Democrats stopped entitlement cuts

Thanks.

[dbonds]

19. SS and Medicare is on the table to be cut in this deal...

They just pushed that out to November.

[MannyGoldstein]

24. I've only said that Obama's working hard to cut it

And that he's repeatedly pushed falsehoods in his flailing attempts.

I'll let each reader judge for themselves whether I've been right or not.

[great white snark]

26. Shit, if no apology after the first why expect one after the fourth?

This OP alone requires an apology.

[William769]

30. Posted wrong place.

[JoePhilly]

50. If I recall, Manny said Obama was "Hell-bent" on gutting these programs!!!

But sadly, the GOP loves those programs and prevented Obama from gutting them.

Bastards!!!

:rofl:

[BklnDem75]

17. He might be in Europe...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzC7jcRleow

But I'm sure he secretly hates Obama from afar.

[elleng]

22. Good to see him in Europe.

Doubt he 'hates.' Disagree, mebbe.

[rug]

28. He's always been polite.

[daa]

33. I just watched a tape on here he is at a conference in Europe nt

[treestar]

35. What kind of savior deserts you in your hour of need?

I believe Dr. Dean should be thrown under the bus. How disappointing.

[AtomicKitten]

36. Squirrel fail.

[jaysunb]

48. +1 n/t

[ClarkUSA]

37. "Dean again refused to take key domestic programs off the table for budget-cutting." (Oct. '03)

Has Dean identified the cuts he plans to make in entitlements?

The article below suggests he hasn't. Is the assertion accurate and if so, does anyone know if Dean plans to identify the cuts before Iowa and New Hampshire?...

During Sunday night’s debate among the Democratic presidential candidates in Detroit, Howard Dean again refused to take key domestic programs off the table for budget-cutting.

As reported in The Washington Post on Monday:

"Divisions over Iraq highlighted the 90-minute debate among the nine Democrats and overshadowed differences on the economy and other domestic issues that also emerged, particularly whether former Vermont governor Howard Dean would cut federal entitlements programs to help reduce the budget deficit...

"Kerry, noting that Dean had said earlier he would consider cutting some entitlement programs, shot back, ‘If he just took Social Security and Medicare off the table, the question is what entitlements are on the table? Veterans’ pensions, food stamps, Medicaid, Social - disability? He can’t answer that question.’"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x606535

[ClarkUSA]

38. In 1995, Howard Dean supported a Republican plan to slow Medicare spending by $270 billion.

That's Howard Dean on the Today show defending himself in response to attack ads by Richard Gephardt that claimed “Did you know he (Dean) supported the Republican plan to cut Medicare by $270 billion?”

Wait, what? Howard Dean supported a Republican plan? It doesn't matter what kind of plan it was. Howard Dean supported a Republican plan?

Politifact explains:

...back in 1995...Dean spoke favorably of a plan being proposed by Republican senators to slow the growth of spending in Medicare by $270 billion over seven years.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/07/23/997911/-Inconceivable!

[ClarkUSA]

39. Clinton, Gore, Gephardt and Dean all proposed slowing Medicare spending by anywhere from $124-$270B.

Politifact explains:

...back in 1995...Dean spoke favorably of a plan being proposed by Republican senators to slow the growth of spending in Medicare by $270 billion over seven years. And as we’ve said before, if that’s a “cut” then Gephardt and President Clinton were proposing a cut, too: a measure to slow Medicare spending by $124 billion.

So we have Clinton, Gore, Gephardt and Dean all proposing making adjustments to Medicare?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/07/23/997911/-Inconceivable!

[Raine1967]

42. Dr. Dean under the Bus with a Bail of Straw --Dogs looking for the red herring!

EOM.

[ClarkUSA]

43. Wrong. Not at all. Howard Dean "praised Barack Obama’s compromise on tax cuts at the end of 2010"

He praised Barack Obama’s compromise on tax cuts at the end of 2010, when he agreed to extend the Bush-era tax cuts for Americans of all income levels in exchange for unemployment benefits...

“I like it,” Dean said... "I felt it was a good thing politically, because what the public wants is to get something done. … When a bill is passed that is a compromise, the president, politically, is almost always the winner.”

http://www.boulderweekly.com/article-5584-howard-dean-talks-taxes-obama-in-boulder.html

[Raine1967]

45. I'm not knocking Dean.

I'm talking about how quickly people are willing to go after those that haven't spoken quickly enough.

In this case, Dr. Dean.

The OP is a red herring.

[Raine1967]

46. Clearly you see something to this.

Considering you assumed begging in you r OP, please tell us what you think Dr. Dean should say based on your opinion. No really, please.

[Peacetrain]

47. Waiting for the Vince Foster type accusations to start

[Name removed]

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[CTyankee]

52. He might be on vacation. I saw him on Morning Joe the week before last.

I don't think Dr. Dean is going to muzzle his opinion.

[polichick]

53. I wouldn't read much into it - Dean usually comes out with support for the prez...

...even though there was no room in this administration for him.

[jenmito]

54. He was on FTN today. So much for your latest conspiracy implication.

Hmmm...