Gee, if there is there this much contempt for Obama here, Bill Clinton must be hated to the core.

[RBInMaine]

Nothing like circular firesquading at its best around here lately. But then again, par for the course among the purists. (Thanks to those being more rational.)

Gee, if the purists have this level of contempt for Obama, even going so far as to crazily calling him a "Republican" which has happened time and agin, then Bill Clinton (whose presidency holds a 60+% approval and who would have won a third term if he could have regardless of personal issues) must be hated to the very core. I can only imagine him being burned in effigy by the purists. Remember he was the one who did NAFTA, WORKfare, and said "The era of big government if over." while negotiating night and day with Gingrich and the R's. (And even still, the right wing attacked him relentlessly. Hmm.)

Interesting indeed. Hating the ones who win, and glorifying the ones who got globbered: i.e. McGovern, Carter (the second time), Dukakis, and Mondale.

The key to winning national elections lies with being able to bring together a broad coalition which includes moderates and indies. THAT is who wins the presidential election. And this is absolutely indisputable.

[Dawgs]

1. Boy do I feel sorry for you.

:(

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[Armstead]

11. You missed a couple of cliched buzzwords there

[MNBrewer]

19. well, they got

1. circular firing squad
2. purists

Left out the memes that the President is impotent/had no choice, not a king/dictator, doesn't have a magic wand, is the President of the whole country... what did I miss?

[MNBrewer]

20. How could I forget these?

"enjoy President Bachmann/Perry/Palin, etc"...
"you should have voted for Democrats in the 2010 election"...

[ForeignandDomestic]

12. ...

If Clinton's politics were so still beloved in the Democratic party his wife would have won the nomination. But she didn't, because people thought Obama really was about "change", we thought he represented the Democratic wing of the Democratic party, turns out we were wrong we've been had, the clandestine right wing agenda we feared we would get under a Hillary adminsitration is excatly what we're getting under Obama, thus the outrage!

See if you can wrap your mind around what we "pure" Democrats are upset about!

[wndycty]

2. Bill Clinton is white and not currently President nor is he Obama. . .

. . .therefore he is loved.

I actually love him, but not for those reasons.

[animato]

4. It helps to be white if you want to be an alpha male

when dealing with idiot racist mobs like the teaparty.


** But don't let that effect ones far left opinion of Obama, he should present his white side and win arguments with the Republicans, it's all his fault, all the time

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

22. Nicely done!! n/t

[RBInMaine]

5. I like him too, even if he was far more "Republican" than Obama.

[wndycty]

7. I don't consider Clinton a Republican. For me, and me only, I employ the same. . .

. . .pragmatic acceptance of Clinton's governing style that I allow Obama.

I make that statement because I believe in consistency.

Quite frankly, I believe a Howard Dean or a Wesley Clark would be very similar to Obama and Clinton. Again, that is just my opinion.

[mtnsnake]

26. Bullshit. If you liked Clinton, then you wouldn't remind us of why you don't like him

This is just a backhanded attempt by you to build one Democratic president up by tearing another Democratic president down.

[RBInMaine]

30. You ENTIRELY miss the point. I voted for Clinton twice and have shaken his hand. I think he's very

good. If you read the OP you would see I tout his 60% presidency approval. What I am doing is saying that too many people on the left are trashing Obama for compromising, yet Clinton did the same thing and arguably to a much greater extent, and yet Clinton is often showered with accolades. I am pointing out the HYPOCRISY and FOOLISHNESS of those on the purist left now trashing Obama and exposing their foolish purist extremism. I am pointing out that you need someone who can win MODERATES and INDIES in order to win NATIONALLY, just as Bill Clinton did and won the Presidency TWICE. Do you get it now?

[mtnsnake]

32. If I missed your point, I apologize

but it seemed to me you were trying to take a little of the heat off Obama by reminding people about things about Clinton that should be viewed even more negatively than how they're viewing Obama nowadays (Your header implies that, and so do your comparisons within the post). It seemed you were comparing a president (Clinton) who unfortunately is not the most popular person on DU to Obama for sake of building one up at the other's expense. Sorry if I read into it wrong, though.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

18. YOU GOT IT!!! +1,000,000!!!!!!!! n/t

[Union Scribe]

37. Well, there goes that "unity" and "leading by example" bullshit, eh?

Nothing more unifying that implying DUers are a pack of racists!

[craigmatic]

6. Bill Clinton's ratings deserve to drop too. He got rid of glass-stegall.

[Davis_X_Machina]

8. He gave us Hillary...

...and for that reason he will always be lionized here. Because that's the answer for whatever problems for which Dennis Kucinich is not already the answer.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

23. +1,000,000,000!!! Well done, my friend! n/t

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[craigmatic]

35. So Bill Clinton didn't sign the gramm, leach bliley act into law in 1999? You need to check your

sources and try again. Clinton was a DLC corporatist who signed that law and took welfare away from people who needed it not to mention NAFTA. Once we as a party decide that this centrist shit doesn't work and we need to go left to fix this country the better off we'll be.

[bowens43]

9. 'what about him? What about him?'

the chant of someone who has no argument.......

Sorry but winning with someone who doesn't represent your interests or the interests of the American people is not winning.

What is absolutely indisputable is that Obama not only has failed to deliver on his promises, he hasn't even attempted to deliver.

BTW , as soon as you say 'purist' you lose, it makes you look foolish.

[leveymg]

10. The way to win elections is to lead by clear principles, and persuade the persuadable,

not to move to the middle of the road where you'll be hit by fast-moving vehicles going both ways.

Get out ahead of the issues, keep the thing on the road, and stay in the passing lane. That's how you get through the next election.

[FredStembottom]

13. What emotion is appropriate for the Man who destroyed America?

As we sit in the wreckage caused by NAFTA, Gatt, the repeal of Glass-Steagall and the end of the fairness Doctrine, what do you recommend that I feel?

What events do you think power Tea party resentment? Loss of jobs these policies drove, perhaps? Losing what little most Americans had to bankster Ponzi schemes these policies made possible... then seeing a new Dem president resurrect the banksters?

(or were you high enough on the ladder to not have experienced your livelihood being gutted and/or sent to Communist China as a result of these policies?)

[dionysus]

15. clinton destroyed america? he passed some bad shit but, damn.

:rofl:

[FredStembottom]

33. We sit today in the "bad shit".

Those "bad" things brought us a new Recession/Depression just as was forseen at the time he fought for them.
I'll revise to say: the man who destroyed the American economy.

How's that?

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

34. The Fairness Doctrine was St. Ronnie but Clinton really shit on us with

the Telecommunications Act.

[GSLevel9]

14. Clinton gets a pass

Because he lead a successful wealthy nation unlike Obama

[CakeGrrl]

16. Yeah, that unprecedented deficit just dropped out of nowhere in Janurary 2009

:wtf:

[Bunny]

29. Well, it's been 2.5 years and things are WAY worse now than

in January 2009.

[primavera]

17. That is absolutely indisputable if...

... your only goal is to win. If your goal is to do what's best for your country, there may be times when it's better in the long run to lose in the short run, but go down fighting for a principle so that the American public recognizes that there is a better alternative. If you sell out and endorse policies you know to be fatally flawed, the responsibility for the disastrous consequences rests just as much on your shoulders as it does on those of your opponent. And since everyone was one big, happy, bipartisan family in making the decision to adopt bad policy, how is anyone to know that there was a better option?

And yes, Clinton was an asshole for precisely this reason. He was a consummate political opportunist who never stood up for a principle in his life and we are paying the price now for his short term victory.

[MNBrewer]

21. Exactly!

Winning elections TO WHAT END???

If the only purpose of electing Democrats is to keep Republicans out of power, I'm not interested. At some point, a Republican will be President. It's a guarantee! I don't vote for Democrats only to keep Republicans out of power. I vote for Democrats to behave like Democrats once in office!!!!!!!!!

[ibegurpard]

24. I supported Obama because I feared Hillary would give us more of Clinton

imagine my surprise when that's exactly what we got anyway

[Dad Infinitum]

27. Clinton never came close to this shit

A friend of mine told me last night he thinks Obama will switch parties after the election

[AtomicKitten]

38. "A friend of mine told me .... Obama will switch parties after the election."

[polmaven]

39. Oh, good grief!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[lumpy]

42. Naivete

A friend of mine told me Eleanor Roosevelt was a communist......

[Dad Infinitum]

25. Bizarre OP

[paulk]

31. you generalize way too much

it makes your OP little more than flamebait

[Chan790]

36. I can't speak for anybody else...

but I never liked Bill Clinton. I talked about this a bit last month, that my decision to join the CRs was almost entirely motivated by my intense dislike of President Clinton.

[Ter]

40. I'll take Clinton any day over Obama

The 90's were actually good and fun. Plus I was in my 20's.

[mochajava666]

41. -1

[mochajava666]

43. -1