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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-11 07:49 AM
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A Democratic majority in the House would have focused on passing the President's agenda
April 2011: A SPIRITED DEFENSE OF A PROGRESSIVE VISION....

As heartening as it was to hear President Obama's full-throated condemnation of the House Republican budget plan -- he didn't pull any punches -- what made his remarks this afternoon especially satisfying was his defense of the progressive vision.

The point of the remarks was primarily to advance two goals: explain why Paul Ryan's radical proposal must be rejected and present a "balanced" alternative towards long-term deficit reduction.

But along the way, the president made a point of reminding his audience that government, the institutions of the modern welfare state, and the modern social compact are worthy of a spirited defense. Indeed, to hear Obama tell it, the progressive vision is the American vision.

"(T)here has always been another thread running through our history -- a belief that we are all connected; and that there are some things we can only do together, as a nation. We believe, in the words of the first Republican president, Abraham Lincoln, that through government, we should do together what we cannot do as well for ourselves. And so we've built a strong military to keep us secure, and public schools and universities to educate our citizens. We've laid down railroads and highways to facilitate travel and commerce. We've supported the work of scientists and researchers whose discoveries have saved lives, unleashed repeated technological revolutions, and led to countless new jobs and entire new industries. Each of us has benefitted from these investments, and we are a more prosperous country as a result.

"Part of this American belief that we are all connected also expresses itself in a conviction that each one of us deserves some basic measure of security and dignity. We recognize that no matter how responsibly we live our lives, hard times or bad luck, a crippling illness or a layoff, may strike any one of us. 'There but for the grace of God go I,' we say to ourselves, and so we contribute to programs like Medicare and Social Security, which guarantee us health care and a measure of basic income after a lifetime of hard work; unemployment insurance, which protects us against unexpected job loss; and Medicaid, which provides care for millions of seniors in nursing homes, poor children, and those with disabilities. We are a better country because of these commitments. I'll go further -- we would not be a great country without those commitments. <...>

"The America I know is generous and compassionate; a land of opportunity and optimism. We take responsibility for ourselves and each other; for the country we want and the future we share. We are the nation that built a railroad across a continent and brought light to communities shrouded in darkness. We sent a generation to college on the GI bill and saved millions of seniors from poverty with Social Security and Medicare. We have led the world in scientific research and technological breakthroughs that have transformed millions of lives. This is who we are."

There's a word to summarize this approach to government. It's called "liberalism."

As Jonathan Bernstein put it this way: "Liberals have wanted a full-throated affirmation of why government is a good thing? Obama delivered, with perhaps his strongest case for a liberal vision of government that he's given so far during his presidency."

<...>


Robert Kuttner:


<...>

President Obama has the right idea when he calls for major investment in 21st Century infrastructure. But he sends a mixed message when he also calls for a freeze on other domestic spending and cuts in public employment, undercutting the theme of the necessity of government during an economic emergency. The Republicans, meanwhile, are divided between fiscal conservatives who would slash public outlay and tea-party militants who would gut it even further.

The Republican triumph of November 2010 could be short lived. The public is starting to notice just how divided the party is, how destructive and unhelpful is its economic program, and how easily its already far-right "mainstream" increasingly gives into the GOP's lunatic fringe.

<...>

President Obama spoke brave words about a high speed rail system within the reach of 80 percent of Americans within 25 years. This would be an achievement comparable to the great public works of the New Deal. It would revive major industries and supply chains, jump start transportation engineering, increase the efficiency of our economy, and create millions of jobs. But first, we need a politics to support it. That will take more than rhetoric -- it will take real leadership.

<...>

Barack Obama could yet prove to be an inspirational leader. The Republicans are setting the table for a real Democratic resurgence. But this will require a far more assertive leader, painting a picture of a very different economy -- a leader not meeting Republicans halfway, but greeting their insane vision of America with the jaunty scorn that it invites.


President Obama’s FY 2012 Budget: An Analysis of the Public Investments

<...>

Education: An 11% increase in education, investing in 100,000 new science, technology, engineering, and math teachers, and a $1.4 billion new investment in early childhood education. Pell Grant funding is increased by over 20%, although eligibility criteria will actually be narrowed to prevent a larger increase spurred by growing demand for higher education and rising tuition costs.

Transportation: A 60% increase in transportation infrastructure investments over six years, focusing on rebuilding and maintaining the current system and building out the transit and rail infrastructure (ensuring that 80% of Americans have convenient access to a passenger rail system within 25 years). This includes an immediate $50 billion investment as a down payment on this stronger commitment to transportation, and $30 billion for a National Infrastructure Bank.

Energy: A 12% increase, including a doubling of energy efficiency research, development, and deployment, increasing renewable energy investments by over 70% and continuing the vital investments in the national electricity grid.

Science and innovation: Doubles basic research at the National Science Foundation, the Department of Energy’s Office of Science, and the National Institute of Standards and Technologies, while maintaining funding for the National Institute of Health. The budget would also invest $15 billion in the national broadband network to boost speed and increase access.

<...>



<...>

The president, in a $3.7 trillion budget plan released yesterday in Washington, revived dozens of proposals that Congress has rejected, including $129 billion in higher taxes on the overseas profits of U.S. companies. He also proposed changing the tax treatment of oil, gas and coal companies, which would raise about $46 billion.

<...>

The proposal also would bring back pre-2001 tax rates on income and capital gains for individuals earning more than $200,000 annually and married couples making more than $250,000. The estate tax would return to 2009 levels with a $3.5 million per-person exemption and a 45 percent top rate. Under a law Obama signed in December, lower rates expire at the end of 2012.

<...>

The budget plan would limit itemized deductions for top earners to 28 percent, curbing the value of tax breaks for charitable contributions, home mortgage interest and state and local taxes. That proposal has been included in every budget of Obama’s presidency and was rejected as a revenue-raising provision to fund his overhaul of the health system last year.

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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-11 07:52 AM
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1. Too many liberals stayed home in 2010, plain and simple. Elections have CONSEQUENCES. So stop the
Edited on Tue Aug-09-11 07:53 AM by RBInMaine
childish bitching and WIN MORE ELECTIONS.
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primavera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-11 08:27 AM
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10. I'm not sure it's quite that plain and simple
The Tea Party caucus accounts for only 53 members in a House of 435 members, yet they have managed to completely highjack Congress. Numbers are only part of the picture - the tactics you use also play a big role.
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BackToThe60s Donating Member (266 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 01:21 AM
Response to Reply #10
54. Also, the level of Fanaticism
You should go to PV and check out Bill Maher's "Liberal Tea Party" vid.
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Dad Infinitum Donating Member (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-11 09:18 AM
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13. Independants do not like a weak president
Obama bending on tax cuts showed weakness. He made his own bed. Wake up and smell the tax cuts.
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shellgame26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-11 10:42 AM
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26. "Obama bending on tax cuts"
This statement just says everything about how much you actually understand. The tax cuts are set to expire in 2013. But that won't stop you from finding something else to complain about.

In a world where down is up and black is white and victories are reported as defeats you have got to be smarter than the average bear...
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Dad Infinitum Donating Member (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-11 06:15 PM
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39. The tax cuts WERE set to expire last December
Obama extended them. The past is prologue.

You can attack me personally all you want, but facts are facts.
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shellgame26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 07:29 PM
Response to Reply #39
48. You can leave out all the details
of that compromise all you want. You know damned well he did it to extend UI
You're only fooling yourself.
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Dad Infinitum Donating Member (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 12:05 AM
Response to Reply #48
53. The extortion details?
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JNinWB Donating Member (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 04:04 PM
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58. This comment makes no sense

...and lacks all context.

Trading an extension of jobless benefits for a 1 year extension of the Bush tax cuts was a worthwhile exchange.

Particularly for the unemployed.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-11 10:50 AM
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30. That is a BOGUS claim that you can NOT document.
The Liberal Democrats got re-elected.
The "Centrists" were thrown out,
and Harry Truman explains WHY:

"I've seen it happen time after time. When the Democratic candidate allows himself to be put on the defensive and starts apologizing for the New Deal and the Fair Deal, and says he really doesn't believe in them, he is sure to lose. The people don't want a phony Democrat. If it's a choice between a genuine Republican, and a Republican in Democratic clothing, the people will choose the genuine article, every time; that is, they will take a Republican before they will a phony Democrat, and I don't want any phony Democratic candidates in this campaign."

---President Harry Truman
QED:2010


Leadership! "The Buck Stops HERE!" NO Excuses!




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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-11 11:26 AM
Response to Reply #30
36. So - Grayson and Feingold were not liberals?
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 08:48 PM
Response to Reply #30
50. Truman blamed the republican congress for stalling his agenda
Calling them the "Do Nothing Congress".

What a hypocrite, not taking responsibility!
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-11 07:57 PM
Response to Reply #1
44. Please provide the facts for your endless bullshit assertion that liberals
'staying home' were the deciding factor in the mid term election.

And if you cannot back up your divisive bullshit, how about you stop propagating it at every opportunity?
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-11 07:54 AM
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2. He said "Don't give them the keys back." Well they did. So stop bitching and win more elections.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-11 09:11 AM
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12. with the kind of decisions Obama makes, voting turn out is irrelevant so give up your denial lol nt
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 07:36 PM
Response to Reply #12
49. Where are all the Dem politicians who think like you do? Where's the challenger? lollollol nt
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-11 07:55 AM
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3. Obama and his ponies
I've heard Obama talk about those fabulous liberal things plenty of times. And I've also heard him mock people when they believe he means it.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-11 07:57 AM
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4. When has me "mocked" people? Please, take a break from the hyperbolic nonsense.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-11 08:00 AM
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5. Robert Gibbs, with his parody of liberals
fools! They actually want single payer! ha ha ha!

And of course Rahm, about the liberal retards. ha ha ha!

And Obama himself, Huffington Post calls me a tool of Wall Street! Ridiculous, I know!!!! ha ha ha!
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-11 10:11 AM
Response to Reply #5
24. Please stop spreading ignorance.
Some of you keep deliberately misunderstanding those statements so you can keep complaining about SOMEthing. You just come off as silly for refusing to understand.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 06:08 PM
Response to Reply #24
63. What a rude, nasty and arrogant comment.
Just stunning. You should do a one grrl show.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-11 09:24 AM
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14. Excellent. Hit nails on heads....
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-11 09:32 AM
Response to Reply #14
18. Really?
This is "excellent"


Comment: Obama and his ponies...I've heard Obama talk about those fabulous liberal things plenty of times. And I've also heard him mock people when they believe he means it.

Response: When has me "mocked" people?

Follow-up comment: Robert Gibbs, with his parody of liberals fools! They actually want single payer! ha ha ha!

And of course Rahm, about the liberal retards. ha ha ha!

And Obama himself, Huffington Post calls me a tool of Wall Street! Ridiculous, I know!!!! ha ha ha!


Really? Where is the comment from Obama? People are upset because the President called out the Huffington Post?

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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-11 10:45 AM
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27. Okay I was wrong...His spinners mock liberals. Obama just disparages and scolds and dismisses them.
Edited on Tue Aug-09-11 10:46 AM by Armstead
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JNinWB Donating Member (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 04:07 PM
Response to Reply #27
59. And the evidence for this claim is.....where?
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swilton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-11 10:06 AM
Response to Reply #3
23. +++++
Obama came into office with a very thin resume - the left bought off on the marketing campaign.
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disillusioned73 Donating Member (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-11 08:03 AM
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6. The President and the word progressive....
should not be in the same sentence. I'll await his actions before condemning anything though.
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-11 10:50 AM
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29. +1000
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-11 08:09 AM
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7. Do you mean this agenda?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-11 08:17 AM
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8. Well,
that depends on the assessment.

At the heart of Paul Ryan’s plan for Medicaid is a tectonic shift in the federal government’s authority over the entitlement. In the Wisconsin Republican’s proposal to “block grant” the program, states would receive a fixed amount of federal money for Medicaid — and much greater leeway to change the program’s structure — rather than an uncapped, formula-based contribution with many strings attached. The Ryan plan, along with other more incremental GOP proposals, would fundamentally alter the federal government’s role in structuring, overseeing, and administering Medicaid, abdicating much of this authority to the states.

In the face of such challenges, the Obama administration is quietly taking steps to reassert and strengthen the federal government’s authority over Medicaid. A few weeks ago, the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services rolled out a proposal that could make it more difficult for states to cut rates for doctors, hospitals, and other providers in Medicaid—one of the many ways that cash-strapped statehouses are trying to save money.

<...>

Some state officials are already bristling at the proposal, saying the new requirements are onerous and needlessly intrude on state authority. “It’s just an enormous amount of work,” Washington state’s Medicaid director told American Medical News, arguing that the rules would spur more lawsuits over provider rates. But the Obama administration isn’t just standing up to states in asserting its role in overseeing Medicaid — it’s also trying to prevent private individuals from challenging the program.

<...>

Some progressive thinkers are worried that the White House’s position could strip away protections from Medicaid providers and beneficiaries — removing their ability “to ensure that states and the federal government are complying with the requirements of Medicaid,” Edwin Park, vice president of health policy at the left-leaning Center for Budget and Policy Priorities, told me. But in the larger debate over Medicaid’s future, many of the same critics have strongly defended the federal government’s role in overseeing the program, fending off challenges from states’ rights advocates. Such positions could undercut their case for being able to intervene as private individuals in Medicaid oversight.

<...>

The lawsuit could be a good thing, but the administration is trying to strengthen federal control over Medicaid and protect it from RW Governors and groups.



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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-11 08:22 AM
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9. In 2009-10 they did just that and with health care, he was ready to give up on it
until the House Democrats which had carried so much water for his agenda, pushed him into not giving up on health care reform.

sometimes when you post things, it's like you have no memory beyond 48 hours.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-11 08:31 AM
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11. Hmmmm?
"until the House Democrats which had carried so much water for his agenda, pushed him into not giving up on health care reform.

sometimes when you post things, it's like you have no memory beyond 48 hours."

When making condescending statements, it's best to be armed with facts.

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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-11 09:26 AM
Response to Reply #11
17. Please read that last sentence.....And heed thy own words
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-11 09:34 AM
Response to Reply #17
19. Please
stop posting one-line responses that make no sense!

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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-11 09:46 AM
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21. I will if you will
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-11 09:25 AM
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15. Bluedogs are Repubs with D's...they don't help shit---just make shit worse. n/t
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-11 10:04 AM
Response to Reply #15
22. you didn't even read my message --nobody here knows what on earth you're responding to
which makes it rather unconvincing.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 08:52 PM
Response to Reply #15
51. They vote for the democratic agenda most of the time and keep out republicans
in red leaning states. That's called helping.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-11 09:26 AM
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16. I agree as long as they're Moderate to liberal Dems. Cause Bluedogs are Repubs....
who sometimes vote Democrat.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-11 09:36 AM
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20. Yup, Obama gives good speech...
it's too bad his vision of governance isn't as "full-throated"
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-11 10:51 AM
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-11 07:54 PM
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42. They tried the same thing when Obama had the majority too.
Edited on Tue Aug-09-11 08:07 PM by Dr Fate
Did not work then, will not work now.
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Union Scribe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 06:10 AM
Response to Reply #32
55. Do you think you're posting on YouTube or something?
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-11 10:21 AM
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25. Budget -- Feb. , "full throated defense" Apr. -- Now: He has cut the legs out from those
By caving into the Teabag/GOP from the start, and pushing us into the arms of "deficit reduction and cuts with no revenues" Obama has basically cut the legs out from under his "bold progressive vision" and "full throated condemnations."

Now the best we c an do is scratch for crumbs.

Wanna know why people are angry at Obama? One day he says worthy things or makes proposals like the ones above, and the next he walks away from them and embraces the opposite by legitimatizing and pushing for GOP plans to make such things impossible.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-11 10:49 AM
Response to Reply #25
28. Hmmm?
"One day he says worthy things or makes proposals like the ones above"

Yeah, wouldn't it be great to have a Congress rushing to pass those "worthy things"?

Republicans control the House.



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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-11 11:13 AM
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34. Yet again you ,miss the point
Inconsistency. Obama will say or propose something really good one day....But the next day he too often contradicts himself in his words and/or deeds.

Yes, the GOP Congress is obstructionist. Duh.

But instead of pushing for things. he instantly gives in to the GOP and even legitimizes and supports them -- and forgets his previous lofty words and stated goals -- far too often.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-11 01:08 PM
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37. "Yes, the GOP Congress is obstructionist. Duh."
So pushing for things would make them less obstructionist?

The President pushes for a lot (see the OP). The one thing this President doesn't do is give up.

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Yes, he compromised to get less than he wanted, but a bill was passed. The bill included a provision that will allow states to set up a single payer system. The first state which does so will serve as a model and pave the way for a national single payer system down the road. Obama compromised in a way that provides a foundation for continued progress.

Compare that to Bill Clinton, who adopted Republican agenda items (like welfare reform and telecom consolidation) and pushed House Democrats to the right. Obama has continued to make strong arguments for progressive principles and keeps pushing for more even after being forced to compromise with Congress. That's the difference between Clinton's third-way politics and Obama's pragmatic progressivism.

<...>

He hasn't stopped pushing to eliminate tax cuts for the rich and loopholes for oil companies.

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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-11 05:25 PM
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38. Pushing for things would at least be exposing GOP bullshit
Edited on Tue Aug-09-11 05:27 PM by Armstead
And giving a strong counter message in the public.

It would also help if he didn't undermine his own words by his subsequent words and actions.

It would also help if his negotiations didn't always start at giving the GOP most of what they want, and agreeing with them. "Yes we need to cut those awful deficits NOW, even though the economy is tanking, and this is likely to make it worse."

Every time he starts with his "bi-partisan compromise" mantra, he is conceding the fight before it even begins.



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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-11 10:51 AM
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31. FALSE!!! The left is blameless, we hired Obama to carry the ball all be himself!!!
/sarcasm <-- Yes, that's needed around here these days
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-11 07:57 PM
Response to Reply #31
43. Besides, many on the left are out of work.They have nothing better to do.
They need to get out there and start carrying the ball or suffer the consequences. Obama has 3 freaking wars to run. why can't the left give him a break and do some of the work around here?
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-11 08:01 PM
Response to Reply #43
45. wtf? Keep the hate flowing.
Oh and perhaps Obama should not have three wars? He has repeatedly claimed that one of them is over, he volunteered us into the other one, and the third one, Afghanistan is a damn mess.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-11 08:06 PM
Response to Reply #45
46.  The point is the left needs to work harder for centrists.
We are never going to move to the left until after we move to the center for a few years.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-11 08:13 PM
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47. The center is a meaningless term. Everyone defines that for themselves.
I personally think the "center" is further to the left than many conservaDems define it as.

And it's a lot further to the left than the right wingnuts consider it to be.

It is actually a matter of policies and positions on actual issues...And most peopke have a mix of views on differing issues.

A generic center is an illusion.

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Union Scribe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 06:16 AM
Response to Reply #46
56. I'd like to think you're joking
because no one could possibly argue something that nonsensical.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-11 11:00 AM
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33. The plaease explain WHY...
...the White House and the Democratic Party Leadership
campaigned so hard FOR the Obstructionist "Blue Dog" Democrats in Democratic Primaries in 2010?

In the Arkansas Primary, The White House threw their full weight & funding behind virulently Anti-LABOR/Anti-Healthcare Blanche Lincoln,
when there was a perfectly good Pro-LABOR popular Democrat available who was polling better against the republican in the General.

Blanche Lincoln actually crowed about de-railing Obama's health care plan,
and Obama helps her win the Democratic Primary? :shrug:
He even sent The Old Dog back down to Arkansas to help save Lincoln's floundering campaign.

If he needs "Democrats" to help him,
why support those who don't in The Primaries? :shrug:

Arkansas is just one example of a pattern in 2010.





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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-11 11:19 AM
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35. K&R
:kick:
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JNinWB Donating Member (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-11 07:47 PM
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40. Thanks for providing supporting data
Too many comments are empty assertions devoid of evidence. Even when an allegation is refuted, it pops right back up again in a new thread.

For example: Obama really could have gotten the Public Option if only he had tried harder. People have forgotten the Snowe Queen.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-11 07:50 PM
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41. Just like before the midterms. Nt
Nt
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 08:58 PM
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52. You mean the Congress passed more democratic legislation than has happened in generations?
The ones who were basically only blocked by republicans in the Senate being in lock stop to create as much gridlock as possible, throwing power to right leaning democrats and Lieberman?

Yeah, they were awful. We're all so glad they're not in power anymore. Thank Jebus.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 03:54 PM
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57. Of course I remember all the great things the DEMS did when they has the majority. So did voters.
Edited on Thu Aug-11-11 04:11 PM by Dr Fate
Back when we had the majority, we did not have the votes- just like now.

I for one understand that we did not, do not, will not have the votes when it comes to all the crazy things the base wants.

I'm on your side-I understand that if we had won the majority, we would have done the same awesome, wildly popular things we did when we had the majority before. And if people did not like how we handled being the majority- we could still blame Joe or the minority party and just say: "We dont have the votes for that."

I dont think DEMS are "awful" just b/c they did not/do not/will not have the votes for weird liberal stuff, so I disagree.
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JNinWB Donating Member (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 04:15 PM
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60. I read this 3 times

and I still do not know what you are trying to say.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 04:27 PM
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61. Some people just dont "get" centrism.
Edited on Thu Aug-11-11 04:28 PM by Dr Fate
I am trying to say 2 things:

1. Centrist strategy is too working. This thread demonstrates it.

2. If we had let DEMS retain the majority- we would be getting the same great results we got before the midterms. As killbotfactory pointed out above- Obama's DEM congress passed more and better progressive & liberal legislation than any previous congress in history. Are you saying you have forgotten all of that?
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John Agar Donating Member (212 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 06:28 PM
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65. And there were many other turncoat Senate Dems.
Nelson, Baucus, Landrieu, Conrad... the list goes on.

And lest we forget, Stupak and his goons in the House.

It is THEY who failed US, not the other way around.
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Cognitive_Resonance Donating Member (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 05:56 PM
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62. This where the outrage should be focused. K&R
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John Agar Donating Member (212 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 06:25 PM
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64. Then it would have stalled in the Dem controlled Senate.
Where Dem House legislation went to die, if it got voted on at all.

One of the biggest mistakes in political history was the Dems' failure to pass a budget before the 2010 elections.

This was incompetence at best, malfeasance in fact.
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donna123 Donating Member (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 10:34 PM
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66. Ultimately, people must help themselves
Yes, people are angry and frustrated with govt, but ultimately, they are the ones who put these people in power, and I say they, cause it certainly wasn't me or people on this site that gave repubs enough power to fight everything Obama wants to do to move this country forward. They hate govt but they have created this situation, they have created gridlock by voting in repubs and teawingnuts or not voting at all so really, they should blame themselves. Obama is right to say he understands why people are frustrated, he is frustrated too, but I blame the people who blame govt. What if 9% or 8% unemployment becomes the norm? What is unemployment in other countries? Why is it that in the 50s, people could live comfortably on one income but now they cannot?
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