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Mon May-02-11 08:10 AM
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Three issues with what I heard on CNN regarding Bin Laden from supposed government insiders |
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1) Buried at sea within hours of being killed. No real opportunity for third part verification of the remains.
2) DNA testing underway but not really crucial as it is a "face the world will recognize". Is this a prep for the DNA test were inconclusive?
3) Strike teams orders were "kill do not capture". So we carried out a execution on Pakistani soil, that was the goal.
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Mon May-02-11 08:31 AM
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1. Yes. I don't understand why anyone would un-rec this....but, they did. |
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I am glad OBL is out of the picture however, I think the process will cause some difficulties down the road. I think the sea burial could have been delayed after the world became aware that nobody seemed to want the body. To just dispose of it so quickly, even though that abides with Islam, I foresee LOTS of questions. Time will tell. IMHO
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Mon May-02-11 08:36 AM
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2. I'm sure the unrec is due to the fact that I am not celebrating. |
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I don't know if it was Bin Laden that was killed, I hope it was, but the things I listed are concerning to me.
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Mon May-02-11 08:37 AM
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3. the only point to address.... why conclude no verification in the time they had the body? |
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would take no time at all to have plenty of people and film verify and document
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Mon May-02-11 08:40 AM
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Of these three issues this one is the least concerning. If they did want to be respectful of Islamic tradition that isn't a bad thing. I think it may have been wiser to hold the remains until verifiable proof could be obtained.
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Mon May-02-11 08:46 AM
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5. i think it was the only issue with challenge. dna will come back. no reason |
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to put out conspiracy when no evidence.
and assasination. ok. so.... i think the right decision
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Mon May-02-11 08:50 AM
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6. The message that DNA testing wasn't really crucial |
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just really struck me as odd. Why would anyone connected with the government say something like that? And while I don't disagree that assassination was probably the right choice I find it off-putting that there was apparently not even supposed to be any attempt made to take him alive.
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Mon May-02-11 08:59 AM
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9. because they are damn certain, but are doing for people that question. they have video |
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of assault. stuff they have gathered there. the body. visual. probably not a big deal in proof to them. probably awfully certain. adn doing it for the people that say.... not him
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Mon May-02-11 09:02 AM
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11. You make a good point in that there will be some who say it isn't |
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him regardless of the proof, DNA or otherwise. Making statements like DNA testing isn't crucial may feed into that, but DNA evidence wouldn't shut it down.
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Mon May-02-11 08:51 AM
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7. And the issue that won't be mentioned... an innocent woman was killed. |
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Of no concern. Isn't that interesting?
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Mon May-02-11 08:54 AM
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8. Not sure what to make of the woman that was being used as a shield. |
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If she was there against her will it certainly is a horrible addition to the situation. If she was there of her own free-will it is still sad but part of the consequences of associating with know terrorists.
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Mon May-02-11 09:10 AM
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12. After all the uproar this weekend about the supposed killing of Khaddufous's son.... |
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Edited on Mon May-02-11 09:11 AM by bobbolink
Don't you think the silence on this is a bit two-faced?
Different values on different lives, according to our reading of events
Interesting.
and... just out of idle curiosity... do many people volunteer to be human shields?
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Mon May-02-11 09:16 AM
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13. Just because they may have been putting her between themselves |
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and the strike team doesn't mean she wasn't at the compound with them voluntarily.
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Mon May-02-11 09:38 AM
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17. Great. Quite the compassionate answer. Not that I expect anything different. |
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Mon May-02-11 09:45 AM
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Not sure why the snark. I am saddened by this whole situation concerning the woman. If it is true that the orders were "kill do not capture" then unintended casualties were unavoidable. My thoughts about the woman killed are if she was a prisoner it is much worse that she was killed than if she was there by her own choice and was used as shield. If she knowingly AND WILLINGLY was there with them, serious injury or death was always a possibility. I have more compassion for the innocent, civilians killed by unmanned drones for instance, than for those who place themselves knowingly in a situation like this. If you associate with bad people you may end up suffering the same fate as they do.
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Mon May-02-11 10:02 AM
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24. I remember a few going to Bosnia in the 1990s to volunteer as human shields |
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Edited on Mon May-02-11 10:02 AM by PVnRT
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Mon May-02-11 10:05 AM
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27. Not at all related to what I was talking about. But, no surprise, is it? |
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Mon May-02-11 10:09 AM
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28. "just out of idle curiosity... do many people volunteer to be human shields?" |
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Mon May-02-11 10:11 AM
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30. Ah, good job of cherry-picking. I was pointing out the hypocrisy of caring about |
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"the innocents".... except when it is something that is popular.
Then the life of an innocent is ignored.
Quite... convenient.
Not that many of us expect anything different.
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Mon May-02-11 03:06 PM
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37. If this is true I have little sympathy for her. |
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"She served as a shield -- this is my understanding -- when she fought back -- when there was an opportunity to get to bin Laden -- she was positioned in a way that she was used as a shield. My understanding was she was one of bin laden's wives," Brennan told reporters..
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Mon May-02-11 10:12 AM
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31. What makes you say she was innocent? |
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Do you have insider knowledge of her activities?
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Mon May-02-11 10:13 AM
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32. Do you have proof of G's assertions? |
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Mon May-02-11 09:02 AM
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10. I heard all those things from CNN too. The first 2 don't make sense. |
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Mon May-02-11 09:22 AM
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If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck, It is probably:
a) a cat b) a dog c) a duck
If it looks like bullshit, squishes like bullshit, and smells like bullshit, It is probably:
a) the truth b) bullshit c) Our government wouldn't lie to us, and besides, shut up
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Mon May-02-11 09:33 AM
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15. Well I think I am getting the message that the answer to the second question is C |
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Mon May-02-11 09:37 AM
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16. That's pretty much the message |
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Mon May-02-11 09:57 AM
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Thank you for proving my point. I really appreciate it.
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Mon May-02-11 09:59 AM
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Mon May-02-11 10:02 AM
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25. What point did I prove for you? |
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Mon May-02-11 09:59 AM
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20. Kick their asses and steal the gas! |
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Mon May-02-11 10:01 AM
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23. They could not take him alive |
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OBL is under indictment No Gitmo for him, n=only the federal lockup in Manhattan. Giant pain in the ass. So he had to be killed.
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Mon May-02-11 10:04 AM
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26. Ah, bullshit. HOw many 6 foot 7 inch dialysis patients his age are |
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Edited on Mon May-02-11 10:05 AM by cliffordu
wandering around the PLANET let alone that part of the world.
I would bet they have what the cops get at any death scene - blood, hair, fingerprints, maybe even dental imprints.
And they probably already had fingerprints on file.......
Just saying....
If they are lying about anything it's getting rid of the body.
I'll bet they are making Cheney eat the brains right now.....
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Mon May-02-11 10:10 AM
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29. You are probably correct on all points. |
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But to make the statements that were made, if true, just seem to lend credence to the idea that this was all for show. Really my biggest concern is the issue of state-sponsored execution if they were not to give him a chance to surrender or were given orders to shot to kill only, not to incapacitate for capture. I personally don't think that is a good road to go down, and to admit it in the press is crazy.
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Mon May-02-11 10:22 AM
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34. He was a mass murderer by his own admittance and had stated on |
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multiple occasions that he wanted to kill more Americans.
People have this insane, naive idea that like in the movies you can burst into a room and say "get 'em up, bad feller!!" and
the bad guy will come along peacefully. Just hopelessly naive.
It was known in the Tora Bora days that Bin Laden travelled with a little dude who's job it was to kill him if it looked like he was going to be captured.
Maybe that's who did the deed.
But yelling 'Get 'em up" at a man that had spent a decade killing Russians and then led the forming, planning and executing of Al Qaeda operations worldwide is just silly.
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Mon May-02-11 10:25 AM
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36. I don't disagree with you. |
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I do have any issue with a mission like this being "kill, do not capture" which is what I heard on CNN. If it isn't true and the mission was "capture if possible, kill if not" I am ok with it.
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Mon May-02-11 10:23 AM
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I don't think you'd have to force that zombie to eat brains, or children or kick puppies, either, for that matter.
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Mon May-02-11 10:19 AM
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33. I think the burial was a good choice |
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in keeping with islamic practice of treating the body (I think), and then you also don't have some physical location to become a pilgrimage sight. Closing the chapter carefully - well done so far.
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Mon May-02-11 03:09 PM
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38. Seeing as how today's news services rush like hell to be the first to say a word about an event |
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it's no surprise at all the the real truth evolves with time.
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