The governments code name for Osama bin Laden was "Geronimo"!! What an insult to Native-Americans!

[Better Believe It]

The military compared Osama to the great Native-American resistance leader Geronimo.

That's just wonderful.

What an insult to Native-Americans and all those who resisted the occupation of their lands in the west.

Geronimo's band was one of the last major forces of independent Native American warriors who refused to acknowledge the United States occupation of the American West. BBI

Chuck Todd Twitter
How did special forces relay the news to commanders that OBL was dead? Code name was "Geronimo"; call came in as "Geronimo is KIA"
http://twitter.com/#!/chucktodd/status/65024299601367040

[Taverner]

1. Skull and Bones tie in no doubt

[Better Believe It]

5. I doubt that. It just demonstrates how ignorant of American history those who choose that name are.

And how racist they are.

[virgogal]

Give it a rest.

[pipi_k]

18. Please stop....

Really.

It. Has. Nothing. To. Do. With. Racism.


It's a nickname given to highlight how elusive OBL has been. Read a few books on the man (Geronimo).

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[bluestate10]

62. You are grossly wrong. nt

[SpartanDem]

71. Yea I'm sure they personally pick out that name

to shit on Native Americans

[nadinbrzezinski]

74. Code names are generated by computers

really...

[KoKo]

83. Remember Geronomo's Skull that the Fraternity Bush belonged to at Yale had stolen?

It is indeed an odd name that was picked considering Bush family has long ties with Bin Laden Family and to use the name Geronimo is the kind of trick the Bushies loved to do with NickNames.

[KoKo]

84. Geronimo's descendants have sued Skull and Bones to turn over remains

Relatives of legendary Apache want secret Yale group to turn over remains

AFP - Getty Images file
Geronimo, a Chiricahua Apache, in 1887 in an image from the National Archives. On Wednesday, the 100th anniversary of the legendary warrior's death, his descendants filed suit, claimig a secret society at Yale stole his remains and demanding they be turned over to the family.
The Associated Press

HARTFORD, Connecticut — Geronimo's descendants have sued Skull and Bones — the secret society at Yale University linked to presidents and other powerful figures — claiming that its members stole the remains of the legendary Apache leader decades ago and have kept them ever since.

The federal lawsuit filed in Washington on Tuesday — the 100th anniversary of Geronimo's death — also names the university and the federal government.

Geronimo's great-grandson Harlyn Geronimo said his family believes Skull and Bones members took some of the remains in 1918 from a burial plot in Fort Sill, Okla., to keep in its New Haven clubhouse, a crypt. The alleged graverobbing is a longstanding legend that gained some validity in recent years with the discovery of a letter from a club member that described the theft.

"I believe strongly from my heart that his spirit was never released," Harlyn Geronimo said.

Bushes, Kerry are members
Both presidents George W. Bush and his father, George H. W. Bush, Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry and many other men in powerful government and industry positions are members of the society, which is not affiliated with the university.

After years of famously fighting the U.S. and Mexican armies, Geronimo and 35 warriors surrendered to Gen. Nelson A. Miles near the Arizona-New Mexico border in 1886. Geronimo was eventually sent to Fort Sill and died at the Army outpost of pneumonia in 1909.

According to lore, members of Skull and Bones — including former President George W. Bush's grandfather, Prescott Bush — dug up his grave when a group of Army volunteers from Yale was stationed at the fort during World War I, taking his skull and some of his bones.

[Rage for Order]

2. Really? This is what you're outraged about?

Would you rather his codename have been 'Steve' instead?

[Freddie Stubbs]

4. Some people just like to be outraged

[Auntie Bush]

39. Some people are ALWAYS outraged and always will be...it's their nature!

[Pisces]

6. some people have to find outrage in everything. It is how they live

[Better Believe It]

10. Would you have preferred M.L. King as a code name? That would be just as appropriate.

[LiberalAndProud]

43. No it wouldn't.

Please stop, BBI. It's simply too transparent.

[Fla_Democrat]

34. lets call it steve

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amwaFNZYUUY


Although.. I really wouldn't want to do that to Ozzy again.





:smoke:

[smirkymonkey]

52. I think "Falafel" would have been more appropriate.

Wait, does that make me racist?

[Autumn]

91. Yes I would rather have had his code name

been 'Steve' instead. I knew a Steve and he was a real SOB. Personally I see no outrage, its a message board where people post their opinions and thoughts. Nothing to be outraged over.

[Scurrilous]

3. ROFL

To quote Barney Frank, "that’s just sad."

[WilliamPitt]

7. Outragapallooza

[Solomon]

41. LOL We might as well start enjoying the ride.

It's gonna snowball from here on until he settles it by winning a second term. Then after a short pause to re-coup, we'll be off to the races again until he finishes out. LOL

You win for the term "Outragapallooza". But just to get on your nerve, I wonder whether the "e" should stay in there as in "Outrageapallooza"?

:rofl:


I get the sense that Obama is on a roll and will start winning some things. The better he does, the more creative the outrages have to be. Might as well enjoy the ride.

[madinmaryland]

85. Actually, I think it is called a "Poutragapallooza"

:shrug:

[Siwsan]

8. His real name was Goyathlay

Geronimo was his 'mission' name. I know it doesn't negate the insult.

[pipi_k]

9. Maybe not

I read a biography on Geronimo a few months ago, and it seems that his ability to appear and disappear (mostly disappear, though) was a great frustration to the US government agents who were trying to capture him.

It was said by many that he could blend in with the surroundings. Hide in plain sight.

Which was what OBL apparently was able to do all these ten years.


So it may not be quite the insult people would like it to be.

[alcibiades_mystery]

11. Making more friends, BBI?

:rofl:

A timely and savvy observation.

:rofl:

[deaniac21]

12. I'll bet that is what the seals yelled when they jumped out of the helicopters.

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[cottonseed]

14. They're special forces dude. Not cultural sensitivy teachers. Please excuse me...

while I punch myself in the face a few times...

[Better Believe It]

19. So the military commanders in charge of special forces are stupid and racists? But, that's OK?

If they are taught little or absolutely nothing by their commanders about America and our real history they can't be defending democratic values and freedoms.

Do you think special forces warriors are simply trained as killing machines who follow any orders given by commanders, even those that might violate our constitution and human rights?

[cottonseed]

20. I just don't think they're worried about what weenies like you think about their codenames.

Also, I don't even think that you care. It's just another position for you to take. That's basically what I'm saying.

[Better Believe It]

24. So you also wouldn't have a problem with them using the codename "Mandela" or M.L.King" for Osama?

[cottonseed]

25. No, actually I wouldn't. This is special forces dealing with a mission of national importance.

I just post on the internet and water a few tomato plants. If I were to have a problem with something. This would not be it.

[Freddie Stubbs]

95. Mandela and MLK were not military leaders. Geronimo was

[Recursion]

78. Codenames are randomly generated and assigned by computers

So as to obfuscate their relative importance (this was a problem with "Operation Overlord", whose name justifiably concerned the Germans).

[Throd]

54. Punch me in the balls while you're at it.

[quinnox]

15. this is quite a stretch

I'm sorry but this is kinda ridiculous to be angry about.

[Bobbie Jo]

16. Really?

:wtf:

How long did it take you to scrape for that one?

FAIL

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[REP]

17. I'm CONCERNED!

[Bucky]

22. It's not random. One holdover from the army's 19th century heritage

....is referring to territory held by hostile forces as "Indian country." And of course bin Laden was always the biggest "chief" in Indian country, so the code name makes perfect sense.

[cherokeeprogressive]

23. This Native-American wonders why anyone would give a shit. n/t

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[seabeyond]

30. wow. now you are going to lecture our only native american tht has yet to voice opinion?

wow

[cherokeeprogressive]

36. Yawn...

I doubt there are many here who "supported" the genocidal actions of the United States Government with regard to Native-Americans. That happened some years ago.

Geronimo? Yawn. Now, had they used Se-quo-ya as a code name, I'd be fuckin' pissed.

What if they had simply used the codename "King"? Would you have made the leap to "Martin Luther King Jr." and be freaking out right now as well?

My Goodness Gracious BBI, find something else to be outraged about. I heard there was a woman breastfeeding a pitbull while smoking a cigar at my local Olive Garden today. Get mad about that.

P.S. please understand that the absence of a sarcasm thingy in the second paragraph doesn't mean it's how I really feel.

Now excuse me while I go down to the local Little League field and scream protests at the Braves, the Chiefs, and the Indians. Who the hell are they, using Native-American names? People today... I tell ya.

[Rowdyboy]

40. My favorite post of the day, and I've read a hell of a lot

:toast:

[SadPanda]

60. Love the response.. but I was wondering... as an Indians fan.....

Do Native Americans actually care about that stuff? From a young age I remember CHEERING WILDLY for Chief Wahoo. I'm from that area of course. And from a young age I remember understanding that Native Americans don't look like that. It was just a sports mascot.

[cherokeeprogressive]

86. All I can say is that I have relatives on the reservation to this very day, and none of them are

involved in protesting Native-American related names or images as sporting mascots.

[REP]

47. You tell that Native American how he should think and feel, oh wise white one!

[SadPanda]

59. Random internet person accuses random Native American of "selling out" to white culture...

Are you proud now?

[bluestate10]

64. WOW! That wasn't racist. You literally told the poster that they have

to live indian culture to live among others. How insanely insensitive and honestly, racist.

[dionysus]

26. ah, you're actually serious. i am not surprised.

:rofl:

[Xithras]

28. Yes, and the CIA called him "Elvis"

Seriously, you can look it up yourself. The name was a reference to the thousands of alleged sightings of him, in nearly every corner of the world, that poured in over the past decade.

I don't think they intended it as an insult to Elvis. Or Geronimo. It's just a codename.

[DevonRex]

29. *snort*

[midnight]

31. I agree. It's an intended slight against an Apache Medicine man

who would not give away his rights to the American govt. and would die as a political prisoner...

[Obamanaut]

99. A man who had a real name, and

Geronimo wasn't it.

[tammywammy]

32. ...

[seabeyond]

35. i like that one. nt

[cherokeeprogressive]

38. LOL!

That look made the Deputy shake in his boots!

[spanone]

37. perhaps in honor of geronimo.

[CBGLuthier]

42. I can not decide whether you are a caricature or a cliche

But either way you are a million laughs so keep em coming.

[Bobbie Jo]

115. Bingo.

[APACHE]

44. osama bin laden

Its strange how after osama was killed and the news got out
everyone started celebrating. isnt that what the al queda
supporters do when americans are killed too? yes the world may
be a slightly better place without this individual but what
gets to me is what prompted the millitary to use
"GERONIMO" as a code name for osama? i'm sure there
has to be some relation as to why they used this name for him.
i have read what everyone said here and wonder.... even the
one native who appears to be a cherokee spoke his peace and it
seems he doesnt care about the code name. unless of course
they used the name referring to an individual of their tribe.
sarcastic? well it might have been presented that way but even
taking into account all that is written here, why that code
name? i am Apache and will always be Apache. full blooded and
yes i do speak my language, live on a reservation and live my
life as close to the way our ancestors did and work hard
everyday to live my life that way in today's world. so what is
the relation to prompt the code name? was Geronimo thought of
that badly too? i'm pretty sure he was. but i will always
remember one of his most famous quotes, "I NEVER DID
WRONG WITHOUT A CAUSE". yes there are those who say
that's not what is written in history but who wrote those
history books? we as Apaches carry our entire lives with us
wherever we go. how many of you understand what i just said?
we as Apaches were glued to the tv's on 9-11. we sat with
disbelief just as everyone else did. shock, numbness,
confusion, sadness, anger.... all those feelings were present
with us too. so if we stood alongside every american that
fateful day, feeling all the same things that most felt, why
would the u.s. govt. use the code name GERONIMO for such an
individual who caused so much death, destruction and despair?
i know my true history and it is a hard one. but it does give
me one thing that means alot to me.... an identity. the world
can do without people like osama bin laden but it can also do
without many of the other things that have tranpired to make
this great country of "ours". i always hear the
phrase, "if you don't like it then you can go back to
your country". what do you say to natives of this land?
my prayers are for those who lost family, friends on that day
when the entire world was introduced to osama bin laden. they
are the ones who know the true relief of one less man on this
earth. 

[TorchTheWitch]

68. ever consider the name just came out of a computer randomly?

That's how they choose code names for missions you know... why should it be otherwise for people? They do it that way for a reason... to make it impossible to be able to figure out who or what the code name represents. After all, what is the point to having a code name if it can be figured out who or what it represents?

Even in the event that the code name was deliberately chosen, wouldn't it be far more likely that it was chosen because Geronimo (which is not even his real name) and Osama have in common the ability to hide so well and for so long provoking much frustration and embarrassment of the government? Would that not be a sort of compliment to "Geronimo" that he had such a skill that made him able to elude and frustrate and embarrass the government for so long? Makes a hell of a lot more sense than believing the government is so racist against Native Americans and has such a long standing grudge against "Geronimo" that they'd deliberately chose that code name for that reason.

Still, the most likely scenario is that "Geronimo" just happened to be the name the code name computer spit out, and it was just luck of the draw that it didn't turn out to be Tinkerbell or Santa Claus.

[Better Believe It]

104. Of course. That's what happened. And we should also believe in the tooth fairy.

[ncrainbowgrrl]

81. Welcome to DU!

Great to have that view expressed, thanks for the food for thought

[cherokeeprogressive]

92. Welcome to DU my Indian Friend.

I noticed your reference to me and thought I'd drop by and pay my respects...

I can assure you that my moniker is wholly representative of who I am. While I might not be full-blood as you are, I do carry a CDIB, vote in Cherokee Nation tribal elections, and am very much in touch with my family and familiar with my ancestors and the "Trail of Tears" that is so much a part of my heritage. My Grandfather was born on the res in Tahlequah, OK and after leaving served his country proudly and with distinction in WWII.

I'm sorry if you are offended by my belief that the "code name" issued to Osama Bin Hidin' is a non-issue. You are right; my response to the white man who felt outrage in my name was sarcastic. I respect your opinion. Personally though, I cannot get excited about this issue.

I might agree with some that the code-name issued to Osama Bin Hidin' was out of respect for the way he eluded the American government as did Geronimo.

Peace.

[AsahinaKimi]

109. Welcome to DU!

DU e Yokoso!^^

[Texasgal]

45. Oh GOOD GOD!

This place has gone off the fucking deep end.

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[ChoralScholar]

48. And if it had been blblttbltbtt... it would have been an insult to labio-lingual noises....

[pipi_k]

73. I think "Mr. Mxyzptlk" is an appropriate nickname for a terrorist...n/t

[Shiver]

87. Insult to iconic 5th dimensional comic book imps.

WHY MUST YOU BE SO INSENSITIVE!!!!1 :cry:

[ChoralScholar]

113. Good call.

You know - Geronimo could be construed as an insult to people who jump out of/off of things.

[Obamanaut]

49. Inasmuch as the name is of Italian and Greek origin, and is a popular

name for boys, why would Native Americans really care?

Link to baby names http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/1/Geronimo

[fishwax]

51. it's a popular name for boys?

No it's not :shrug:

[Obamanaut]

98. You're right, I misread the info at the link. Do you also take exception

to the name not even being the actual name of the dead guy that has the OP so outraged?

From the link "Geronimo is not a popular first name for men but a very popular surname or last name for all people (#20238 out of 88799). (1990 U.S. Census)"

[fishwax]

100. I'm not sure what you mean

"Do you also take exception / to the name not even being the actual name of the dead guy that has the OP so outraged?"

Are you asking if I take exception to the fact that Geronimo isn't better known as Goyaale? If that's the question, the answer is: not particularly. :hi:

[Obamanaut]

102. This is all false outrage. The dead warrior had a real, actual name that

he was known by among his peers. Geronimo was not it. That is why I think the outrage is not justified.

[fishwax]

103. actually, he *was* known by the name Geronimo among his peers

It was not his given name, but it was a name that was attached to him in battle, and so had a particular importance among other Apaches, and is the name that he was known by among his opponents in battle as well as the general public.

[geardaddy]

122. Interesting.

It says it's also related to Hieronymus.

[MilesColtrane]

50. No, it's an insult to Dominicans!

Harrumph!!

[fishwax]

53. yeah -- that's a bad name. I'm guessing it dates to the w administration

W's granddad (so the story goes) was one of a group of soldiers who stole Geronimo's bones (skull, specifically) while at Ft. Sill, Oklahoma.

[cherokeeprogressive]

93. So. Correct me if I'm wrong here.

You're saying that President Obama directed Leon Panetta to get this fucker post haste, but the code name for this particular operation comes from the previous administration?

Derangement syndrome if I've ever seen it.

[fishwax]

96. huh?

what are you talking about?

If this is a code name for Osama, I figured it might have been in place for a while. That's deranged? :shrug:

Now there seems to be some ambiguity, as other sources are saying it was the code name for the operation, rather than the code name for OBL. If it's the code name for the operation, then obviously it didn't come from the last administration.

Either way, I don't see anything remotely implying derangement in my post. :)

[robcon]

55. Somebody has awfully thin skin, IMO.

That's not an insult at all.

[LostInAnomie]

56. Zzzzzzz.....

I hoping eventually the whiners will run out of straws to grasp.

[SadPanda]

57. Obama's Secret Service code name is Renegade

It's just a codename. Keep in mind, the term "Geronimo" also means to jump into something you do not understand. Hence, someone yelling "Geronimo" as they jump out of a plane or into a long dive. I know I have done it many times in my life. And while I'm thinking about it, didn't we give Geronimo the name Geronimo? Wasn't he called something else by his own people? Maybe I'm wrong there.

[Shiver]

89. The Mexicans, actually.

From Wikipedia

It was the Mexicans who named him Geronimo. This appellation stemmed from a battle in which, ignoring a deadly hail of bullets, he repeatedly attacked Mexican soldiers with a knife, causing them to utter appeals to Saint Jerome ("Jeronimo!"). The name stuck.<2>

His name at birth was 'Goyahkla'.

[Zynx]

58. Oh Lord.

[kenny blankenship]

61. And they built a full scale model of the OBL compound to train in!

In the middle of a historic housing glut! I don't suppose any homeless people were invited to stay there either. Thanks a lot President Obama. Thanks a lot.

[SpartanDem]

63. nm

[tritsofme]

65. Could I possibly care less?

No.

[Teaser]

66. OMFG OBAMA IS A RACIST!!!!!!!!!!!

.

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[Starbucks Anarchist]

69. Slow day at the complaint desk, huh?

[hulka38]

70. That's pretty sad. n/t

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[denbot]

75. I'm Chiricahua Apache, and from the same Clan as Goyathlay (Geronimo).

Code naming Osama was hugely insulting. "Geronimo" fought face to face both the Mexican, and U.S. armies from 1858 to 1886. Osama sent others to attack in his place then hid for nine years.

Geronimo was a warrior, medicine man, and one of the last and greatest American Indian Chiefs.

Ah-Ho!!!

[bobbolink]

76. Amen. Thank you for expressing it so eloquently.

:yourock:

[pinboy3niner]

77. Geronimo was the code name for the OPERATION, not for Bin Laden

The first indication for President Obama that Osama bin Laden had been killed came when a Navy SEAL sent back the coded message to Washington that said simply, "Geronimo-E KIA."

Geronimo was the code name for the operation that sent two teams of 12 SEALS zooming by Blackhawk helicopters to a walled compound in Abbotabad, Pakistan, on Sunday to kill or capture the most wanted man in the world. Anxious White House officials weren't positive that they would find bin Laden in the fortress-like complex, that he might leave while the SEALS were en route.

The first encouraging word came at the beginning of the raid when the SEALS recognized the man who had eluded a U.S. manhunt for a decade. They sent back the message, "Geronimo."

After a 40-minute search of the compound, punctuated by firefights, bin Laden was dead, and the cryptic "Geronimo-E KIA" code sent relief through the White House. E stood for enemy and KIA for killed in action.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/osama-bin-laden-operation-code-geronimo/story?id=13507836

Operation Geronimo was the code name of a military operation by United States that resulted in the death of Osama bin Laden on May 2, 2011, around 01:00 Pakistan Standard Time (May 1, 20:00 UTC, 15:00 EST/12:00 PST), in a raid by United States special forces troops on his residence in Pakistan. His death was officially announced by U.S. President Barack Obama on May 2 at 3:35 UTC.

[bobbolink]

79. Yes, and it is INSENSITIVE.

[dionysus]

88. what a crock.

[Obamanaut]

101. How is it insensitive? It was not the dead warrior's real, actual name.

And it is not an uncommon surname. Is it insensitive to all those whose actual name it is? Is there a name that would meet with your approval that might be considered insensitive by someone else?

[denbot]

82. That's different..

Never mind..

(in case your puzzled see my post a little up thread)

[pinboy3niner]

94. In my Army unit, WE were the "Geronimos"

Derived from the old paratrooper's cry of "Geronimo!" It was the motto of the Army's 501st Parachute Infantry Regiment, whose patch featured a profile of the Chiricahua warrior with a lightning bolt, and whose crest is a stylized thunderbird:




The story of the origin of the paratrooper's cry is detailed here, along with an explanation of how it became incorporated officially in the unilt's motto and insignia:

Over the next few years of wartime expansion, that platoon grew into battalions, then regiments, then finally five Airborne Divisions with numerous separate battalions. The practice of yelling, "Geronimo" grew in proportion to the surging US Army Airborne effort. More units formed and they quickly picked up the yell but the great chief's name would not only be shouted, it would be worn on the caps, lapels and shirt pockets of many of those brave men. As new units, they were free to design their own insignias and pocket patches. The Army's first parachute battalion, the 501st Parachute Infantry Battalion (PIB), would incorporate the great chief's name into their unit insignia in 1941. Major William Miley, the 501st commander, gave the Geronimo tradition an important endorsement by choosing "Geronimo" as the motto on the 501st PIB unit insignia, a device worn on the dress uniform of every soldier in the unit. Maj. Miley even had sergeant major locate relatives of the real chief Geronimo to ask their permission for use of the chief's name in the unit insignia. He located them with the help of the Bureau of Indian Affairs and they granted permission with pride.


Of the dozens of Airborne regiments and battalions that formed during WWII, two incorporated Geronimo into their pocket patches. Pocket patches were worn on the right chest pocket. When the 501st PIB was redesignated as the 501st PIR in 1942, it adopted a pocket patch with an Apache chief holding a bolt of lightning over the word, "Geronimo". Also, the 509th PIR used the word, "Geronimo" on its pocket patch. A few years into the war, the Paramount B western origin of the Geronimo yell was probably all but forgotten, but the "Geronimo" yells and the Indian theme still loomed large over the US Army Airborne. This was seen in the 101st Airborne Division soldiers with war paint and Mohawk haircuts on the eve of the D-Day invasion, and still heard as paratroopers exited C-47 planes over Fort Benning, Fort Bragg and staging areas in England. Geronimo would also be sung, when Lieutenant Colonel Byron Paige of the 11th Airborne Division wrote one of the classic WWII paratrooper songs, Down From Heaven to celebrate the relationship of paratroopers to the Geronimo cry. (The number eleven comes from the number of paratroopers in a plane.)

http://www.b-westerns.com/geronimo.htm

As for Roseanne Roseannadanna, I think yoiu mean Emily Litella:




:hi:

[denbot]

106. Geronimo started with the Apache/Mexican wars..

During Native American attacks on Mexican Soldiers, some of the defenders would yell the mexican name for Goyathlay; "Geronimo"! It was a panic reaction to the most feared Indian leader. Geronimo was a medicine man, who's young wife and child were killed by an attack on an apache camp launch while the men were away. The mexican army paid a very heavy price for their cowardice.

[bobbolink]

114. I hear you, and wish that others would. But the atmosphere here has deterirotated to

nothing that I recognize as the Democratic party, let alone "liberal" or "progressive" values.

I'm sorry. :(

[Better Believe It]

105. My first thought when seeing this on the TV was: Holy crap, what fucking idiot decided on that?

My spouses reaction was the same.


They could have picked something more fitting and not racist such as Cockroach, A-Hole or a hundred other names.

But Noooooooooo. They picked Geronimo and now we can read some really non-political, lame and silly justifications for using that code name for Osama.

[Recursion]

80. 17th-century Italian non-Euclidian geometers everywhere are insulted

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheat-sheet/item/seals-sieze-mother-lode-of-intelligence/new-details/

Euclid's 5th postulate now rears its ugly head again and wreaks havoc on axiomatic systems everywhere.

[Renew Deal]

90. Bush always had a way to royally screw things up.

[SoCalDem]

97. better choice Bada-Bing

alliterative to the location, catchy, and confusing if intercepted:)

[AsahinaKimi]

107. self delete

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[SidDithers]

110. Unrec...

SSDD

:rofl:

Sid

[Chris_Texas]

111. No.

Because no.

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[Better Believe It]

116. Native American leaders blast "Geronimo" codename for Osama Bin Laden

Like I was saying .... BBI

Onondaga Nation leaders blast 'Geronimo' codename for Bin Laden
By Charles McChesney / The Post-Standard The Post-Standard
May 4, 2011

Onondaga Nation Territory -- Leaders of the Onondaga Nation blasted as “reprehensible” the code name used for Osama bin Laden in the commando assault that killed him: “Geronimo.”

“Think of the outcry if they had used any other ethnic group’s hero,” the Onondaga Council of Chiefs said in a release Tuesday. “Geronimo bravely and heroically defended his homeland and his people, eventually surrendering and living out the rest of his days peacefully, if in captivity.”

“Geronimo is arguably the most recognized Native American name in the world,” the chiefs said, “and this comparison only serves to perpetuate negative stereotypes about our people.”

“It’s typical,” said Onondaga Tadodaho Sid Hill, the nation's spiritual leader. He said Geronimo was a hero to American Indians and it was incomprehensible that “they use him to identify a man like Osama Bin Laden.” “Why would that be honorable to us?” he asked.

Read the full article at:

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2011/05/onondaga_nation_leaders_blast.html


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Bin Laden Code-name “Geronimo” Is a Bomb in Indian Country
By Lise Balk King
Lise Balk King serves as a Senior Editor, US Domestic Policy, for the Harvard Kennedy School Review. Before attending Harvard, Lise co-owned and operated The Native Voice, an independent national Native American newspaper.
May 3, 2011

As news of bin Laden’s death spread relief across America and the world, revelations that the assigned code name of Enemy Number One was “Geronimo,” a legendary Apache leader, caused shock waves in Indian communities across the country. It is being interpreted as a slap in the face of Native people, a disturbing message that equates an iconic symbol of Native American pride with the most hated evildoer since Adolf Hitler.

The death of bin Laden is arguably the most important news story of the year, and embedded within it is a message that an Indian warrior, a symbol of Native American survival in the face of racial annihilation, is associated with modern terrorism and the attacks on 9/11.

The “bin Laden is dead” news story will make thousands of impressions on the minds of people around the globe, and the name Geronimo will now be irrevocably linked with the world’s most reviled terrorist.

Potentially the most disturbing fact is what this says to American Indian children. It equates being Native American with being hated, an enemy to the world, and someone to be hunted down and killed, and re-casts one of their heroes into a villainous role.

Please read the full article at:

http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/ict_sbc/bin-laden-code-name-%E2%80%9Cgeronimo%E2%80%9D-is-a-bomb-in-indian-country/


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Code name for bin Laden operation offends American Indians
BY MATTHEW DALY
Associated Press
May 4, 2011

WASHINGTON -- The top staffer for the Senate Indian Affairs Committee is objecting to the U.S. military's use of the code name "Geronimo" for Osama bin Laden during the raid that killed the al-Qaida leader.

Geronimo was an Apache leader in the 19th century who spent many years fighting the Mexican and U.S. armies until his surrender in 1886.

Loretta Tuell, staff director and chief counsel for the Senate Indian Affairs Committee, said Tuesday it was inappropriate to link Geronimo, whom she called "one of the greatest Native American heroes," with one of the most hated enemies of the United States.

"These inappropriate uses of Native American icons and cultures are prevalent throughout our society, and the impacts to Native and non-Native children are devastating," Tuell said.

Tuell is a member of the Nez Perce tribe and grew on the tribe's reservation in Idaho. The Senate Indian Affairs panel had previously scheduled a hearing for Thursday on racial stereotypes of native people.

Please read the full article at:

http://www.postandcourier.com/news/2011/may/04/code-name-offends-indians/

[seabeyond]

117. maybe they read your post and dont realize it is codename for mission not obl .

see what you did. obl codename was jackpot.

[Better Believe It]

120. Perhaps you should read articles before commenting on them.

That's always a good thing to do.

You don't review movies you haven't seen, do you?

I guess you even missed the caption of this news article!

Code name for bin Laden operation offends American Indians
BY MATTHEW DALY
Associated Press
May 4, 2011

Now read the article.

OK?

[AsahinaKimi]

118. AP NewsBreak: Tribe seeks apology for code name

The leader of the Fort Sill Apache Tribe is looking for a formal apology from President Barack Obama for the government's use of the code name "Geronimo" for Osama bin Laden.

Tribal Chairman Jeff Houser asked for the apology in a letter sent Tuesday to the president.

The letter was posted Wednesday morning on the tribe's website, and the tribe's administration confirmed it was from Houser.

Houser writes that his tribe was ecstatic to learn about bin Laden's death but those feelings were tempered when members learned that the code word used for the terrorist was the name of one of the Oklahoma tribe's legendary warriors.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_bin_laden_geronimo

[Better Believe It]

121. We had more than a few people jump all over and attack this post yesterday.

I don't think many, if any, will now defend their earlier attacks on the criticism of using the code name "Geronimo".

[phleshdef]

119. So was calling him Elvis offensive to white people?

Get the fuck over it. The military uses corny codenames like that for everything and they are not culturally or racially aimed at anyone in particular. Anyone thats offended over this needs to grow the hell up and that includes the native american leaders that complained about it to because the military uses codenames like that from just about any racial background you can think of. Its not racist, it doesn't mean anything, its a petty concern not worthy of a thread.