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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 08:31 PM
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Libyan Revolution Day 77
Links to sites with updates: http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-may-5">AJE Live Blog May 5 (today) http://blogs.aljazeera.net/twitter-dashboard">AJE Twitter Dashboard http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/libya">The Guardian http://uk.reuters.com/places/libya">Reuters http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/">Telegraph http://feb17.info/">feb17.info http://www.livestream.com/libya17feb?utm_source=lsplayer&utm_medium=embed&utm_campaign=footerlinks">Libya Alhurra (live video webcast from Benghazi) http://libya-alhurra.tumblr.com/">Libya Alhurra archives and updates http://www.ustream.tv/channel/benghaziradio">Benghazi Free Radio, in Arabic (may have translators present at times) http://www.libyafeb17.com/">libyafeb17.com

Twitter links: http://twitter.com/#!/aymanm">Ayman Mohyeldin, with AJE http://twitter.com/#!/bencnn">Ben Wedeman, with CNN http://twitter.com/#!/tripolitanian">tripolitanian, a Libyan from Tripoli http://twitter.com/#!/BaghdadBrian">Brian Conley, reporter in Libya http://twitter.com/#!/freelibyanyouth">FreeLibyanYouth, Libyan advocate http://twitter.com/#!/LibyaFeb17_com">LibyaFeb17.com twitter account http://twitter.com/#!/ChangeInLibya">ChangeInLibya, Libyan advocate https://twitter.com/#!/TheyCallMeSof">Sofyan Amry (arrived in Benghazi recently)

Useful links: http://audioboo.fm/feb17voices">feb17voices http://www.google.com/search?q=time+in+libya">Current time in Libya http://www.islamicfinder.org/cityPrayerNew.php?country=libya">Prayer times in Libya

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1028983">Day 76 here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixwx_B38678">Marching On in Libya, for the revolutionaries!


Fleeing migrants and Libyans were seen on board a ship, chartered by the International Organization of Migration, leaving the port in the besieged western city of Misurata.

Photograph: Christophe Simon/Agence France-Presse



http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/05/world/africa/05nations.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss">International Prosecutor to Seek Warrants for 3 Libyan Officials
“War crimes are apparently committed as a matter of policy,” the prosecutor said. He went on: “The evidence shows that events in neighboring Egypt and Tunisia prompted Libyan security forces to begin preparations for the possibility of demonstrations in Libya. As early as January, mercenaries were being hired and brought into Libya.”

Other violations, he said, included preventing the wounded from receiving medical care; arresting, torturing and raping perceived opponents of the Qaddafi government; and the use of cluster bombs, mortars and other heavy weapons in crowded urban areas.

The prosecutor said that “efforts to cover up the crimes” — removing dead bodies from hospitals and preventing doctors from documenting the dead and injured — have made it difficult to establish the number of victims. But he said 500 to 700 died from shootings in February, before full-fledged fighting broke out between the government and hastily assembled rebel forces.

“Shooting at protestors was systematic,” he said.


http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/uk/aid-ship-in-misrata-bombing-raid-15151048.html">Aid ship in Misrata bombing raid
A UK-funded aid ship has been caught in Misrata harbour during a bombing raid by Muammar Gaddafi's forces that is believed to have killed four people.

The Red Star One docked at the besieged Libyan port to deliver 180 tons of humanitarian supplies and evacuate 1,000 stranded migrant workers and injured civilians.

The Libyan Red Crescent said the attack killed four migrants - a woman, a man and two children who were in a camp nearby. The ship, operated by the International Organisation for Migration, had spent three nights outside Misrata waiting to enter because the sea approaches have been mined.


Attacking the UN's IOM is a war crime, no ifs ands or buts. Humanitarian services must always be allowed to operate.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/global/2011/may/04/gaddafi-arrest-sought-un-war-crimes-trial">Gaddafi arrest likely to get go-ahead as UN looks to war crimes trial
The next step along the road to war crimes prosecutions in Libya will come in about a fortnight's time, when prosecutor Luis Moreno-Ocampo will submit his request for three arrest warrants to one of the International Criminal Court's two pre-trial chambers for approval.

The Libyan case is being handled by Chamber I, made up of three judges, from Brazil, Italy and Botswana, who in March 2009 approved an arrest warrant against Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir for crimes against humanity and war crimes. The chamber originally rejected the prosecutor's call for an additional charge of genocide, but that was overturned on appeal.

Legal observers said in the Gaddafi case, they expected the judges to uphold the central charges outlined in Moreno-Ocampo's report.

The question then arises as to which organisation should carry out the arrest. Under the 1998 Rome Statute on which the ICC was built, that duty falls first to the national government in question, and there is at least a faint hope among western governments that the issuing of ICC arrest warrants would provide a trigger and a legal justification for any remaining waverers in the Gaddafi camp to move against him.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/04/gaddafi-targets-relief-ship-misrata-libya">Gaddafi targets relief ship as it evacuates Misrata wounded in Libya
Muammar Gaddafi's forces have bombarded the port of the besieged city of Misrata while a humanitarian ship was evacuating hundreds of foreign migrants and injured Libyan civilians, killing up to five members of a migrant family.

The Red Star 1, a ferry chartered by the International Organisation for Migration, had been forced to wait outside Misrata for four days after loyalist troops planted sea mines and pounded the harbour with missiles.

The port controller has finally given the ship the go-ahead to dock following a lull in shelling. But as containers of food and medical supplies were being unloaded from the ship, up to a dozen missiles were fired into the area of the port where migrant workers were gathered.

Witnesses said one missile hit a Nigerian or Ghanaian family, killing at least two children and their mother. Others said that the father and a third child had also died.


Gaddafi, friend of black Africans.



http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/02/25/world/middleeast/map-of-how-the-protests-unfolded-in-libya.html">Click here for updated map


Video of the convoy sent to take Benghazi, taken from a dead soliders cell phone (shows how massive the operation was): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwWwOeZqz6M

Sky News went with Gaddafi minders to find a "civilian town bombed" only they were never shown any such thing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O5KJavfiQo

TNC presser talking about various details of the revolution (thanks to Waiting for Everyone): http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=730234&mesg_id=731532

Topic on the women of the revolution, dispels myths that they are treated poorly: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x594751

Videos to bring the Libyan Revolution into context:

The Battle of Benghazi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0vChMDuNd0

BBC Panorama on Libya Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyaPnMnpCAA

BBC Panorama on Libya Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMzwQvcx62s

Tea of Freedom Song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WD5tu5bJWKc

Latest indiscriminate shelling in Misurata: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wop3C4zrPXI

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x677397">Text of the resolution.

How will a no fly zone work? AJE reports: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWEwehTtK2k

Canada: http://winnipeg.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20110317/cf-libya-canada/20110317/?hub=WinnipegHome">Canada to send six CF-18s for Libya 'no-fly' mission Norway: http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFOSN00509220110318">Norway to join military intervention in Libya Belgium: http://www.lesoir.be/actualite/monde/2011-03-18/la-belgique-prete-a-une-operation-militaire-en-libye-828970.php">Belgium ready for a military operation in Libya Qatar and the UAE: http://www.defpro.com/daily/details/776/?SID=e80884adc09a37d26904578a9b5978cb">Run-up for Western world’s next military commitment ... with unusual support Denmark: http://www.cphpost.dk/news/international/89-international/51229-denmark-ready-for-action-against-gaddafi.html">Denmark ready for action against Gaddafi France: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/19/world/africa/19libya.html?src=twrhp">Following U.N. Vote, France Vows Libya Action ‘Soon’ Italy: http://af.reuters.com/article/commoditiesNews/idAFLDE72G2HE20110317">Italy to make bases available for Libya no-fly zone-source United Kingdom: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12770467">Libya: UK forces prepare after UN no-fly zone vote United States: http://www.newsday.com/news/nation/nations-draw-up-plans-for-no-fly-zone-over-libya-1.2765122">Nations draw up plans for no-fly zone over Libya Jordan: http://www.smh.com.au/world/military-strikes-on-libya-within-hours-20110318-1bzii.html?from=smh_sb">Military strikes on Libya 'within hours' Spain: http://english.cri.cn/6966/2011/03/19/2801s627320.htm">Spain Expected to Join NATO No-fly Zone Enforcement over Libya

"One month ago (Western countries) were sooo nice, so nice like pussycats," Saif says in a contemptuous sing-song tone."Now they want to be really aggressive like tigers. (But) soon they will come back, and cut oil deals, contracts. We know this game." - http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2058389,00.html">Saif Gaddafi


(Yeah, Saif, as if you weren't "cutting oil deals, contracts" with western states. Who are the 'tigers' now? Bombing your own people.)

http://english.libya.tv/2011/04/25/eastern-libyans-believe-in-national-unity-distrust-au-and-turkish-mediation-survey-reveals/">The first free public opinion poll ever conducted in Libya reveals clues to Eastern Libyan sentiments
* 98 percent of the respondents do not support the division of Libya as a part of the political solution for the current conflict with the Gaddafi regime. Around 95 percent also don’t see any role for Gaddafi or his sons in a transitional period, and think it is impossible to implement any political reform in Libya if Gaddafi or one of his sons stays in power

* Around 96 percent of those polled, believe that the 17th of February revolution can consolidate the national unity of Libya and support the model of a democratic Libya based on a constitution which respects human rights

* Al-Qaeda has not played any role in the 17th of February revolution, say 94 percent of the Eastern Libyans, and 91 percent thinks it’s impossible for Al-Qaeda to play any political role in the new Libya

* The National Transitional Council is seen by 92 percent of those surveyed as “expressing the views and wishes of Libyans for change”


This is equivalent to 17% the entire population of Libya, doing the numbers very conservatively.


http://jenkinsear.com/2011/03/19/a-legal-war-the-united-nations-participation-act-and-libya/">A Legal War: The United Nations Participation Act and Libya
The above link is to an overview of why Obama's implementation of the NFZ and R2P is perfectly legal under the law. I will not post it entirely here, however, all objections come down to the misinformed position that Obama, by using forces in Libya, was invoking Article 43 of the United Nations. This is wrong. Obama invoked Article 42, which does not require congressional approval to implement. Proof of this is that Article 43 has http://www.un.org/en/sc/repertoire/actions.shtml#rel5">never been used.

It goes like this: The US law (Title 22, Chap. 7, Subchap. XIV § 287d) grants the President the right to invoke UN Article 42 http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode22/usc_sec_22_00000287---d000-.html">without authorization, the War Powers Act (Title 50, Chap. 33 § 1541) grants the President permission to act without authorization under http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/50/1541–1548.html">"specific statutory authorization" which, by definition, is what 287d does. § 1543 of the War Powers Act requires the President to report to Congress, http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/obama_explains_libya_mission_to_congress/2011/03/03/ABU9377_blog.html">which he did. One can argue all day and night about the legality of the War Powers Act, doesn't change the fact that under the law as it is written, the President acted within the law.


http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-march-10-0">March 10 7:28pm Saif al Islam Gaddafi says "the time has come for full-scale military action" against Libyan rebels. He goes on to say that Libyan forces loyal to his family "will never surrender, even if western powers intervene".


http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/2011/03/2011328194855872276.html">Libyan Karzai? Chalabi? Forget it
Fortunately, the Council wasn't made-in-the-USA or manufactured by another foreign power. Rather it came into existence, a month ago, at Libyans' own initiative, soon after the winds of revolutionary change blew Libya's way, and after its people rose to the occasion with pride and courage.


http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/03/31/getting_libyas_rebels_wrong">Getting Libya's Rebels Wrong
Don't buy Qaddafi's line: The rebels aren't al Qaeda.


http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2011/04/04/110404taco_talk_anderson#ixzz1HvS7iW22">Who Are the Rebels?
During weeks of reporting in Benghazi and along the chaotic, shifting front line, I’ve spent a great deal of time with these volunteers. The hard core of the fighters has been the shabab—the young people whose protests in mid-February sparked the uprising. They range from street toughs to university students (many in computer science, engineering, or medicine), and have been joined by unemployed hipsters and middle-aged mechanics, merchants, and storekeepers. There is a contingent of workers for foreign companies: oil and maritime engineers, construction supervisors, translators. There are former soldiers, their gunstocks painted red, green, and black—the suddenly ubiquitous colors of the pre-Qaddafi Libyan flag.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/mar/29/vision-democratic-libya-interim-national-council">A vision of a democratic Libya
The interim national council, formed by opposition groups in Libya, has said it will hold free and fair elections and draft a national constitution. Here is its eight-point plan in full.


http://www.workersliberty.org/story/2011/04/20/left-slipping-towards-qaddafi">The left: slipping towards Qaddafi?
When the revolt against Qaddafi started in Libya, hardly anyone on the left — however broadly defined — could say anything in defence of Qaddafi.

With the start of the "no-fly zone", many on the left started to sideline the issues within Libya and focus their efforts on denouncing NATO.

Now the denunciation of NATO, in turn, is acting as a lever to introduce defence of Qaddafi and denunciation of the rebels into broad-left discourse.

...

Everything is done by insinuation and sarcasm, just as old-style Stalinists used to deflect criticism of the USSR by studied wondering whether the regime was quite as bad as extreme Western right-wingers used to say, or whether the right-wingers' motives for criticism might be suspect.


http://louisproyect.wordpress.com/2011/04/21/is-qaddafi-an-anti-racist/">Is Qaddafi an anti-racist?

...

One of the signs that you are dealing with a cruder form of propaganda is if the author does not bother to address evidence that contradicts his or her own. To be taken seriously on the question of Qaddafi’s commitment to pan-African values, you have to take a close look at his overall record, something that does not interest Forte who is so anxious to tilt the scales in favor of Qaddafi that he does not bother to conceal the fact that his hand rests upon the scale.

...



Mohammed Nabbous, killed by Gaddafi's forces while trying to report on the massacre in Benghazi

"I'm not afraid to die, I'm afraid to lose the battle" -Mohammed Nabbous, a month ago when all this began


I'm struggling to come up with something to say about this man. I was not aware of the Libyan uprising until I saw Mo's first report, begging for help, posted here on DU. I was stricken. Here was a man giving everything he had to explain a situation that clearly terrified him, I would not call him a coward in that moment, but you could see the fear in his eyes, and desperation in his voice. For 30 days Nabbous would spend many hours covering the uprising in Benghazi. For many nights I would go to sleep with the webcast of Benghazi live on my computer screen, looking to it occasionally to be sure it was still 'there.' Mo treated the chat room as if we were his friends, and in some way, we were. I never signed up to LiveStream to thank him for all his work and it seems somewhat shallow to do so now, given that I was a lurker for so long. Ever since I took over posting these threads "Libya Alhurra" has been linked as a source of information. It wasn't until last night, when I posted, and twitter posted on Mo's adventures out into Benghazi to try to determine the truth of the situation, that Mo's webchannel became a hit, over 2000 people were watching him stream live. This was curious to him because he'd done many reports like this in the past but he appeared somewhat bemused that the view count exploded as it did. Last night Mo became a star. This is a man who first started out with a webcast replete with fear and desperation finally overcoming that aspect of himself and losing that fear, to become someone who was a fighter for the resistance just as much as those who held the guns. Reporting on the front lines of Benghazi became his final act, and for that he should never, ever be forgotten. I'm so sorry Mo that I never got to know you better.

Mo's first report, which many of you may remember, begging for help: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38EXALI60hg

Mo's last report, a fallen hero trying to spread the word to the world: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ecu_iWLn-rg

Mo leaves behind a wife who is with child, she had http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/03/23/a_bright_voice_from_libyas_darkness">this to say about the No Fly Zone and R2P UN resolution:

We started this in a pure way, but he turned it bloody. Thousands of our men, women, and children have died. We just wanted our freedom, that's all we wanted, we didn't want power. Before, we could not do a single thing if it was not the way he wanted it. All we wanted was freedom. All we wanted was to be free. We have paid with our blood, with our families, with our men, and we're not going to give up. We are still going to do that no matter what it takes, but we need help. We want to do this ourselves, but we don't have the weapons, the technology, the things we need. I don't want anyone to say that Libya got liberated by anybody else. If NATO didn't start moving when they did, I assure you, I assure you, half of Benghazi if not more would have been killed. If they stop helping us, we are going to be all killed because he has no mercy anymore.


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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 08:32 PM
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1. Current time in Libya, 3:32am Thursday, May 5
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 08:34 PM
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2. Libya: Col Gaddafi's forces adopt tactics of mass terror
His forces are going to extreme lengths to attack civilians after their conventional army with its tanks and artillery has suffered substantial losses from Nato air attacks with a third being destroyed.

The RAF and Royal Navy alone have destroyed at least 250 tanks and artillery and Nato air attacks have destroyed a third of Libya's armour.

.....

It has also emerged that regime troops have taken to wearing gas masks on the front line as a form of psychological warfare to intimidate the local population particularly in the besieged town of Misurata.

Military intelligence has disclosed that Gaddafi's troops poisoned water wells in Jebel Mustafa, a mountainous region that supplies water to the rebel stronghold of Nalut.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8493076/Libya-Col-Gaddafis-forces-adopt-tactics-of-mass-terror.html
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 08:35 PM
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3. So that gas mask story turned out to be true.
Sorry for having any doubts. :hi:
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 08:39 PM
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4. Don't remember the doubts. No problemo.
Edited on Wed May-04-11 08:39 PM by tabatha
But stuff is moving so fast it is easy to forget stuff. :hi:

Iterate had some good commentary on the last thread.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 08:50 PM
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5. The Road to Conviction: Arrest as Gaddafi’s Potential Ouster
http://enoughgaddafi.com/?p=690">The Road to Conviction: Arrest as Gaddafi’s Potential Ouster
Over the last several months, we have often heard that “it is not a matter of if Gaddafi will go, but rather a matter of when he will go.” Billions of dollars worth of frozen assets, sanctions and NATO strikes have yet to persuade the pilfering oppressor to relinquish his post.

Chief Prosecutor to the International Criminal Court, Louis Moreno-Ocampo, is set to take the stage on May 4th and to deliver a report to the United Nations regarding the status of investigations into crimes committed in Libya. Moreno-Ocampo is likely to announce that he will seek five warrants of arrest from the Court in upcoming weeks. In theory, the issuing of arrest warrants could present a potential turning point in bringing an end to the atrocities, but in practice, judicial intervention in international conflicts has been easier said than done.

Although it seems rather intuitive that an international court would intervene in Libya, aligning the necessary political, legal and humanitarian forces for such action has proven quite difficult in the past. As Libya is one of forty-five countries in the UN that has neither signed nor ratified the Rome Statute, the only possible channel to internationally prosecute Gaddafi and his accomplices is through a rare referral from the United Nations Security Council.

The rarity of this type of referral cannot be overstated. The Security Council has referred a case to the ICC only once before, passing Resolution 1593 in 2005 in response to the genocide in Darfur. Even then, the referral came years after massive human rights violations had been alleged, and the Security Council was not unanimous in its referral. In the case of Libya, however, the United Nations Security Council voted unanimously to refer the situation in Libya to the ICC only ten days after the Gaddafi regime began its brutal crackdown.


Excellent article, really good stuff coming from Enough Gaddafi.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 09:25 PM
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7. Hague Court Seeks Warrants for Libyan Officials
Edited on Wed May-04-11 09:26 PM by tabatha
The prosecutor of the International Criminal Court in The Hague said Wednesday that he would seek arrest warrants for three senior officials in Libya on charges of crimes against humanity, providing no names but saying that the three were “the most responsible” for the crimes committed.

Luis Moreno-Ocampo, the prosecutor, appeared in a briefing before the United Nations Security Council, which had unanimously called for a criminal investigation of Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi’s use of force against civilians. Mr. Moreno-Ocampo said the evidence supporting charges of war crimes and crimes against humanity included the shooting of peaceful protesters, followed by weeks of systematic persecution, including murder, imprisonment and torture.

“War crimes are apparently committed as a matter of policy,” the prosecutor said. He went on: “The evidence shows that events in neighboring Egypt and Tunisia prompted Libyan security forces to begin preparations for the possibility of demonstrations in Libya. As early as January, mercenaries were being hired and brought into Libya.” Other violations, Mr. Moreno-Ocampo said, included preventing the wounded from receiving medical care; arresting, torturing and raping perceived opponents of the Qaddafi government; and the use of cluster bombs, mortars and other heavy weapons in crowded urban areas.

The prosecutor said that “efforts to cover up the crimes” — removing bodies from hospitals and preventing doctors from documenting the dead and wounded — had made it difficult to establish the number of victims. But he said 500 to 700 died from shootings in February, before full-fledged fighting broke out between the government and hastily assembled rebel forces.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/05/world/africa/05nations.html?smid=tw-nytimes&seid=auto
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 12:23 AM
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19. Gaddafi arrest likely to get go-ahead
Muammar Gaddafi
The "brother leader of the Libyan revolution" insists he has no official function, but there can be little doubt he exercises what lawyers call "command responsibility" for the actions of the country's security forces. He publicly attacked the Benghazi rebels as "rats" and dismissed them as al-Qaeda terrorists, as well as denying that innocents have been killed -- when there is ample evidence they have.

Abdullah Senussi
Gaddafi's brother-in-law, right-hand man and veteran intelligence and security chief. Convicted in absentia by a French court for his role in the bombing of a French plane over Niger in 1989 in which 170 people died. Likely to have been involved in planning the Lockerbie bombing. Seen in Benghazi at start of uprising in February.

Saif al-Islam al-Gaddafi
The leader's second son was widely seen as a reformist until the uprising, when he fell into line behind the regime and his father and vowed to fight "to the last bullet." But his brothers, Muatasim, his father's national security adviser, and Khamis, commander of an elite security battalion in the fighting, may be more likely candidates for indictments.

Mahmoud al-Baghdadi
Secretary of the General People's Committee (equivalent of prime minister), and chairperson of the Libyan Investment Authority; its assets are frozen by the US.

Moussa Koussa
Foreign minister until he fled to Britain in March. An unlikely choice to face the court, given his role and hopes his defection would encourage other figures to follow suit. His assets have been unfrozen by the US and EU. - guardian.co.uk © Guardian News and Media 2011

http://mg.co.za/article/2011-05-05-gaddafi-arrest-likely-to-get-goahead/
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 10:33 PM
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11. K/R -- Libya Hurra -- !!
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Yosarian71 Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 09:22 PM
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6. Developing stories

Local Council of Bani Walid:

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=ar&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Falmanaramedia.blogspot.com%2F2011%2F05%2Fblog-post_6034.html%3Fspref%3Dtw&act=url

Lots of reports bubbling up that Gaddafi's entire brigade at Brega may be on the verge of surrendering because they can't be supplied.

I am skeptical about the Brega rumors, but Bani Walid seems to be barely in Gaddafi's control, if it still is at all.

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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 09:30 PM
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8. Hague: Arab Democracy Must Be Supported
Foreign Secretary William Hague has called on the international community to offer financial backing to democracy movements in the Middle East.

Speaking at the Lord Mayor of London's Easter banquet in the Mansion House, Mr Hague said the support would help prevent the so-called Arab Spring collapsing back into "more authoritarian regimes, conflict and increased terrorism".

He urged the European Union to offer the "hand of friendship" to nations such as Tunisia and Egypt on its southern borders, suggesting that a free-trade area and then a customs union could be possible in the future.

"All of this must should be accompanied by our partners achieving clear and sustainable political and economic reform," he said.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Arab-Uprisings-William-Hague-Says-World-Must-Give-Financial-Backing-To-Democracy-Movements/Article/201105115985614?lpos=UK_News_Top_Stories_Header_3&lid=ARTICLE_15985614_Arab_Uprisings%3A_William_Hague_Says_World_Must_Give_Financial_Backing_To_Democracy_Movements
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 09:56 PM
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9. Libyan rebels held city despite odds
By Ben Hubbard

Associated Press
Posted: 05/04/2011 04:21:34 PM PDT

MISRATA, Libya -- Tripoli Street is a bullet-scarred wasteland -- littered with charred cars and tanks, its cafes and offices shattered. Yet for Misrata's civilians-turned-fighters, the boulevard is a prized trophy, paid for in blood, won with grit and guile.

It took five weeks of fierce street battles -- on rooftops, in alleyways -- for Misrata's inexperienced rebels to wrest control of their city's commercial heart from forces loyal to Libyan ruler Moammar Gadhafi. Up against armored units and professional sniper squads, they turned bottles, tires and trailer trucks into tools of war.

When they finally succeeded in pushing government forces out of Libya's third-largest city in late April, it was the greatest head-to-head military victory yet in the uprising that threatens Gadhafi's 42-year hold on power. The opposition controls much of eastern Libya, but Misrata is the only city in the west rebels have managed to hold.

"Our fighters weren't fighting from experience," said the local military spokesman, Ibrahim Beatelmal, noting that most had never touched a gun before joining the fight. "They had to make it all up as they went along."

http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_17993251?source=rss&nclick_check=1
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 10:31 PM
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10. Libya: International Contact Group prepares to meet in Rome
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8493314/Libya-International-Contact-Group-prepares-to-meet-in-Rome.html">Libya: International Contact Group prepares to meet in Rome
We have intervened because when a government not only fails to protect its own people but actively visits violent repression on those selfsame people, it becomes the international community's "responsibility to protect".

The international coalition's intervention has served to contain, although unfortunately still not to put a complete stop to, the massacre of civilians being perpetrated by Colonel Gaddafi using cluster bombs, heavy artillery, mercenaries and snipers, in fact by every possible means, in open breach of humanitarian law.

We could not turn a blind eye to this carnage.

What we are witnessing is not a civil war, it is the Libyan people's resistance against the aggression of its leader's personal army.


This will be todays news. Contact group meeting in Rome. I believe Italy is going to propose a solution but I don't know what it is since they're backing more openly the rebels now (and have called for Gaddafi to step down).
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 11:15 PM
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14. Despite opposition to intervention in Italy, its parliament voted to stay in the NATO op





Italian lawmakers back military action in Libya


ROME (AP) — Italian lawmakers have voted to keep Italy in the NATO-led military operation against Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi but called for Rome and its allies to work out an endgame for military action.

The lower house of parliament passed a motion 308-294 on Wednesday that also commits Italy to seek a diplomatic solution to the conflict.

Foreign Minister Franco Frattini, briefing the lawmakers ahead of the vote, said it was impossible to set a date for an endgame at this stage. He did agree that the "political goal is for military action to cease as soon as possible."

The vote took place a day before international powers meet in Rome to map out a strategy for their actions in Libya, including how to give financial support to the rebels.


http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hzydxMh9WvZ0ZeWM8XGHbmddhQ-A?docId=b576c35f244b46f58943c535a2d3993f




Note: The link now goes to another story which this info was been folded into, with some additional quotes. I'll post that story separately, as it reports more information about the positions of NATO members as the Rome meeting is about to take place.


:hi:


P.S.--How do you like your steak, Josh? I'm about to throw a top silrloin on the grill. I figured you'd be happy to know that I'm not stuck with going out to a McFancy restaurant yet again. :)






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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 11:49 PM
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17. Ahh, well done, almost scorched to death.
A grill is the best way to make 'em! Hope you're enjoying a good meal! :hi:
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 12:49 AM
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20. Karnac says the question is...
What would you say if the revos burned Gaddafi at the stake? :evilgrin:


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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 01:13 AM
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21. No, he should be put on trial.
So that all he has done can be heard by the world.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 01:31 AM
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23. I totally agree
If it is at all possible, he should be captured alive to face trial by the Libyans, the ICC, or both.

NATO, beyond NOT targeting him, should be taking great pains to avoid any possibility of Gaddafi being killed by an airstrike inadvertently. Gaddafi is for the Libyans to deal with, first, as long as he remains in the country.


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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 01:36 AM
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24. Completely agree!
I did not want him to be killed in an airstrike, it would sully the revolution, either they hang him from the gallows (as he has so often done) or he winds up in front of the ICC.

Granted, it'd be 'nice' if he just so happened to be where an airstrike happened, but in all honesty I'd prefer it not go that way. Already people are saying the west is controlling shit despite all the evidence we've provided to the contrary. If NATO takes him out it'd just further the agendas of the anti-Libyan contingent and there'd be an asterisk looming over the future of Libya. I don't want that and neither do the Libyans.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 10:46 PM
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12. Live call from Misrata, May 5 2011 (with Mo's wife Perditta)
http://libya-alhurra.tumblr.com/post/5206924646/live-call-from-misrata-may-5-2011">Live call from Misrata, May 5 2011
Perditta: Salam

Faraj and Mohammed: Salam

P: how are you both today?

M and F: Thank God, we’re well.

Perditta: Brothers Faraj and Mohammed, can you please talk to us about misrata?

A: This morning, there were NATO planes flying overhead from 12:30 until the middle of the afternoon, GRADs fell on Qasr Ahmed, that is, in the port region 5 were injured, all from 1 family was present, who were trying to leave to Benghazi, and affected, and a large number of Africans were also affected by these GRADs

F: a number of Africans were there, awaiting the docking of the ship

Mohammed: people going to Benghazi, and Africans 7 died


Much more at link.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 11:14 PM
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13. UN webcast statement by Luis Moreno-Ocampo, Prosecutor
Edited on Wed May-04-11 11:39 PM by tabatha
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 11:26 PM
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15. NATO chief says he favors financing Libyan rebels


(AP) –

ROME (AP) — European powers appeared to be losing patience Wednesday with the stalemate in Libya as the foreign ministers of both France and Italy called for an end to the international military action there as soon as possible.

Meanwhile, support for giving money to the Libyan rebels — presumably to buy arms, equipment and munitions with which to overthrow Moammar Gadhafi — seemed to be growing as the taste for a long air war waned. Officials from countries involved in the military campaign will announce ways to help the rebels financially as they meet Thursday in Rome, the Italian Foreign Ministry said.

"I am definitely in favor of taking all necessary measures to put the maximum pressure on the Gadhafi regime," NATO Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen, who will participate in the conference, said at a news conference in Brussels. "And I do believe it would be protection of civilians in Libya if Gadhafi was forced to step down. It would be helpful if the opposition were to be financed properly."

French Foreign Minister Alain Juppe, speaking Wednesday on France 24 TV, also said the rebels needed help.

In Washington a day earlier, a State Department spokesman had said the aim of the conference in Rome would be to figure out how to get financial help to the opposition Transitional National Council, led by Mustafa Abdel-Jalil, who used to be Gadhafi's justice minister.



http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hzydxMh9WvZ0ZeWM8XGHbmddhQ-A?docId=b576c35f244b46f58943c535a2d3993f








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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 11:40 PM
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16. @ChangeInLibya Mhalwes tweet

Misrata: Gaddafi forces tried to enter the city from Ad-Dafniyyah and Airport today. Got defeated both times & suffered heavy losses. #libya
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Yosarian71 Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 11:50 PM
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18. Bani Walid and Brega
According to multiple tweets yesterday, apparently Libyan State TV tried to broadcast from Bani Walid and it got a little ugly. Then a local council issued a statement supportive of Misrata if not necessarily joining the revolution. If Bani Walid joins the revolution, it forms a noose around Gaddafi and Sirte and Brega are completely cut off. The momentum could swing even further in the rebels direction with that city.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 01:26 AM
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22. Libya coalition tries to help rebels raise funds
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/05/04/libya-idUKLDE7432LY20110504">Libya coalition tries to help rebels raise funds
ROME, May 5 (Reuters) - Ministers from the NATO-backed coalition against Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi meet in Rome on Thursday seeking ways to get money to rebels who are desperate to buy food and medicine and shore up their administration.

As the conflict in Libya has ground into stalemate, the rebel Transitional National Council, which controls the region of eastern Libya around Benghazi and has been recognised by both France and Italy, has appealed for loans of up to $3 billion.

But efforts to unblock state assets frozen in overseas accounts, or to allow the rebels to get past U.N. sanctions that prevent their selling oil on international markets, have been held up.

"It's not easy. There are Libyan assets that are frozen and for legal reasons unfreezing them is difficult," French Foreign Minister Alain Juppe told France 24 television on Wednesday.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 01:39 AM
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25. Asylum claims from north Africa rise
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/8493029/Asylum-claims-from-north-Africa-rise.html">Asylum claims from north Africa rise
The number of people asking for shelter from the five most northern countries, including Libya and Egypt, increased by 40 per cent in January and February, compared with the same period last year.

While actual numbers claiming asylum in early 2011 stood at 120, ministers were last night warned it could be just the tip of the iceberg.

The figures coincide with the early days of unrest or civil war in Tunisia, Egypt and Libya and many of those fleeing would not have had time to reach the UK to be included in these figures.

It emerged last month that hundreds of Tunisian and Libyan immigrants had set up camp near the Eurostar terminal in Paris and aimed to travel to Britain.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 02:54 AM
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26. Operation 56K: Internet for Libya
We are launching Operation 56K: Internet for Libya in order to help rebels in their fight against the armed forces of colonel Gaddafi.

The Objective: This is a first step to recover all the old 56K analog modems that we can find and send them to Libya to restore an internet connection.

What struck me the most about the war in Libya is the total lack of communication. This plunges families into unbearably painful uncertainty, and the curel shortage of information completely disorganises the revolutionaries.

Of course there are bloggers, geeks and engineers in Libya who are capable of fiddling with an internet creation by getting around the total black-out imposed by Gaddafi's regime (even phone calls between the east and west aren't allowed). However, there aren't many of these bloggers and they're not on the front line: there aren't enough of them in Ajdabyia for the population to be sufficiently kept up to date, nor at Misrata to establish regular communications with Benghazi.

http://www.ulule.com/56k/
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 03:03 AM
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27. INTERVIEW-UK to crackdown on Libya oil sanctions loopholes
LONDON, May 4 (Reuters) - Britain is working to close any loopholes in international sanctions aimed at preventing Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi's government from funding itself through oil exports, a British minister said on Wednesday.

Foreign Office Minister Alistair Burt also told Reuters in an interview it was a "good question" whether Libyan leader Col. Muammar Gaddafi remained in charge, though Britain had no information to suggest he had been killed.

The Libyan command structure was believed to be "diffuse", though Burt said "it would appear still to be very closely related to him (Gaddafi)."

United Nations Security Council sanctions ban deals with Libya's state-owned National Oil Corporation and the European Union has imposed sanctions on Libyan energy companies. The sanctions do not prevent Libyan rebels from exporting oil.

http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFLDE7432FV20110504?sp=true
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 03:11 AM
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28. There will not be another Hama, and you will not create another Abu Selim
Edited on Thu May-05-11 03:12 AM by tabatha
by Dr. Hamza, MD." Medical Doctor " , but also " freelance developer , designer , writer , computer geek and a blogger " .

Our revolutions vs the tyrants: There will not be another Hama, and you will not create another Abu Selim’s

How much blood has to be spilled just so you can stay in power? for the sake of your arrogance and ego ? How many souls have your taken so you can keep enslaving your people ?

It is difficult for us, nay it is impossible for us to know how many lives you’ve taken. You are the judge, the jury and the executioner, you are the prison guard and the murderer. Only you know the numbers. We are merely your victims, your unknown shell-shocked slain victims.

Hama, the city that was completely destroyed in 1982, under an incredible media cover-up. When the whole world stayed silent, then denounced, then forgot. It was after all an internal matter to slaughter us in silence. It was our fate to die silently and to be forgotten by the world.
Abu Selim, a prison in which every method of torture, oppression and humiliation was perpetrated. Its jailers decided to kill prisoners, so they killed them, and in doing so they set them free from the horrors of this prison and its torturous ways to their Lord. They were buried underneath the prison so they could be poured one onto another in a mass grave. Because in our lands, the prison industry is always booming, customers multiply like rabbits and they have to be put in line to be controlled.

http://hamzaed.com/20110505/our-revolutions-vs-the-tyrants-06.html
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 03:47 AM
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29. Libyan youth find new voices in the media
http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/05/03/147699.html">Libyan youth find new voices in the media
Benghazi is more than just the de facto capital of Libya’s rebel forces. It is the nerve center of the newspapers and magazines that are mushrooming here as a new generation of entrepreneurs enjoys the freedom of airing their voices long suppressed by Muammar Qaddafi’s regime.

Ahmed Al-Jahmy, 27, is one example of that voice. The son of a prominent pro-democracy activist who died after falling into a coma while jailed in solitary confinement, Mr. Jahmy is a political reporter at Panorama, a multilingual weekly newspaper.

“My father had many principles that I hope to advance,” the young man, dressed in jeans and a black T-shirt, told Agence-France Presse. He appeared nervous as he looked around during the interview, not wholly convinced that the new freedom actually existed.

“Don’t speak so loudly, you just don’t know,” he reprimanded his colleague Ziad who was discussing whether fundamentalism could gain ground in Libya’s moderate Muslim society.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 03:50 AM
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30. No to imperialist intervention in Libya. nt
Edited on Thu May-05-11 03:51 AM by inna
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 03:53 AM
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31. Agree!
So do the revolutionaries! :hi:
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 04:11 AM
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32. Libya: a nation of cities
http://english.libya.tv/2011/05/04/a-nation-of-cities-united/">Libya: a nation of cities
Of all the generalizations commonly made by foreign observers and subjectively augmented by Gaddafi about Libya, especially during the people’s present remarkable quest for freedom and democracy, one of the least valid is that tribalism is pervasive in the Libyan society and its politics.

Characteristically, Libya is the most homogeneous, both culturally and religiously, in Africa and the Arab world. The tribal structure is merely a social phenomenon and has no fundamental importance aside from being only a thing of the past, a part of the cultural lore of the people and their history.

There is no lack of effective sense of national unity in Libya. This unity has been formally initiated by Independence and the establishment of a constitutional monarchy and subsequently preserved by astute political awareness on the part of the citizens and a deep sense of common destiny. Thus, conscious of their identity as an independent political unit, the Libyan people all over the liberated regions of the country are relentlessly and genuinely sounding their voice in their peaceful demonstrations nowadays that “Libya is one nation, one clan, one family” and that the myth of tribalism exists only in the mind of the dictator and his few deceived followers.

Furthermore, the appearance and amazing proliferation of the constitutional flag, the symbol of national independence, fluttering almost everywhere in great numbers and shapes, bear unmistakable witness to such unity.


Brilliant article by a Libyan professor in Benghazi.
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 06:08 AM
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33. Britain expels two more Libyan diplomats
Britain expels two more Libyan diplomats
Thu May 5, 2011 10:21am GMT

LONDON May 5 (Reuters) - Britain has expelled two more Libyan diplomats from London days after it ordered the country's ambassador to leave, the Foreign Office said on Thursday.

"I ordered the expulsion of the two diplomats on the basis that their activities were contrary to the interests of the UK," Foreign Secretary William Hague said.

The expulsions were ordered on Wednesday and the diplomats and their families have until May 11 to leave Britain.

"We keep the status of the Libyan Embassy and its staff under constant review," Hague said in a statement. "I judged that the behaviour of these individuals had become unacceptable, and that they should therefore be declared persona non grata." On Sunday, Libyan ambassador Omar Jelban was given 24 hours to leave Britain after the British government said its embassy in Tripoli had been attacked.

more...
http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFLDE7440YD20110505

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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 06:26 AM
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34. Three more countries recognise Libya rebels-spokesman
Three more countries recognise Libya rebels-spokesman
Thu May 5, 2011 11:09am GMT

ROME May 5 (Reuters) - Spain, Denmark and the Netherlands have joined Italy and France in recognising the Transitional National Council of rebels fighting to overthrow Muammar Gaddafi, a rebel spokesman said on Thursday.

Mahmoud Shammam told reporters at a meeting of an international anti-Gaddafi coalition that the cash-strapped rebels only had enough funds to pay for their immediate needs in food, public salaries and medicine until the end of May.

They needed $2-3 billion dollars in urgent funding, he said.

"There are three more countries that have recognised us this morning, Holland, Denmark and Spain. And there will be possibly more after the meeting," Shammam said. Meeting hosts Italy earlier appealed for more members of the NATO-led coalition to recognise the Benghazi-based rebels.

(Reporting by John Irish; Editing by Barry Moody)

http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFRME5GE7PP20110505
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 06:30 AM
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35. Good afternoon, my friend!!
I'm due for an overhaul of my OS, and while I put it off, the probs I have make it difficult to respond to posts.

Nevertheless, I appreciate your thoughtful posts.


:toast:








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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 07:47 AM
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36. Well good afternoon dear friend!
I wish I could reach through the tubes and give you a hand with that overhaul - or maybe even build a new one for you.

But thoughtful? wag finger, wag finger, you've been in the Nescafe again haven't you? Teachers and employers called it daydreaming and after dark it's called "love of good wine."
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Bosonic Donating Member (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 07:52 AM
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37. Netherlands denies recognising Libyan rebels council
THE HAGUE, May 05, 2011 (AFP) - The Netherlands Thursday denied it had recognised Libya's rebel National Transitional Council, as announced earlier by the NTC.

"We haven't formally recognised the council," Dutch foreign ministry spokesman Ward Bezemer told AFP.

Libyan rebels earlier said in Benghazi that Denmark, Spain and the Netherlands had become the latest states to recognise the council, set up to rival the regime of Moamer Kadhafi.

http://www.zawya.com/story.cfm/sidANA20110505T122618ZKIJ50

Denmark also deny recognition, but this isn't linked news yet-just tweets.
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 07:56 AM
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38. Mahmoud Shammam, aka "rebel splokesman", not so fast...
He was 1/3 correct anyway.

Spain sees Libya rebels as official negotiating party
Thu May 5, 2011 12:04pm GMT

MADRID May 5 (Reuters) - Madrid has not changed its stance on Libya's rebels, which is that the Transitional National Council is an "official negotiating counterparty", a source at the foreign ministry told Reuters on Thursday.

Spanish government representatives and diplomats have met with rebel council over recent weeks. "We still have an embassy in Tripoli," the foreign ministry source said.

Earlier on Thursday a Libyan rebel spokesman said that Denmark, Spain and the Netherlands had joined Italy and France in recognising the TNC rebels fighting to overthrow Muammar Gaddafi. (Reporting by Fiona Ortiz; editing by David Stamp)
http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFMDT00990720110505


Denmark denies officially recognising Libya rebels
Thu May 5, 2011 12:02pm GMT

COPENHAGEN May 5 (Reuters) - Denmark denied on Thursday that it had officially recognised Libya's Transitional National Council (TNC) of rebels, but said it did recognise the organisation as a relevant partner for dialogue.

Earlier on Thursday a Libyan rebel spokesman said that Denmark, Spain and the Netherlands had joined Italy and France in recognising the TNC rebels fighting to overthrow Muammar Gaddafi.

"We have not taken steps to formally recognise the TNC," Danish foreign ministry spokesman Jean Ellermann Kingombe said. "There is a willingness to engage (with the TNC) but no formal recognition."

Denmark considers the TNC "a relevant partner for dialogue" and has appointed an envoy to explore the potential for conducting relations with the Benghazi-based rebels, Ellermann Kingombe said. (Reporting by John Acher; editing by David Stamp)
http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFLDE7441DN20110505


Netherlands says it hasn't recognised Libyan rebels
Thu May 5, 2011 11:37am GMT

AMSTERDAM May 5 (Reuters) - The Netherlands has not recognised the Libyan rebels, a foreign ministry spokesman said on Thursday, denying a statement by the Transitional National Council of rebels fighting to overthrow Muammar Gaddafi.

"It is incorrect," said Ward Bezemer, speaking from Rome, "The Netherlands has not recognised them." (Reporting by Sara Webb; Editing by David Stamp)
http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFLDE7441BS20110505
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 07:55 PM
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50. Canada: Liby rebels are a "valid interlocutor," but no formal recognition
AFP: Canada on Thursday said rebels trying to overthrow Gaddafi are a "valid interlocutor," but denied the fighters' claims that Ottawa has formally recognised them as the new government.

"There has been no change in Canada's position on recognition. Canada recognises states, not governments. Libya, as a state, continues to exist," foreign affairs spokeswoman Lisa Monette told AFP.

10:40pm:
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog






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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 08:21 AM
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39. U.S. Seeks to Aid Libyan Rebels With Seized Assets
U.S. Seeks to Aid Libyan Rebels With Seized Assets
By STEVEN LEE MYERS and RACHEL DONADIO
Published: May 5, 2011

ROME – The United States announced Thursday that it would try to release some of the more than $30 billion in assets seized from Libya’s leader, Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi, to help the Libyan people as dozens of officials met here to bolster a NATO-led military intervention that to critics appears stalled.

...

“Clearly on our agenda is looking for the most effective way to deliver financial assets and other means of supporting and helping” the loosely organized political and military forces fighting the Qaddafi forces, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said.

With Libya’s opposition requesting more international assistance, Mrs. Clinton said that she would ask Congress to allow some of the frozen assets to help the Libyan people. But it remains unclear how the new fund would work. The United States requires legislation or an executive order to unfreeze assets frozen by the Treasury Department. Thursday’s meeting was co-hosted by Italy and Qatar. The leader of Libya’s opposition council, Mustafa Abdel-Jalil, who used to be Qaddafi’s justice minister, also attended. The meeting appeared to be an effort to bring diplomacy in line with the rapidly evolving situation on the ground in Libya, where different tribal factions — and the NATO nations themselves — are jockeying for a role in a post-Qaddafi Libya.

“This is not a civil war,” Italian Foreign Minister Franco Frattini said on Thursday. “Rather, it could be defined as the Libyan people’s resistance to the aggression of Qaddafi’s personal army.”

more...
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/06/world/africa/06diplo.html
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 08:33 AM
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40. Video report: Misrata evacuees arrive in Benghazi
May 5 - A ship carrying some 800 evacuees from the besieged Libyan city of Misrata arrives in Benghazi. Travis Brecher reports
1:31

http://uk.reuters.com/news/video/story?videoId=205975770&videoChannel=75
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 08:41 AM
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41. Coalition to create fund for Libya rebels
Coalition to create fund for Libya rebels
Countries involved in military campaign pledge cash for Libya's opposition Transitional National Council.
Last Modified: 05 May 2011 13:29

The NATO-backed coalition in Libya has said it will create a fund for rebels fighting the government of Muammar Gaddafi.

The Transitional National Council (TNC), based in Benghazi, has appealed for loans of up to $3bn, saying they need around half of that for food, medicine and other basic supplies.

Italy, host of Thursday's meeting in Rome of the Contact Group on Libya, said the temporary special fund would aim to channel cash to the opposition administration in its eastern Libyan stronghold.

But efforts to unblock Libyan state assets frozen in overseas accounts, or to allow the rebels to get past UN sanctions that prevent their selling oil on international markets, have been held up.

more...
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/05/201155111319362768.html

AJE video report at the link.

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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 09:12 AM
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42. Expat medics endure Libya siege
Expat medics endure Libya siege
Hospital staff in Nalut had the chance to leave but chose to stay, treating both civilians and soldiers.
Last Modified: 05 May 2011 10:29

Communities in the western Nafusa mountain range of Libya are under siege by Muammar Gaddafi's forces.

The town of Nalut was reportedly bombarded with Grad rockets on Thursday.

A team of medical professionals from all over the world had the chance to leave before the siege, but they chose to stay. In solidarity with the Libyan people, they are treating both civilians and soldiers.

Al Jazeera's Anita McNaught reports from the hospital.

http://english.aljazeera.net/video/africa/2011/05/20115581517637464.html

or
http://www.youtube.com/v/RZ4I9LrjtoU
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 12:04 PM
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43. Libya conflict: Clearing mines at Misrata port (video)
Edited on Thu May-05-11 12:07 PM by tabatha
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13300510

The Royal Navy has been involved in clearing mines off the Libyan port of Misrata, which they say were laid by pro-Gaddafi forces.

HMS Brocklesby, one of the Royal Navy's Mine Counter-Measures Vessels, destroyed a mine less than a mile from the port entrance, the Ministry of Defence has said.

Lieutenant Commander James Byron, Commanding Officer of HMS Brocklesby, has discussed the operation.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 03:03 PM
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53. K/R -- Libya Hurra!
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 01:16 PM
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44. Libyan regime: tribal meeting is sign of support
TRIPOLI, Libya (AP) — Several hundred tribal elders gathered Thursday in the Libyan capital in what a government official said was a show of widespread support for Moammar Gadhafi. Rebels dismissed the claim as bogus.

...

"Libya doesn't have 850 tribes," said the head of the political committee of the rebel's Transitional National Council, Fathi Baja, in the eastern city of Benghazi. "Gadhafi is just a big liar. ... He never had any legitimacy. The Libyan people did not choose him."

Na'eem Jeenah, director of the Afro-Middle East Center in Johannesburg, South Africa, has said Libya has about 140 tribes and clans. He has said Gadhafi has manipulated tribal rivalries and made regular payouts to tribal leaders to juggle his long tenure in power.

Associated Press writer Michelle Faul in Benghazi contributed to this report.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5i0MeZDCzgbKEEro9ErGuo6R7iUNA?docId=6cd86f8885684d628c4c0ab7e1c67b24
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 02:49 PM
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45. Air strikes on Libya will be stepped up to oust Gaddafi, says Hague
But Mr Hague stressed the aim was to oust the dictator through 'military, financial and diplomatic pressure' and he added: 'I am not talking about arming the rebels. The tempo of the military action will be increased against command and control centres and will continue. Time is not on the side of Colonel Gaddafi.

'Thousands of lives have been saved through the military action and we are pleased with what has been achieved - diplomatic, military and economic pressure will show Gaddafi that time is against him.

'A far greater humanitarian crisis has been prevented through the military action and it should continue and intensify and we are pleased with what has been achieved so far and now we need to intensify it.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1383974/Libya-Air-strikes-stepped-oust-Gaddafi-says-William-Hague.html#ixzz1LVdgIIFj

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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 03:12 PM
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46. Youth coalition calls for protest in support of Arab revolutions
Edited on Thu May-05-11 03:17 PM by tabatha
The 25 January Revolution Youth Coalition (RYC)on Thursday called on all Egyptians to show their support for the revolutions taking place in various Arab countries by participating in a symbolic protest in Tahrir Square at 4 pm on Friday, outside the Arab League headquarters.

The protest comes as part of the RYC's celebrations on the occasion of the passage of 100 days since the 25 January revolution.

The Coalition also called on all “honorable people in the Arab World” to gather in the main squares of their countries to show their support for “our brothers in Syria, Yemen, Libya and Bahrain."

At a press conference today, the RYC demanded the withdrawal of Egypt’s ambassadors to the four mentioned countries and for these countries’ ambassadors in Cairo to be summoned and officially informed of Egypt’s denouncement of the bloodshed and violence towards the peoples of these countries.

http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/node/425155
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 03:26 PM
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47. Great program "The Arab Awakening" on Al Jazeera now
Edited on Thu May-05-11 03:59 PM by tabatha
http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/

Mo's efforts are on now.

Hope it becomes a video!
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 06:55 PM
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48. Libyan revolutionaries lay foundation for new state
By Asmaa Elourfi for Magharebia in Benghazi – 05/05/11

"All who suffered repression under Kadhafi can now say and write anything they want," rebel spokesman Abdelhafed Ghoga says.

As the Deputy Chairman of Libya's Transitional National Council, Abdelhafed Ghoga has the uneasy task of governing a country wrecked by civil strife. Magharebia sat down with the rebel spokesman in Benghazi where he described how the rebels were working to re-establish order and rebuild basic functions of a democratic state. He also described how Libyans view the UN intervention and the antipathy some feel towards countries that opposed the no-fly zone.

Magharebia: With the outbreak of the February 17th uprising, many state institutions in Libya were destroyed. How are you working to rebuild law enforcement capacity and protect citizens?

Abdelhafed Ghoga: In fact, right after the start of the February 17th revolution, the first thing we did – even before the formation of the Transitional Council itself – was to form local councils in all the cities that had been liberated, such as Tobruk, Derna, Al Marj, Ajdabiya, and Misrata, aiming at the administration of affairs of the citizens. This measure marked an important step. The other sectors were already there and running.

http://www.magharebia.com/cocoon/awi/xhtml1/en_GB/features/awi/features/2011/05/05/feature-02
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 07:37 PM
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49. Ivorian court confirms Ouattara as president


Ivory Coast's constitutional council has ratified the results of last year's presidential election showing that Alassane Ouattara won, reversing an earlier decision to reject them.

The court's initial rejection of electoral commission results from the November 2010 poll sparked a more than four-month power struggle between Ouattara and incumbent leader Laurent Gbagbo.

Paul Yao N'Dre, the president of the constitutional council, said on Thursday that the top legal body now accepted Ouattara had won the election.

"The constitutional council ... proclaims Alassane Ouattara president, takes note of decisions made by and declares them all valid," N'Dre announced to journalists in Abidjan, the country's commercial capital.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/05/2011551910746739.html







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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 08:07 PM
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51. Men search shattered Libyan city for unburied dead


MISRATA, Libya (AP) — Flies flickered through flashlight beams and a foul odor filled the air as the men tromped down the stairs to a basement. Their rubber boots splashed in ankle-deep putrid water as they scanned the darkness for the bodies they'd come to retrieve.

"Here's one," someone said. Then another. And another. And another.

The group has found well over 100 bodies, including 44 charred corpses in one house, said Dr. Faraj Ahmed, a veterinarian.

The group's members are not trained to deal with the dead, and no one asked them to do it. Instead, the laborers, businessmen and university students organized themselves, driven by the desire to clean up their city and follow the Islamic obligation to respect the dead.

"In the end, we are all sons of Adam and need to be treated like sons of Adam," said Bashir Ibrahim. "We all deserve a proper burial."

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"When Gadhafi's forces pulled out, we found that they had left lots of bodies — 10 here, 25 there — and the dogs and the cats were eating them," Ibrahim said.


http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iFQ7WVihRwDe_kq_wfG6HYpITyZQ?docId=ffd66633b5784461b1fbe1c266b4ac0b








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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 08:17 PM
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52. Day 78 here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1047696

The unreccers were strong on this one, it was +8 when I last saw it...
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