Who is responsible for more deaths? Bush or Osama?

[Pryderi]

[mike_c]

1. OBL is a light-weight when it comes to mass murder, compared to Bush....

Or Bill Clinton, for that matter.

[William769]

7. How do you figure that about Bill Clinton?

[mike_c]

9. about a million Iraqi civilions killed, including 500,000 children...

...during Clinton's presidency. We've been bombing, slaughtering, starving, and denying medical supplies to Iraq through several administrations.

[William769]

10. Oh you mean sanctions.

Yea Sadam had nothing to do with the killings, he was to busy building his gold palaces!

[mike_c]

11. so, Saddam building gold palaces was sufficient justification to slaughter...

...nearly a million Iraqis?

Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?

Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price--we think the price is worth it.

--60 Minutes (5/12/96)

Then-Secretary of State Madeleine Albright's quote, calmly asserting that U.S. policy objectives were worth the sacrifice of half a million Arab children, has been much quoted in the Arabic press. It's also been cited in the United States in alternative commentary on the September 11 attacks (e.g., Alexander Cockburn, New York Press, 9/26/01).

[William769]

12. again why were the sanctions there.

Hey if you want to be a Saddam sympathizer, be my guest. I know it just sticks in you craw that you can't blame Bill Clinton but history has already judged.

[mike_c]

13. good question, why were they...?

The UN was ready to lift them long before 2003-- the UN commissioner in charge of the program resigned in protest because the U.S. kept them in place, citing "important foreign policy considerations." The truth is that most of the world's intelligence services knew Saddam's regime was effectively disarmed by 1995, yet the U.S. insisted that only "regime change" would satisfy it. I don't have any good things to say about Saddam Hussein, but one million innocent Iraqi civilians, including half a million children under five, was NOT "worth the price" for achieving regime change in Iraq. Altogether, between them, G.H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton, and G. W. Bush were responsible for the murders of MILLIONS of Iragi non-combatants-- all, with the exception of the liberation of Kuwait, based on trumped up lies about nonexistent "weapons of mass destruction" that had ALL been decommissioned during the early days of UNSCOM.

Sorry if you find this an inconvenient truth.

[slackmaster]

2. I hold Osama bin Laden responsible for most of the deaths typically attributed to Bush on this forum

OBL was the kid who kicked the hornets' nest. The hornets were just dumb animals that responded as anyone in their right mind would have expected them to behave. Nobody in their right mind would have expected Bush to do anything other than what he did.

Unrec for posting tedious black vs. white poll with predictable results.

[Terra Alta]

3. Dumbya.

It could also be argued that Dumbya created more terrorists than Osama.

[Erose999]

14. And by carrying on and expanding Dubya's policies, Obama has created his fair share as well. Drone

strikes, Blackwater, GITMO, torture, etc. The people of Afghanistan have a lot to be angry with the US about.

[Liberal Veteran]

4. Other: I fail to see how this poll is helpful.

[ThatPoetGuy]

6. +1. nt

[RaleighNCDUer]

5. Bush

but only by a million or so.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

8. And, neither will get a trial. Even though GWB doesn't need to be captured.