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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 02:06 PM
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LOL-YOO says that killing of bin Laden will go down in history as one of Obama's BIGGEST Failures
John Yoo says President Obama is too afraid of the politics of Guantanamo Bay to capture and interrogate terrorists.

The former Gorge W. Bush administration lawyer, Yoo wrote the infamous torture memos used to justify the "enhanced interrogation techniques" that were a central legacy of Bush's Global War On Terror. He now says that the killing of Osama bin Laden will go down in history as one of President Obama's biggest national security fails.

MORE:
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/05/john-yoo-killing-bin-laden-was-a-bad-idea-video.php?ref=fpa
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703834804576301032595527372.html
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/05/06/973732/-John-Yoo-says-something-appalling-stupid
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 02:07 PM
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1. Mr. Holder Really Ought To Prosecute This Wretch, Ma'am....
At this point, he is just begging for it.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 02:08 PM
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3. As a friends says with much humor
Correct is right :D
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 02:07 PM
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2. Fuck Yoo. n/t
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 02:59 PM
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14. Yeah, fuck you Yoo, you dastardly fucker
:patriot:
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 02:08 PM
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4. what ground does this unethical
fuckhead have to stand on? Seriously - his last 10 years have been a failure.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 02:08 PM
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5. Alrighty then, good luck with that... nt
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matt819 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 02:26 PM
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6. These people are pathetic
If OBL was captured, the right would have said he should have been killed.

If photos were released, the right would say they were photoshopped.

Their Obama derangement syndrome is far worse than our Bush derangement syndrome.

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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 02:33 PM
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9. Spot on!
Bush was deranged, and we pointed it out. He gave us so much to hate. Nothing like this bullshit we've seen aimed at Obama. He could cure cancer and they would scream that he killed pharmaceutical jobs!
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 05:27 PM
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23. +1
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 05:52 PM
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25. They are sociopaths
and they are pathetic ones too
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LLStarks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 02:31 PM
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7. We got more intel from the seized materials than we ever would've gotten from bin Laden. nt
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 02:32 PM
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8. yoo sounds angry that
President Obama and Democrats succeeded where bush and repubs, including yoo, failed.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1052015

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Puzzler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 02:35 PM
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10. Yoo and the GOP are suddenly "soft" on terror
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 02:35 PM
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11. With advisors like Yoo, no wonder Bush gave up looking for him
Not that we already didn't know that it was deliberate rather than from any lack of success.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 02:44 PM
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12. For some ungodly reason
Alaska's Bar Association invited John Yoo to be their keynote speaker at their convention this year. Brant McGee, former public defender and 33-year Alaska lawyer, is not happy about it.

http://www.adn.com/2011/05/04/1845860/bar-association-speaker-a-poor.html



Many Alaska lawyers were shocked and appalled to learn that the leadership of the Alaska Bar Association had invited John Yoo, a former Justice Department lawyer and author of the infamous torture memos, to be honored as the keynote speaker at today's annual convention.

The Bar Association is responsible for protecting Alaskans by policing its members and punishing unethical conduct, so it was at least ironic that it chose Yoo, a lawyer who "committed intentional professional misconduct" when he failed to provide "thorough, objective and candid" legal advice regarding the legality of certain interrogation techniques, according to a lengthy investigation by Justice's Office of Professional Responsibility (OPR).

<snip>

America prosecuted and imprisoned 16 Nazi lawyers and judges in 1947 because they "consciously and deliberately suppressed the law" and contributed to crimes, including torture, that were "committed in the guise of legal process."

Yoo cannot now safely travel to many European countries because they might invoke the provisions of the Convention Against Torture that condemn "complicity" or "participation" in torture and demand that signatory nations exercise their jurisdiction to prosecute suspects like Yoo.

It is Yoo's history of unethical conduct, his likely criminal complicity in torture through providing its legal rationale and authorization, and his role in policies that led directly to crimes that damaged America's reputation that make his selection as a keynote speaker such an outrageous affront.

Read more: http://www.adn.com/2011/05/04/1845860/bar-association-speaker-a-poor.html#ixzz1LbS7KNp3




It's shocking to me that so many of the commenters disagree with Mr. McGee.
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Parker CA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 02:49 PM
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13. That must just mean 9-11 went down as one of Bushco's biggest accomplishments.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 03:17 PM
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15. You'd think he'd want to lay low.
But a number of folks like him know full well that they might be up for re-examination in this climate of change and "factiness" as opposed to "truthiness".
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 03:20 PM
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16. I find it astounding that this guy ever passed the bar.
Astounding.
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 04:57 PM
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21. Sounds like he went into the bar, drank til blind, and remains there now.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 05:51 PM
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24. He was driven knowing that if he passed it he would be a high paid rubber stamp
He referenced his own writings as justification for his "decisions" for the Bush administration.

They didn't even go to Ashcroft (who oddly comes out of that disaster looking like the only sane one) they went straight to Yoo. As Jany Mayer quoted in "The Dark Side" -- "they had their own doctor to write the prescriptions for drugs they were already taking"

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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 06:04 PM
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28. I remember that.
Like Dick Cheney planting rumors in the media, then quoting them in order to support his insanity like they weren't just made-up bullshit to begin with.


How Yoo doesn't get laughed out of a courtroom or classroom is beyond me.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 06:40 PM
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30. That is how sociopaths work
they have a game that no one else is aware is going on until the game is in the second quarter.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 03:24 PM
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17. What a loser.
nt
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 03:29 PM
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18. I can't help but smile when I read stuff like this.
It's just too funny.
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 04:45 PM
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19. I truly do hope Mr. Yoo keeps talking. Each opportunity that comes
up he seizes on it to defend his position out loud in the press; Spitzer skewered him last night on CNN.

As important as I believe it is for Spitzer to have done that, my hope is that since Yoo is a young man, one day, I do think it
not inconceivable he is tried at The Hague. So KEEP TALKING YOO!

The Green Light was a great expose into the likes of Yoo, Addington and the Bush Regime.

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But Sands’s work is important because he has looked carefully at the chronology: what came first, the decision to use torture techniques, or the legal rationale for them?

Gonzales and Haynes laid out their case with considerable care. The only flaw was that every element of the argument contained untruths. The real story, pieced together from many hours of interviews with most of the people involved in the decisions about interrogation, goes something like this: The Geneva decision was not a case of following the logic of the law but rather was designed to give effect to a prior decision to take the gloves off and allow coercive interrogation; it deliberately created a legal black hole into which the detainees were meant to fall. The new interrogation techniques did not arise spontaneously from the field but came about as a direct result of intense pressure and input from Rumsfeld’s office. The Yoo-Bybee Memo was not simply some theoretical document, an academic exercise in blue-sky hypothesizing, but rather played a crucial role in giving those at the top the confidence to put pressure on those at the bottom. And the practices employed at Guantánamo led to abuses at Abu Ghraib.

The fingerprints of the most senior lawyers in the administration were all over the design and implementation of the abusive interrogation policies. Addington, Bybee, Gonzales, Haynes, and Yoo became, in effect, a torture team of lawyers, freeing the administration from the constraints of all international rules prohibiting abuse.

Sands’s article and book put “the torture team”–the group of more than a half dozen Bush Administration lawyers who gave the green light for the introduction of torture–into sharp focus.

The lawyers in Washington were playing a double game. They wanted maximum pressure applied during interrogations, but didn’t want to be seen as the ones applying it—they wanted distance and deniability. They also wanted legal cover for themselves. A key question is whether Haynes and Rumsfeld had knowledge of the content of these memos before they approved the new interrogation techniques for al-Qahtani. If they did, then the administration’s official narrative—that the pressure for new techniques, and the legal support for them, originated on the ground at Guantánamo, from the “aggressive major general” and his staff lawyer—becomes difficult to sustain. More crucially, that knowledge is a link in the causal chain that connects the keyboards of Feith and Yoo to the interrogations of Guantánamo.

When did Haynes learn that the Justice Department had signed off on aggressive interrogation? All indications are that well before Haynes wrote his memo he knew what the Justice Department had advised the C.I.A. on interrogations and believed that he had legal cover to do what he wanted. Everyone in the upper echelons of the chain of decision-making that I spoke with, including Feith, General Myers, and General Tom Hill (the commander of SouthCom), confirmed to me that they believed at the time that Haynes had consulted Justice Department lawyers. Moreover, Haynes was a close friend of Bybee’s. “Jim was tied at the hip with Jay Bybee,” Thomas Romig, the army’s former judge advocate general, told me. “He would quote him the whole time.” Later, when asked during Senate hearings about his knowledge of the Yoo-Bybee Memo, Haynes would variously testify that he had not sought the memo, had not shaped its content, and did not possess a copy of it—but he carefully refrained from saying that he was unaware of its contents. Haynes, with whom I met on two occasions, will not speak on the record about this subject.

Sands notes the focal role that the torture lawyers saw for the Attorney General’s opinion power. It was, as Harvard law professor Jack Goldsmith suggested in a recent book, a device that could be used to give a sort of pardon in advance for persons undertaking criminal acts.

in full: http://harpers.org/archive/2008/04/hbc-90002779
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Spirochete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 04:55 PM
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20. Guess he wanted torture footage
for his new wack off material or something...
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Distant Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 05:09 PM
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22. TOTAL, ABYSMAL FAILURE! Should have arrested OBL. All Republicans should express outraged!
And just watch them loose the public! DOWN! DOWN! DOWN!
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 05:53 PM
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26. He did he reference himself ?
He referenced his own writings as justification for his "decisions" for the Bush administration.

They didn't even go to Ashcroft (who oddly comes out of that disaster looking like the only sane one) they went straight to Yoo. As Jany Mayer quoted in "The Dark Side" -- "they had their own doctor to write the prescriptions for drugs they were already taking"

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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 05:54 PM
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27. Wait? Who said that?
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 06:32 PM
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29. The Repubs didn't waste any time finding a minority to spill their puke out. nt
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