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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 01:41 PM
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The Bible Should Be Taught In Schools
Edited on Tue May-17-11 01:41 PM by no limit
Many Christians argue that creationism should be taught in school as an alternative to the THEORY of evolution. They always like to put emphasis on the word “theory” when talking about evolution, which is a bit funny since they don’t do the same with the theory of gravity when talking about it nor the theory of electromagnetism when turning on their iPad. But I digress.

I don’t agree with the idea that we should teach creationism in our science classes until somebody comes up with actual scientific evidence for it which would then make it science. But I do think teaching the Christian bible along with other important religious texts in our history classes would be a great idea.

I was raised a Polish catholic. Being a Polish catholic came with the added bonus of a government mandated catholic education which taught you there was never any reason to question your holy book. What I always found a bit odd about this education is that it never concentrated on the history of where the books we were told we have no reason to question came from. We were studying ancient stories that came long before Jesus but we were never studying where the story of Jesus, and the entire basis of our faith, actually came from. Imagine my shock as someone who was raised in this environment when I finally decided to study the history of the bible on my own accord. I wish someone had told me sooner that the reason I was giving up my Sundays each week was because of books that were written 30 to 70 years after Jesus by anonymous authors based on second hand accounts from people that never actually witnessed Jesus alive.

And to make it worse after these stories were finally written throughout the centuries people picked and chose what they wanted to believe by editing the bible down. One of the versions that came out of this process which people today still actually believe was influenced by a guy that figured that instead of beheading his wives every time he wanted a new one it would be much easier to simply change the bible. Too bad he didn’t think of that a little sooner.

What really put the nail in the coffin was the fact that there were hundreds of Gods before Jesus that are in many ways the same as Jesus. As Gerald Massey originally wrote about and Bill Mahr pointed out in the movie Religulous one of them was the ancient Egyptian God Horus.

Like Jesus Horus was the son of God and was born on December 25th. He was born to a virgin mother, baptized in a river and was later killed by crucifixion. 3 days after the crucifixion? You guessed it! Resurrected. During his life it was taught that he was a miracle worker that healed the sick, cast out demons, and walked on water. And the most recent writings we have of him came 25 centuries before Jesus.

When I first studied this history I tried to justify it as much as I could but there are only so many justifications you can make before you sound like that poor homeless guy on the street corner screaming about the end of times.

Based on my experiences I think teaching the accurate history of the bible, which you will find most Christians don’t dispute, would be a important addition to the curriculum taught in our history classes. And I don’t want to make it sounds like I only want the bible to be covered, that is not the case. Other religious texts that have an important role in our society should also be taught.

I am also not calling for schools to teach that religion is wrong, people that know the history of any particular religion can make up their own minds in that regard. But everyone should have an opportunity to study this history and learn from it. The goal of teaching history is to have a society that understands important events that shaped the society we live in and I don’t think anyone can argue that various religious texts had and continue to have a huge influence on our world.

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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 01:44 PM
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1. "The bible is a book with some beautiful poetry, a bloodstained history,
a wealth of obscenity, and upwards of 10,000 lies." Mark Twain
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SoCalNative Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 01:45 PM
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2. As long as it's taught as a work of LITERATURE
like it is in college courses then fine.
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Ron Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 01:46 PM
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3. Comparative religion is a part of education, and public school years are not too early
for such exploration.
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 02:10 PM
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11. You think school boards would allow actual comparison of Xtianity
to any other religion in their precious schools?
Only insofar as Xtianity is shown to be always correct and how all the others are flawed.
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Fuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 02:15 PM
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13. That's the big question right there. As a reformed christian, I actually wouldn't object
to religion classes if they would be objective and inclusive. It would be a great exercise in thinking. But it would never actually be that in 90% of the classrooms in this country, sadly.
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 01:46 PM
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4. the bible is so bloody boring.
badly written jibberish. Id rather read about Thor and Odin.
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larkrake Donating Member (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 01:48 PM
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5. and what is accurate? The fact remains the Bible was written by man
Edited on Tue May-17-11 01:50 PM by larkrake
and is subject to the interpretation of that mans beliefs. The Bible hense, is an opinion piece, given to fantasy or hearsay in an era when cultures believed in many gods, "magic", dragons, sirens, sea monsters and demons.Might as well believe in the Lord of the Rings.
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 01:51 PM
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6. It's not about whats in the bible, it's about where the bible came from.
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wickerwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 12:07 AM
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16. And its about how its been used for the past 2000 years.
You can't really understand most pre-20th century Western literature, art and even music if you don't have at least a passing familiarity with what's in the Bible.

And honestly, there's no better source of new atheists than young people who actually read the words that are in the Bible. All that racism, genocide, slavery, misogyny, child-sacrifice and just flat ignorance and intolerance... how can you not be moved to really think about what it all means and whether or not you want anything to do with it? It's actually a brilliant text for teaching beginning critical thinking.

But the problem with religious education is that a lot of it comes down to who is teaching it. It's bad enough that we can't keep ignorant dogmatists out of science education (and even math- see that idiot that told the Muslim girl she must be sad that Osama is dead). Can you imagine some of the crap they would try to pass as "unbiased" or "non-denominational"?
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Dawson Leery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 01:52 PM
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7. This will become a backdoor to teaching religion in school.
There is no way in which this can be supported.
:thumbsdown:
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 02:04 PM
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9. What other history do you not want to teach because you're afraid of "backdoors"?
Should we not teach about Hitler because idiot conservatives might take the wrong conclusions out of it?
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Distant Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 01:59 PM
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8. The last 2k years cannot be understood without knowledge of the biblical stories

I find historical or philosophical conversations with friends, of Christian and non-Christian persuasion, who don't have that knowledge to be either fairly shallow or rather convoluted.
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 02:09 PM
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10. The bible was a good book of history
along with a lot of fairy tales and contemporary novels of those times.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 02:11 PM
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12. Philosophy, religious history
not quite history... unless you want to do Biblical history, which is all kinds of fun.

Suffice it to say of the old testament the first five books are bunk... Noah, yep a story of Mesopotamian origin... Moses, ditto... the song of songs, almost to the word a poetry piece 1000 years older from Egypt...

Oh and I much prefer Mithra to Horus.

:-)

Yes, same exact myth, with different names.
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 09:01 AM
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20. If we learn about greek mythology and the history of it why not the bible?
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 06:12 PM
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14. Sure, if you put it in between Greek/Roman mythology, Aesop's Fables, and
Edited on Tue May-17-11 06:12 PM by no_hypocrisy
Grimms' Fairy Tales.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 11:40 PM
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15. Only as comedy
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 12:12 AM
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17. Math should be taught in church.
What's the value of Pi? White Jesus

Solve for 'x'. X equals White Jesus.

Pythagorean Theorem? Salvation = White Jesus.
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 09:00 AM
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19. Did you not read the post? Just the title?
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