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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-11 01:12 AM
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Tens of thousands protest throughout Spain, defying government ban



Tens of thousands protestors continue to occupy Madrid’s Puerta del Sol and have gathered in the main squares of another 162 towns and cities across Spain in protest over unemployment, government austerity measures and a political system that serves only the banks and big business.

Calling for “Real Democracy Now”, the protests are also known as the M-15 movement, the day they were first called by social network and internet groups, drawing a massive response from younger workers, students, the unemployed and broad sectors of Spanish working people.

The protests continued into their sixth day Friday in defiance of the Madrid Electoral Board, which banned demonstrations in the capital ahead of Sunday’s municipal and regional elections.

On Thursday night, Spain’s central election commission passed a resolution prohibiting rallies throughout the country for Saturday, which is designated as a pre-election “day of reflection”, and for Sunday, when the vote takes place for municipal and regional governments.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2011/may2011/spai-m21.shtml
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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-11 01:21 AM
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1. Yawn
Spain is far away, and this protest won't accomplish anything or has anything to do with life in the US. We have our own problems to solve.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-11 01:23 AM
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2. I think you just drove Hannah's point home ..
Americans are insular and remarkably passive in the face of governmental outrages.

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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-11 01:27 AM
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3. maybe so
Still, I don't care what happens in Spain, or Libya. We have enough problems to deal with in this country.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-11 01:28 AM
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4. yawn
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-11 01:32 AM
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-11 07:08 AM
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19. Wow---
American Exceptionalism turned on its head.
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-11 07:16 PM
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22. This is a problem. This attitude is EXACTLY what
GLOBAL capitalism wants out of every citizen of every country. Don't you think that the capitalists in EVERY country are united in the WORLDWIDE attack on worker's rights? Until the workers are just as united as the global capitalists, we won't get ANYWHERE in fighting this. Read up a little about internationalism. It's the only way we can really fight them.
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johnroshan Donating Member (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-11 04:26 AM
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9. wow! nt
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-11 04:31 AM
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10. The fuck you say.
:thumbsdown:

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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-11 07:05 PM
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21. Fuck the neo-liberals..
Edited on Sat May-21-11 07:15 PM by girl gone mad
here, there and everywhere. The working people of the world don't want to support these parasites any longer. You can join the fight or you can step aside, but you can't stop this movement.



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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-11 02:37 AM
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6. The real anti-system people are the sharks who ripped the financial system to shreds
Spain's electoral commission late on Thursday declared that protests planned for Saturday and for Sunday are illegal as they "go beyond the constitutionally guaranteed right to demonstrate."

Saturday is by law "a day of reflection" ahead of the local elections, meaning political activity is barred. But organisers of the spearhead protest in Madrid vowed to defy the ban.

Interior Minister Alfredo Perez Rubalcaba said Friday that police "will enforce the law" against the protesters but "in a proportional manner." But Spain's leading daily El Pais quoted government sources as saying police will only intervene if there is violence. "The fact that the gatherings are banned in not enough reason for the police to act" against the demonstrators, the centre-left paper said on its website.

Calling for "Real Democracy Now," the protests, popularly known as M-15, were called to condemn Spain's soaring unemployment, economic crisis, politicians in general, and corruption.

Spain's Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, whose Socialist Party is facing a crushing defeat in Sunday's polls, on Friday voiced sympathy for the protesters, saying they were reacting to unemployment and the economic crisis "in a peaceful manner."

/... http://www.france24.com/en/20110521-spanish-anti-crisis-protesters-cheer-ban-takes-effect


The media seems puzzled, too. Abroad it is portrayed – mistakenly – as a protest against the government's austerity measures, approved a year ago. In Spain, newspapers are also awash with analysis trying to understand the supposedly complex nature of a political movement that is seen as something radically new. At times it's characterised as "post-democratic" or "trans-ideological", a "new way of understanding politics" or even a "rejection of politics". The unsurprising fact that many of those taking part possess mobile phones and computers also allows for the now mandatory amazement at the power of the internet. So is it ideology or technology?

...

The makeup of the protestors is not that mysterious if you take a walk in the square. Those who camp there are unmistakeably part of the anti-globalisation camp, focused in social causes (immigrants' rights, world hunger), idealistic, often naive, and with a strong anti-capitalist bent. They're actually very few.

What is new here is that at times they're reinforced by a much wider and down-to-earth crowd. It's comprised of pensioners, passersby and angry parents, but still mostly of university students. The People's party knows these are not their potential voters. If they're angry at the Socialists it is because they feel it has shifted to the right in the economy, which is true. The hardcore may be "post-democratic", but the ensemble is certainly not "trans-ideological".

I believe this is the key to understanding this protest. For all its far-reaching rhetoric, it addresses solely the left. It ultimately represents the frustration of those who see that it doesn't matter which way you vote, the economic policies are dictated by the markets; hence the critique of "the system" and the demands of accountability and transparency. Most of the protesters seem to be the people who voted Socialist in 2008 only to prevent a win for the People's party. They don't want their vote to be taken for granted yet again.

/... http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/may/20/spain-protesting-angry-ones?intcmp=239


Although they complain about Spain's two-party system, Gándara and Aguirre underscore the fact that they are not trying to delegitimize the act of voting, and actually encourage people to do so in good faith in Sunday's regional and municipal elections. "We are neither anarchists nor working against the system; we're just ordinary people," says Gándara. "The real anti-system people are the sharks who ripped the financial system to shreds," says Aguirre.

Regarding the May 15 demonstration that sparked the Madrid camp-out, Aguirre and Gándara feel that all they did was light the fuse of a feeling of dissatisfaction that was there all the time. Their message? That civil society must have a greater presence in politics, and for politicians to no longer be able to work "with a blank check."

"We're talking about participatory democracy at the local level, about participatory budgets and referendums," says Gándara. "We want politicians to be managers of citizen demands," adds Aguirre. "We don't want to remove the politicians ? we want them to come down to street level."

/... http://www.elpais.com/articulo/english/We/don/t/want/to/remove/the/politicians/-/we/want/them/elpepueng/20110519elpeng_4/Ten
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-11 03:13 AM
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7. interesting, thanks.
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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-11 03:51 AM
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8. k/r
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-11 05:57 AM
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11. The police were there, but made no attempt to move them
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-11 06:29 AM
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15. Heh, you don't move that many people without people dying and bad shit happening.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-11 06:03 AM
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12. Watched on BBC
Get up Stand up! Stand up for your Rights!!



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13482868
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-11 06:09 AM
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13. recommend
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-11 06:27 AM
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14. My favorite two pics, must see:




"In this country one can camp out for a Justin Beiber concert and to see the latest Twilight movie but not to defend your rights... we're not leaving!!!"
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-11 06:30 AM
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16. Another:


For rent: Slave
400 Euros a month
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-11 06:32 AM
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17. Live stream here:
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/motionlook

Shame the Trotskyites are trying to take advantage of this one but ignoring the others around the world (particularly Arab Spring).
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-11 06:57 AM
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18. That's not true

The Trots have done a pretty good job of covering and analyzing all of these events. I certainly have my problems with the Trots, they've never seen an actual socialist revolution that they liked, but in this respect they perform a valuable service.
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-11 07:22 PM
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23. Well thanks for that pig.....
Edited on Sat May-21-11 07:29 PM by socialist_n_TN
I think. :)

We just believe in bottom up revolution rather than top down. That's why we're on top of these international things. They're all bottom up. Plus they're international and that's RIGHT in our wheelhouse.
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-11 07:27 PM
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24. BTW, the Trotskyists aren't "ignoring" the Arab Spring
There have been MANY articles and reports on the ME on Trotskyist web sites. I've SEEN them. Also, there has been lots of reporting on other trouble spots around the globe INCLUDING in this country AND the problems in Greece.

The problem for Trotskyists in the ME is there's not a of Marxists PERIOD. We report, but have a harder time trying to INFLUENCE events because the base isn't there. Yet.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-11 11:28 AM
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20. HUGE K & R !!!
:kick:
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-11 08:29 PM
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25. kick
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