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Playinghardball (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 02:04 PM Original message |
Feds threaten to ground Texas airplanes if anti-groping bill becomes law |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
1. Gotta love all the hope and change going on at the Federal level! |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 03:43 PM Response to Reply #1 |
33. Compare to Candidate Obama's promise to end FAA's exclusive regulation of aircraft operation! |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
2. So TSA now "ensures the safety of passengers and crew"? |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
3. If even a single American is able to fly unmolested then the terrorists will have won |
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GoneOffShore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 08:36 PM Response to Reply #3 |
53. Well, the terrorists have won now. And they are the TSA. |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 08:42 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Oh, please n/t |
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GoneOffShore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 08:52 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. The TSA treats everyone as "guilty until groped" - |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 10:58 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. It's a security checkpoint... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 01:03 AM Response to Reply #57 |
66. Deleted message |
GoneOffShore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 08:24 PM Response to Reply #57 |
80. It's "Security Kabuki" sunshine. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 08:48 AM Response to Reply #56 |
72. Where were you when the metal detectors were installed in the late 60's? |
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GoneOffShore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 08:27 PM Response to Reply #72 |
82. I understand that. The Nude o scope and the grope go too far. |
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Lucian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 08:29 PM Response to Reply #3 |
83. What a stupid post. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-27-11 09:03 AM Response to Reply #83 |
87. Glad I could piss off the pro-groping crowd |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
4. Could you explain precisely how... |
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Sinistrous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 02:41 PM Response to Reply #4 |
12. The cutely legalistic phrase: |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 02:42 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Jesus... |
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Sinistrous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 08:30 PM Response to Reply #13 |
51. Essentially, |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 08:40 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. Bullshit... |
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Sinistrous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 11:05 PM Response to Reply #54 |
58. I hope you had fun with your little game. Your expedition into |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 12:56 AM Response to Reply #58 |
61. LOL! |
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Sinistrous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 10:36 AM Response to Reply #61 |
75. Over your head, eh? |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 10:44 AM Response to Reply #75 |
76. Ummm, no... |
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Scuba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
5. "offensive to a reasonable person" Who writes this stuff? |
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MrCoffee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 02:46 PM Response to Reply #5 |
16. The "reasonable person" standard is the primary determination regarding duty of care |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 02:55 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. You're assuming that... |
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Fleshdancer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
6. Does anyone think the feds would actually do this? |
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MrDiaz (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 02:20 PM Response to Original message |
7. I hope |
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demosincebirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 02:32 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. never heard of that. Have a link? |
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MrDiaz (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 03:36 PM Response to Reply #9 |
26. No link |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 02:21 PM Response to Original message |
8. I'll be happy to drive out of state. Or take a bus. |
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ileus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 02:36 PM Response to Original message |
10. Feds are upset they can't molest citizens....humm... |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 02:38 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. It's pretty silly to think the TSA... |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 04:12 PM Response to Reply #11 |
38. Except for those cases where TSA agents have been arrested for child molestation, |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 04:15 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. You need to study the logical fallacies of... |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 04:18 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Interesting how you like to address issues of semantics and logic, |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 04:19 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Dude... |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 04:24 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Again, addressing style, not substance. |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 04:27 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Logic isn't about "style"... |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 02:43 PM Response to Original message |
14. "Recklessly the anus"? |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 03:18 PM Response to Reply #14 |
21. I hate when that happens. n/t |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 03:40 PM Response to Reply #21 |
30. Masterpiece Theater Presents: "Great First Half-Sentences In English Literature" |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 11:07 PM Response to Reply #14 |
59. They accidentally the whole thing. nt |
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Boojatta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 09:37 PM Response to Reply #14 |
85. "Recklessly the anus" |
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1awake (852 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 02:44 PM Response to Original message |
15. thanks to this its dead in the water..or airport. n/t |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
17. Doesn't Texas already have sexual assault and groping laws on the books?... |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 02:54 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Its not sexual assault if you consent. When you buy your ticket, there is implied consent to |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 12:57 AM Response to Reply #18 |
63. WTF are you talking about? |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 01:02 AM Response to Reply #63 |
65. You agree to FAA regulations... |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 01:06 AM Response to Reply #63 |
68. Further to what the other responder said... |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 08:50 AM Response to Reply #63 |
73. Because the operation of aircraft is subject to FAA regulations |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 10:54 PM Response to Reply #63 |
86. So you would say I could light up a cigarette on the plane? Since my ticket is only about |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 03:02 PM Response to Original message |
20. How about a compromise? Let the passengers grope the gropers to an equal extent? |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 03:33 PM Response to Original message |
22. A far more sober assessment: |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
23. Texas should tell them to bring it on. Good for Texas. |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 03:36 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Not really... |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 03:38 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. I still think they should. It's about time someone stands up to this ridiculous stuff. |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 03:40 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Well, good for you... |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 03:41 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Thanks. I can't believe democrats have no problem with the overreach of the TSA. |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 03:44 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Maybe they have a better grasp of... |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 03:48 PM Response to Reply #29 |
35. The law was also on the side of Jim Crow, slavery, anti-sodomy laws, no vote for women... |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 03:51 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Look up the "Supremacy Clause"... |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
24. "The govt reserves it's right to cop a feel from whomever they choose in airports" |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 03:42 PM Response to Reply #24 |
32. It is the country in which operation of aircraft is governed exclusively by FAA regulations |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 04:11 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. So unlawful searches and blatant violations of the 4th amendment.. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 04:15 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. You have to stop putting my posts through Google Translate into Urdu and back |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 04:21 PM Response to Reply #39 |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 04:25 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. They aren't "crimes"... |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 01:23 PM Response to Reply #39 |
77. I don't speak Urdu, not sure why you think I do.. |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 01:33 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. For the last time... |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 04:16 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. They aren't... |
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Shagbark Hickory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
27. I guess this is a call to the airline lobbiests... time to pay your dues. |
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lildreamer316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 04:58 PM Response to Original message |
48. I really can't believe there are people here who think the 4th amendment is obsolete. |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 05:01 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. Maybe you should review... |
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COLGATE4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 05:16 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Remember the old adage: Trying to argue legal issues with a |
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yawnmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 08:26 PM Response to Reply #50 |
81. and that is very sad. eom |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 08:35 PM Response to Original message |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 12:37 AM Response to Original message |
60. Let's go at this from another direction... |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 08:47 AM Response to Reply #60 |
71. They've already started... |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 12:56 AM Response to Original message |
62. Let them do it. Airlines won't be happy. Passengers won't be happy. |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 01:00 AM Response to Reply #62 |
64. "Maybe finally people will take notice of what TSA is doing" |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 01:04 AM Response to Reply #64 |
67. Clearly not outraged enough. And you thought wrong. |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 01:14 AM Response to Reply #67 |
69. Why not? |
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kickysnana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 02:07 AM Response to Original message |
70. I'm with Texas on this one. n/t |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 09:19 AM Response to Original message |
74. Didn't the suicidal good ole boy who flew a plane into a federal building come from Texas? |
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ceile (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 01:27 PM Response to Reply #74 |
78. Happened in Austin. |
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Scottybeamer70 (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 09:12 PM Response to Original message |
84. TSA has never |
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