? for women of DU: How would you feel if Palin or Bachmann won the presidency?

[apples and oranges]

Would a small part of you be happy that a woman finally broke the glass ceiling of the presidency? How would you process a Palin or Bachmann victory? Would you find yourself rooting for them?

[PeaceNikki]

1. mortified

[flpab]

94. move to another country

I would be so mortified...

[undeterred]

2. Horrified.

They are stupid women.

[LiberalLoner]

3. Oh, HELL NO!!!! I would be horrified, terrified, disgusted, sickened, and

would ever more frantically beg my husband to get us out of the USA.

[northoftheborder]

54. Ditto a million million.

[me b zola]

4. sick to my stomach

:puke:

[demmiblue]

5. What a stupid OP. n/t

[PeaceNikki]

7. This, also, too.

[apples and oranges]

11. Recent events with Ed Schultz proved that solidarity between women crossed

party lines. So maybe my OP is stupid, but I'm still curious.

[demmiblue]

13. How so? n/t

[apples and oranges]

17. Were you not around during that week?

:shrug:

[demmiblue]

20. I am waiting to hear your explanation, transparent as it always is. n/t

[PeaceNikki]

23. You think people saying that she shouldn't be characterized as a "slut" somehow might translate as

support?!?!

Weird. And way off-base and wrong-headed.

[apples and oranges]

32. Hear me out. I was thinking that women of all stripes might find themselves regularly

defending Palin or Bachmann from the onslaught of sexist attacks that ANY female president would face. That constant defense could eventually lead to support.

[PeaceNikki]

36. I disagree. I think sexist attacks are indefensible and awful, but will never "support" the assholes

I can decipher the delicate balance of differences. The reality is that there is enough SHIT to sling at them that's not related to their lady-parts and making it about their lady parts is wrong, petty and totally irrelevent.

[demmiblue]

39. No, it couldn't. P.S. us wimmins are a little more sophisticated than that. n/t

[fishwax]

44. no, thinking that sexist attacks are appalling is in no way the same as support

[scarletwoman]

98. Yeah. Just like objecting to the word "n****r" translates into support for Clarence Thomas.

Logic epic fail.

[Le Taz Hot]

112. ROFL!!!

OMG. High five! :rofl:

[demmiblue]

33. Apparently, he does.

Because, gasp, many liberal woman do not appreciate the slut tag regardless of political affiliation.

Oh Noes!

[WinkyDink]

92. NOT an answer.

[Le Taz Hot]

111. +1

My first reaction as well. Will we then go into something like, "Well, if we continue to criticize President Obama, then that's what we'll get!!!!111!!!!!!" I don't know, maybe I'm jaded but I've seen this "argument" 1,536,503 times on DU before . . . and that's just this year.

[ScreamingMeemie]

6. Who? Never heard of them.

[Aerows]

8. They wouldn't be a victor whatsoever for women

because they are anti-woman, and pro-Christian patriarchy (for every other woman but themselves).

[JitterbugPerfume]

9. it would put womens causes back

to the 1950s

[housewolf]

10. I'd hate it

I'd be wanting to leave the country.

I'm not so loyal to my gender as to root for or celebrate the election of someone I think would be horribly detrimental to the country. I'm sure I wouldn't want to be living here under a Palin or Bachmann Christianist regime.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

12. 5th

[supernova]

14. Mortified and appalled

that the women's moment has culminated in these air blown ditzy nitwits.

[adigal]

15. I would leave. I would sell and leave this country

and move to Nova Scotia in a heartbeat. I would be horrified.

[hlthe2b]

16. Beyond horrified.... ready to pack my bags for foreign shores.

[w8liftinglady]

18. no. I would feel like we lost 50 years of trying in one election

There is nothing "pro-life" about these b&tches.
They have cheapened everything women have struggled to gain with their bullshit propaganda.

I would be disgusted.

[LeftishBrit]

19. That moment came for me over 30 years ago...

in 1979, when Maggie Thatcher became Prime Minister.

I can still remember my despair and fury. Though just a teenager then, I already had a pretty accurate guess as to how awful she would be (though mercifully not how long she would stay). I can tell you that there was NO sense of being glad that a woman was finally PM, not if it was her.

I'm female by the way!

ETA: And even Maggie wasn't as bad as either of those two would be!

[apples and oranges]

26. Great answer, thanks!

[Lars39]

21. Rooting for *them*? Hell, no.

Our *country* is what needs help, and if any of the GOP candidates win we're going to see hard times like has never before been seen. I'd be angry if either one of those idiots came even close. I want a smart woman or man for president.

[RKP5637]

22. Palin is an embarrassment to women and the country. n/t

[underseasurveyor]

24. Sick, depressed, embarrassed and ashamed.

Neither of those women represent anything real or intelligent.

Dare I say... I'd rather have the idiot son back in office than either of one of them. GOD somebody slap me for even thinking that much less saying it out-loud :cry:

[PDJane]

25. No. Either one is letting down the side.

There are better choices than either one of them.

[Richardo]

27. That is, if you'll pardon the term, a very patronizing question.

[Zephie]

28. Just because they have a vagina doesn't mean that I feel any sisterhood towards them

I'm sure they have no sisterhood towards me either. Most (I'd hazard to say ALL) women here who aren't freeper trolls would agree.

[shanti]

68. thank you!

:thumbsup:

[mko421]

29. BETRAYED

If anyone of their ilk should win the US presidency, I would feel completely betrayed. I can't fathom any reason to be proud of either of them, for anything they have done or may do in their political ventures.

Thanks for asking!!

[ProfessorGAC]

81. Great Answer!

And welcome to DU!

[Auntie Bush]

89. Welcome to a great site.

But put your thick skin on.

[Raine]

30. Embarassed and humiliated that anyone might think she is representative of my sex. nt

:-(

[ohheckyeah]

31. Why would I be happy that some right-wing nut case

was president? The presence of a vagina would make it even more embarrassing since I find it embarrassing to share a gender with these two nut balls.

[OHdem10]

34. Since I cannot see them as serious candidates, I would be

overwhelmed with dismay.

[proud2BlibKansan]

35. I would have to stifle the urge to projectile vomit

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[seabeyond]

38. poor representation .... nt

[Wait Wut]

40. Huh?

Why are you asking only women? Are our brains that much different?

I don't vote for vaginas or penises, I vote for and support intelligence. I hope that answers your question.

On second thought, I understand your confusion. When Hillary lost the nomination I did see a lot of insanity on the vagina bearing Hillaryites that vowed to destroy (then Senator) Barack Obama's campaign by voting for (McCain) Palin. Believe it or not, there are just as many moronic women in this world than men.

I retract my opening sarcasm.

[RaleighNCDUer]

69. I have always thought the vast majority of those to whom you refer

were stealth republicans who were backing Hillary because 1) she was not Obama, and 2) they knew they how they could fight Hillary in the general election - having "Hillarycare" and Whitewater and Vince Foster and all of Bill's pecadillos to draw on.

Hillary was the candidate they WANTED to campaign against.

[Drale]

41. I'm not a women but

If either of them became president it would set the womens movement back at least 30 years.

[Avalux]

42. Embarrassed and Depressed.

Happy a woman finally broke the glass ceiling? Hardly. If one of them would win, it would be because of their sex appeal and ability to work people up into an angry mob, not because of their brain.

I think I'd leave the country.

[lunatica]

43. Liars, cheats and grifters are just as bad when they're women.

I don't root for Liars and grifters

[DevonRex]

45. Embarrassed. And fuck NO I wouldn't root for either.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

46. no

[AsahinaKimi]

47. If either of them won, it would be proof of a rigged election..

America is not that Stupid..just a small portion of right wing idiots are out there.

[Diclotican]

75. AsahinaKimi

AsahinaKimi

That was the same I said about americans in 1999-2000 when GWB was on a ticket... America are not THAT stupid to elect the most stupid of the two candidates...

And then they managed not just to elect him once (who could have been an accident) but in fact elected the man twice...

So, Im not suprised if they managed to elect the worst of the candidates in 2012.. Everything is posible in US this days... EVEN to elect peopole who are clearly mental candidates, or outright pscykopaths who should have been in a mental institution for the rest of their natural life.

Diclotican

[ProfessorGAC]

84. Don't Agree With Your Extended Logic

While his "win" in 2000 might be disappointing, it was clear that if 9/11 hadn't happened, he would have been run out of D.C. on a rail in 2004. The only thing that kept him there was one freak event and mass fear.
GAC

[Diclotican]

109. ProfessorGAC

ProfessorGAC

The "win" he got in 2000, was indeed a disepoint for most of the world.. It was quiete a shooc to discover that many americans, clearly wanted mr stupid as their next president. I was sure Al Gore had won - 8 hour later, clearly it was not the case..

But of course, if sept 11 had never happend, mr Stupid would have been run out of office, and DC by 2004 thats for sure. He might even got down in history as one of the dumbest president in US history.. Even for the right wingers.. The whole affair around 11 sept 2001, was something GWB, and his Administration was using, for all 8 year when they was in power.. And the AMERICAN public was pretty good at going scary too...

Diclotican

[ProfessorGAC]

113. Same Page

Looks like we agree completely.

And, you're really right in your last line. We ran and hid like rabbits in a briar patch fire.
GAC

[AsahinaKimi]

101. No...

The first time the Supreme court gave it to Bush.. The second time, it was rigged. I am pretty sure of it.

[Diclotican]

108. AsahinaKimi

AsahinaKimi

If we should belive the peopole who supported GWB, he wa elected by a landslide.. And the iregularities, as in FLorida where they managed to play a game with ten of thousands of woters before the supreme cort desided GWB won, even tho ten of thousands of woters never got counted, and a lot of the paper documents after that, destroyed so all evidence about vote fixing could be proven for the world...

The second time, in 2004, it was a lot of iregularietes there too.. In some states the iregularities was clear as the day, in other states, the iregularities was less clearly, but specially whit the machines, it was cleary a form of voting scandal.. And a lot of this, are not been fixed, and would not be fixed before election in 2012.. SO IT IS set to be posible rigged as we speak...

Diclotican

[fredamae]

48. They disgrace all women.

They are nothing more than corporate shills that have a lot more makeup on than their male counterparts.

A corporate shill is neither party nor gender exclusive.

[demtenjeep]

49. fuck no

.

[notadmblnd]

50. I would never root for two crazies

it would not be a good thing for Palin or Bachmann to win the presidency. One go around with them would forever ruin it for any sensible, intelligent woman to run in the future.

[nenagh]

51. I'd be angry.. that she won..

terrified with what she'd do to the country.. and afraid that the voting machines were hacked.

[Fleshdancer]

52. Disgusted if they win and angry at the media for assuming I voted for them

Most of all though, I would be pissed that the election was stolen so blatantly.

[Blue_In_AK]

53. Are you crazy????

I don't vote with my uterus. Sorry.

[Greybnk48]

55. like women's progress just took a major step backward

to the bad old days. I would NOT view it as a victory for women, by any stretch of the imagination.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

56. I would throw up.

[Ruby the Liberal]

57. Mortified.

Not a feminist, so I would rather be under another 100 years of male dominated rule than to have either of those twits in charge of anything.

[polmaven]

58. Women do have brains...

real ones - which you apparently do not fully realize. We do not vote based on anything other than other than a persons qualifications for whichever office s/he is running. We are actually intelligent human beings.

Your question is offensive.

[pipi_k]

59. About the same as I would if...

Paris Hilton
Snooki
Britney Spears

or any other female with less than five functioning brain cells won the presidency...


You don't put a woman in the WH only because she's a woman. There's got to be integrity and intelligence to go along with the gender.

[woodsprite]

60. Absolutely not!!! And I can't stand people that put

their gender above what these people really represent. I know so many who do and I just wanna slap 'em silly. If that's what being a feminist is, then I guess I'm not one since I'm for equality.

[BlueMTexpat]

61. Neither will win.

Frankly, the fact that they are women is the ONLY reason we are talking about them at all. They are equally as awful as, and likely worse than any of the other Republican candidates.

If anything, they make the other candidates look reasonable and intelligent in comparison. But no Republican candidate is either. If ANY one or combination of Republicans is "selected" over President Obama in 2012, then I will know that all is truly lost in this US of A. And I will not want to be in the US of A. At all.

[Hepburn]

62. Seriously ill and looking to relocate outside of the USA. n/t

[Tx4obama]

63. Palin is a disgrace to our female gender. n/t

[blondeatlast]

64. I'm sensing some major unity here (and I'm on board with it). nt

[FLyellowdog]

65. Not no,

but HELL NO! Neither of those women represent what women in politics should be. They are an embarrassment to politics in general and to women in particular. They have set back women's rights by decades and I'd rather have the dumbest Republican male in office than either of these dingbats.

:mad: :puke: :nuke: :grr:

[Whisp]

no way, not for a nanosecond. wtf?

[krabigirl]

66. I would be quickly looking to leave the country. Nt

[etherealtruth]

67. I will be happy when a bright, intelligent, experienced ...

... woman is elected president ...the two nit wits you have mentioned would horrify, mortify, disgust ....me!

[JTFrog]

70. /facepalm

[SmileyRose]

71. +1

[solara]

72. I would feel nothing but unrelenting despair

It would be a total nightmare.. almost as bad as W.

The thought of it is really depressing.

[TruthTeller]

73. TERRIFIED!

Simply TERRIFIED!

[Diclotican]

74. apples and oranges

apples and oranges

Im not a woman, but I would say that if Palin, or Bachmann or someone else of the extreme right wing womans ever managed to get a hold in the White house, as President, It wil ruin every chance of a woman ever get elected to the White House as a president ever again.. The two womans as it is, have destroyed more for womans, with their actions, for woman in US, that a man ever would have been able to do...

Woman like Backmann and Palin have destroyed or ruined at least 30-40 year work of woman rights in the US.. And that in a country, where many woman deside to be a home-wifes when they married, becouse womans duty is to keep an home tidy and children safe...

They scare the hell out of me at least, with their madness.. If they ever tried to be elected to a office in most of Europe, they would have been put into a mental institution becouse of a mental problem.. In fact I belive they would have been couth long before they ever could have been a "rising stars" in GOP.. if they was in Europe.. For all our faults, most country's in Europe do have knowlegde about mad men/woman rise to power.. And to get them out of sirculation before they do..

Diclotican

[FiveGoodMen]

76. Suicidal, of course.

Not only because of the damage they'd do, but because of the final proof that my country was nothing more than the outpost used by hell to quarantine their intolerably stupid contingent.

Seriously, that's pretty much what we are already.

[CTyankee]

77. Jesus X in a boat! NO!

nothing more to say...they chose their path, they'll have to live and campaign by it. Too effing bad...

[Boojatta]

78. Aren't Palin and Bachmann white?

You forgot to ask all the white folks on DU how it would feel to again have a white President.

[PeaceNikki]

79. Usually I don't "get" you... but I like this.

:)

[MuseRider]

80. You can't seriously be asking this.

Really?

[REP]

82. Let me ask YOU a question. What's smoking crack like really?

[ProfessorGAC]

85. Best Reply On This Thread!

Fantastic!
GAC

[REP]

90. (blush)

I'll be here all week. Tip your servers!

[Cleita]

83. I would be disappointed that the first woman

President wasn't a Democrat. But Palin and Bachmann only have a chance if they first launch a smear campaign like what was done to John Kerry by the Swiftboaters and then cheat on the elections like George Bush did.

[LadyHawkAZ]

86. I'd be looking to change my gender.

No, strike that. I'd be looking to change my species.

[mcar]

87. No

Neither of these women are pro-women. They would not be breaking a glass ceiling, they'd be reinforcing it with their anti-woman, anti-family policies.

A person my have ovaries, but that doesn't make them automatically entitled to support from other Ovary-Americans, donch'a know? ;-)

[individual rights]

88. Should they feel any different than the men of DU?

[WinkyDink]

91. Do you have a fever?

[Peacetrain]

93. I do not vote with my ovaries.. I vote with my brain.. NT

[IcyPeas]

95. stupified.. stunned.. sick

[morningglory]

96. Hay-ell no! She would be representin' like a moran. nt

[ismnotwasm]

97. Disgusted

And no

[Phentex]

99. Thank you, John McCain...

thanks for posting.

:puke:

[distantearlywarning]

100. Very unhappy.

When we have our first female president, I want her to be someone I can be proud of and identify with: someone intelligent, classy, well-spoken, authoritative, a good decision-maker, etc.

Palin or Bachman would be an embarrassment to my gender. I'd rather have a talking horse in the White House than either of those two bimbos.

[calimary]

102. Horrible.

I cannot root for anyone, male or female, who wants to deny me my right to choose - MY right to have the last word about what happens within the most private and intimate parts of my own personal private body. Any woman who'd do that is a traitor to her gender.

And that's only for starters. I can't think of ANY reason to vote for either of these pathetic excuses for "female solidarity." But then when you start looking at things like their intellect (or widely and clearly demonstrable lack thereof), where they stand on economic issues, social issues, foreign policy issues - BLEEEAACCHHHH!!!!!! :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

I can't find ANYTHING redeeming in either of them. NOTHING. Uh, okay, they're females like me. And that's about the only thing we have in common.

[xmas74]

103. Time to stockpile the birth control

and all the literature I can find for sex ed.

My kid would be screwed.

[RainDog]

104. sad

I would like to be able to admire the first woman president in some way.

I find nothing to admire about either of them.

[potone]

105. Suicidal. N/T

[aaaaaa5a]

106. Is this question like asking a black person how they feel about Clarence Thomas on the Supreme Court

or the potential presidency of Herman Cain?



When will identity politics come to an end.


Its the person. Not the gender that matters.

[uppityperson]

107. Disgusted, no, be very upset, no. In other words, no no no. eom

[sarge43]

110. Well, it would confirm the old test:

True equality will be achieved when the female jerk is promoted right along with the male jerk.

Otherwise, no part of me would be happy. In fact, I'd probably lose my lunch. I'd certainly despair for this country and maybe the world.

Finally, I don't do identity politics. Because I'm white and a vet doesn't mean I rooted for McCain.

[City Lights]

114. Competency trumps gender.

I would be disgusted if either of those women became president.

[librechik]

115. ripped off--imagine, they declare they are feminists! Not hardly...

To me they are meare demagogues, not stateswomen.

[TorchTheWitch]

116. can you be more insulting? n/t