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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 05:37 AM
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Is anyone familiar with RFID?
Supposedly, there is an app that permits someone to identify all your identification that you are carrying on your person and can pick up any electronic transmissions within a certain range?

Is anyone familiar with this? It is available on the newer phones.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 05:46 AM
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1. iCarte RFID Reader for iPhone
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TexasProgresive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 05:48 AM
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2. Unique bar codes that can be read electronically.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 05:52 AM
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3. Thanks...
As usual, this techology is not always used as it is planned. People with access to your VIN# of your car can open and start your vehicle and drive it away if they so desired.
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 06:16 AM
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4. The VIN# is visible to all on a little metal plate just inside your windshield...
on your dashboard.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 06:19 AM
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5. I think this was the technology that was used to intercept Wiener's tweets?
I am told that it can intercept and identify all electronic communications within a certain distance. It is offered on the new Android by Samsung.
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 07:22 AM
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8. I'm just saying that if someone wants your VIN#, they just need to peer thru you windshield...
to look at a little metal plate on your dashboard that has your VIN# embossed on it.
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HipChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 10:22 AM
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12. Wiener tweets were not intercepted...I don't need a network scanner to look at traffic communication
I just need the exploit the weakness in the application..yfrog..that is what was done here..make something appear like it was coming from someone else's account..
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AlabamaLibrul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 01:20 PM
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18. RFID has nothing to do with intercepting email etc.
more likely, someone did the very easy trick of finding out the to-some-degree "secret" email you can send a photo to from a cell phone -- this is a feature from when full mobile Internet was not as common. You send a photo to that email, the idea being only you know it and send to it from your phone, and it goes onto your yFrog account -- photo hosting.

The new Android by Samsung RFID feature will be able to pick up.. RFID barcodes, and also you may be thinking of NFC, near field communications for mobile payments.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 06:34 AM
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6. sort of - "RF" = radio frequency
logically it is like a 'barcode' as in a digital blob of data in a standard format, but RFID uses radio waves to collect data at a distance from the object without any physical need for a manual scanning process as in the checkout counter barcode scanners. And yes many new id systems, such as passports, are coming with rfid built in so that the state can quietly check your papers without having to bother with the constitutional issue.

Just as you are tracked by cell phone, by ez-pass, by card usage, you are being tracked by rfid enabled ids you need to carry to go about your private affairs. Welcome to the grand new totalitarianism, the digital super state, where the charade of personal freedom hides a sprawling security state keeping tabs on everyone and everything they do.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 06:41 AM
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7. Another scary feature of this...
is that someone can walk by you and identify your credit card number in your purse. There are many malevolent purposes for this technology.
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Tippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 09:47 AM
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9. They now have metal case...that prevents this from happening do they work?
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TexasProgresive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 10:14 AM
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11. It should work- the metal case will shield the rfid device from
Edited on Thu Jun-02-11 10:16 AM by TexasProgresive
the interrogating transmitter's Radio Frequency (RF)
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 01:03 PM
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16. They have "ballistic nylon" ...
or you can wrap your ID's in aluminum foil and prevent them from being read.
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HipChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 09:53 AM
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10. Not correct. I have RFID cards, and you'd need a net scanning tool to pick up Weiner tweets..not tha
Edited on Thu Jun-02-11 09:54 AM by HipChick
that you even need it. There's an a weakness in the application, it's not a hack, but exploiting a vulnerability

I have RFID credit cards,most US passports are RFID enabled now too..
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One_Life_To_Give Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 10:42 AM
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14. Havn't seen a CC with RFID yet
Closest I have seen is Exxon/Mobil's "speed pass". The standard magnetic strip on a CC can't be read while in your purse any better than a stereo can play a cassette tape in your purse.
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HipChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 01:43 PM
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20. All of my Chase Credit cards have them for the last couple of years, so does my Passport
Edited on Thu Jun-02-11 01:44 PM by HipChick
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One_Life_To_Give Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 03:04 PM
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25. Been interesting reading.
The Passport should be just a number that can be cross referenced to a database. The real question is from how many feet away can one Skim card numbers?
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One_Life_To_Give Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 10:35 AM
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13. Adding it to new products now.
It's a device/circuit that is
1) Powered by RF energy sent from the device reader or other such RF transmitter.
2) Responds with the unique identifier number assigned to it when triggered.

The device itself knows nothing about itself other than it's unique identifier. However databases can be made that link the identifier to other information such as device model name and serial number.

While it could be added to a cell phone. It uses much lower frequencies so it requires a totally separate dedicated transceiver. Probably not going to be added to the average cell phone. But may be able to find a Bluetooth or Wired interface device eventually.

As with all such devices security is related to the distance over which it can be scanned/read. A magnetic strip on a credit card can be read at less than 1mm. Access keys such as Auto I believe have gone from a static code to a dynamically changing one so being able to know what someones key is transmitting now won't help as the code changes when the owner walks away from the car.
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 11:36 AM
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15. I've been following that subject for about ten years - check out CASPIAN.
http://www.nocards.org/
http://www.spychips.com/

If you've shopped in a WalMart in the past few years, it is a fair bet you're clothing and household items are littered with them.

HelllOOOOOO Minority Report.

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Distant Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 01:14 PM
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17. Radio Frequency ID operates in both ACTIVE and PASSIVE deployment modes: different capabilities
and implications.

Passive Rfid can be deployed as an almost dot sized device. Active RFID has to be powered and is deployed in a larger form factor.

Look up Near field communication (NFC) on Wiki and you can learn how RFID is being applied to mobile devices
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 01:35 PM
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19. 2 links, 2 perspectives for RFID interested DUers
Electronic Privacy Information Center/EPIC .org (RFID page)
http://epic.org/privacy/rfid/

RFID.org
http://www.rfid.org

Then there is the directed energy perspective, which I've posted about since becoming a DUer and which has gotten a few threads locked due to "national security"/"tinfoil" political correctness about how to handle "inconvenient" truths here.



:)
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BillyJack Donating Member (653 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 01:48 PM
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21. RFID is 'good' for product inventories
Not so much when used for people.

e'nuff said.....
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 01:50 PM
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22. Forget RFID...
Think about the app that uses the technology similar to RFID that is intrusive on almost every ID, including electronic communications.
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BillyJack Donating Member (653 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 02:11 PM
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23. We agree. n/t
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 02:40 PM
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24. Gross. nt
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