431 years of each day the same, in a 6 x 12 world. Please think about that seriously.

[Stinky The Clown]

Imagine yourself in that world. A constant din of others in similar straits, wailing night after night. Your entire life controlled, right down to your bodily functions. Imagine that your exposure to daylight is limited. Imagine that you'll never walk on carpet. Imagine that you'll never have a choice of meals. Imagine that you'll never get to visit a store. Imagine that, as your loved ones die, you will be unable to do anything but grieve from afar.

Imagine your life as gray and dreary and the same. Painfully the same. One days the very same as the other.

Is it even possible to imagine it without having experienced it?

Imagine every day thinking of why you're there. How you put yourself there.

Imagine knowing you're the person who is guilty of causing you to be where you are and having to consider that, and of course, to think if the persons you harmed, every hour of every day.

Of every week.

Of every year.

For the rest of your miserable, squandered life.

Is the death penalty worse than that?

[LiberalLoner]

1. Also living in fear of attacks from other prisoners. Plus I heard they do

not get much health care. So you could add the probability of some untreated chronic condition and untreated pain.

I think the death penalty would be heaven compared to spending much time in prison. I've heard of cases of people being sent to prison when they didn't do anything - mistaken identity I guess. I have heard of a couple of cases where DNA allowed men to be freed when they had spent years in prison for a murder they didn't commit. I think that must be one of the worst nightmare situations, to be put into prison when you haven't done the crime.

I've known people who smoked pot, casual acquaintances, and I told them I thought they were just insane for risking going to prison for a high. To me, prison just seems like such a horrible place, filled with horrible people who want to hurt you and get chances to hurt you, and I can't understand why a person would ever take a chance on going to prison.

[RandomThoughts]

2. You make the assumption many others claim.

The assumption is that people are responsible for where they are by there own actions, or inaction.


What if it can be shown that the system is flawed, and do to those flaws someone is in that situation wrongly.

Should that person accept that wrong, or correct it. It would be easy to say 'so what' and just move on after an injustice. But it is not the way that is my thoughts of what is best.


Back in the pool days, I lost alot, won alot, and never held a loss as meaning that much, although do have some good memories of wins.

But I will tell you this, when someone tried to cheat, or steal to win, I sure didn't walk away and allow such a thing to not go unchallenged.

Then it meant something, it was not about money at that point, and money never really mattered much.


And I am due beer and travel money.



By your definition, I should go into a pool hall, at some pool tournament, pick the pool balls up, and put them in the pockets and declare victory. Then take the winning pot.

That is the way they want society, no rules.

And what would you do if someone tried to do that.




Brothers in Arms - Dire Straits
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5JkHBC5lDs

Bonnie Raitt - I Can't Make You Love Me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW9Cu6GYqxo

Bonnie Raitt - Nick Of Time
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Dire Straits - Walk of Life
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CknuCTRAW_I

[Stinky The Clown]

5. With all due respect . . . I have no idea what you're saying.

[Stuckinthebush]

12. Well, his name IS randomthoughts

:)

Seriously, I THINK he is saying that without the death penalty then the rules will be ignored. I think. I'm probably wrong. Been a long day.

By the way, I agree with you, I'd rather a murderer spend a life in jail than get the easy way out.

[Codeine]

19. Does anybody? nt

[Rex]

3. Plus the money spent on keeping someone confined is outrageous

and their conditions are intolerable. What is all that money, per prisoner, used for? Certainly NOT therapy or any kind of treatment.

[lonestarnot]

27. And you do know that appeals of death penalty cases cost much more than the housing of a prisoner?

Especially in a private prison. They know how to cut all the housing expense. Usually owned by pugs and then they really get it going on with a governor who has close connections to them, ie Arizona.

[Recursion]

4. 431 years? (nt)

[Stinky The Clown]

6. The sentence handed down today in the Dugaard kidnapping/imprisoning case

[roguevalley]

8. easier to be dead

[Motown_Johnny]

7. It has been said that where there is life there is hope

If true then, where there is no life there is no hope

[pipi_k]

9. True, but...

On year 432...

freedom!

[MinneapolisMatt]

10. I've always thought

that life without parole is a far worse punishment than death.

[Stinky The Clown]

11. Which is pretty much the point of my post

I have thought about it.

Even if my wife or children were murdered, I would oppose the death penalty. It will not bring them back. The wrong person might be convicted of killing them. If it is the right one, I want him to think of it every hour of every day or every week of every year of every decade of his miserable fucking life.

[MinneapolisMatt]

13. Exactly.

[pitohui]

24. but if the wrong person were convicted, they'd be suffering the same torture

i don't think i understand the point of the post at all

cruelty is cruelty and we should not support cruelty

this guy is guilty, there's no doubt that he's guilty, and i still don't support TORTURING the guy, he's obviously insane, so we're torturing a sick person

[Stinky The Clown]

31. You prefer to simply kill him?

To save him from "torture?"

Is that your view?

[REP]

14. I think life in prison is a cruel punishment, but I doubt many reflect upon their wrongs there

A person who is capable of doing those things - such as the Dugaard case - is unlikely unable to reflect upon the wrongness of their actions or the pain they've caused. That's all right. As long as they're kept away from society, and are no longer a threat to it, that's all right. That it's unspeakably cruel - far worse than being put to death - only bothers me sometimes.

[Spike89]

15. Exactly! Even to providing medical care

I'm just perverse enough to think that the first people to get immortality treatments if/when they arrive should be the worst of the worst lifers in jail. They should be given just enough treatment so they can live out their term (if the docs can figure out what a 431 year dose would be).

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[whistler162]

17. HUH? Imagine if you made any sense.

[Stinky The Clown]

20. Comprehensionally challenged, are we?

[aikoaiko]

18. Apparently so because heinous criminals hardly ever prefer death over life or kill themselves

A lot them probably enjoy reliving the crimes in their memories.

For all we know Phillip Garrido gets his rocks off remembering what he did to Jaycee.

[lonestarnot]

28. That's the only place they'll be reliving them.

[Stinky The Clown]

21. fwanker, you sad, small, lonely man, you just can't let it alone, can you?

That's okay fwanker, you just keep inciting and fwanking away if it helps you through your sad, dreary life, devoid of real people. Associating with your intellectually bereft band of a dozen or so misfits in your little corner of the Internet seems all you have. How pathetic.

You might tell that newer camp follower that I don't smoke, but if helps him think he's self actualizing, I'll leave him to his little flight of delusional fantasy.

Love to you all,
XxxxxxXxxXxxxx

[ohnoyoudidnt]

22. There have been many cases where people convicted of murder

have been later found to be innocent.

If you support the death penalty, you support the murder of innocent people.

[pitohui]

23. i can't think about it seriously for it isn't serious

no one is going to live 431 years so it's ridiculous on the face of it

i won't speak to the "logic" of thinking that a crazy, probably psychotic person is overwhelmed with remorse about "putting himself there," i think he will likely blame his torturers for torturing him, as anyone would, crazy OR sane

why wallow in this type of cruelty? if you intend to never let anyone have a moment's peace or freedom again, if you intend to give other people actual employment in torturing human beings, well, that's just as disgusting as anything he did

more disgusting because presumably the society that set up this system of torture is sane

look, if somebody is so sick they can never get well, just kill them, don't torture them for fun and for the fantasies of folks who like to imagine their anguish and (nonexistent) remorse -- we don't need to breed more sadists by pandering to this type of wallowing

[Stinky The Clown]

25. Murder good?

Keeping alive bad?

[ohnoyoudidnt]

26. Do you assume that everyone sentenced to death is guilty?

[lonestarnot]

29. And your suggestions for protection of innocent members of society?

[lonestarnot]

30. Could be.