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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 06:35 PM
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Weiner was stalked and set up by a Christian Infowar Militia cell based largely in Oklahoma
Edited on Sat Jun-04-11 06:41 PM by kpete
Source: Daily Kos

Congressman Weiner was stalked and set up by a Christian Infowar Militia cell based largely in Oklahoma City.

.....................

This is what a clumsy infowar cell looks like after Anonymiss finishes up crawling all over them. This is a redacted version – there is some stuff that was found that they don’t want to show just yet, but this group already knows someone is on to them and they’re starting to lock up or delete their accounts.



There is a spreadsheet with all of the tweets from these nine accounts going back into April and it’s in chronological order. The tweet number refers to the item IDs in the PDF files that were made of the tweet streams – lock up? Delete? Matters not, they’re already caught. Several people have those PDFs, I put them in my Scribd for safe keeping, and I see my account has had almost 800 reads in the last 24 hours.




Read more: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/06/04/982122/-Breaking:-Christian-Infowar-Militia-Attacked-Congressman-Weiner?via=siderec



If you go read the individual tweet streams you can tell he was picked as a target, then they went about engineering the event.

@patriotusa76 and @goatsred were in the middle of it, but it looks like this whole group was involved in making it happen.

This is beyond us - it needs the FBI. NOW.
view-source:http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/06/04/982122/-Breaking:-Christian-Infowar-Militia-Attacked-Congressman-Weiner?via=siderec
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 06:48 PM
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1. Did they go thought all oof this just because Weiner was pushing against
Justice Thomas & his wife?
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 11:54 PM
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27. Thomas is the lock vote for RW crime -- Militias financed "pro-life" attacks ...
but Supreme Court wouldn't approve using RICO laws against them --

If Thomas were gone, would be a lot harder to pull off crimes like 2000 -- !!

And, obviously he would be a vote for overturning Roe vs Wade --
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 12:39 PM
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56. just because? What thomas did is a HUGE crime. he needs to got o jail, and CItizen's
United overturned immediately, and a new Justice put on the bench even faster.......This is a VERY BIG DEAL, if it gets prosecuted quickly. The ramifications for our country are huge.
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rsmith6621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 06:49 PM
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2. Is This What Weiners Security Firm Has Concluded????
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 07:27 PM
Response to Reply #2
9. No--I believe this is info from Anonymiss--like Anonymous, but
women.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 02:46 AM
Response to Reply #9
34. WOMEN GEEKS!
Makes me giddy.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 11:05 AM
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52. Very cool.
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formernaderite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 07:22 AM
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75. Yeah... what has his security firm found out?
I haven't been following this closely... but by now they should know exactly what happened. I still don't understand why he didn't turn this over directly to the police. Then he could have directed all the questions to the investigators, it would be OVER by now.
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Champion Jack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 06:51 PM
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3. K & R
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 05:14 AM
Response to Reply #3
74. Monday morning kick
because this is sooo republicon evil and ugly, and so anti- everything Christ represents...
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 06:56 PM
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4. What is an infowar? eom
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 09:45 PM
Response to Reply #4
24. It's what we've all been stuck in for about 50 years.
More recently escalated through Internet and other new media.

"World War III is a guerrilla information war with no division between military and civilian participation." - Marshall McLuhan
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jonthebru Donating Member (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 01:11 PM
Response to Reply #4
59. Learn about Psy-war.
That is the PR firms creating a need and then manipulating the citizenry to support it, be it beverages or wars. Info wars are the battle for creating the outlet for whatever perspective a group or individual is pushing. It could be correct or it could be a lie. Just getting it on to peoples computers is half the battle. In this case the MSM was led by its nose right into a trap and the story launched. Many perspectives don't get on to American media outlets because they are in the pocket of whomever wants to control our knowledge base.

It goes on all around us all the time most of it just wants to get us to buy things or support issues. Knowledge allows us to resist or at least pick and choose. Andrew Breitbart was diagnosed with syphilis, did you hear?
There are some great videos online that detail psychological manipulation of the masses. Sad, very sad, but very true.

Psy-War
http://metanoia-films.org/watchonline.php

The Century Of Self BBC Documentary
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyPzGUsYyKM

View and learn.
One of the statements I live by "Consider the source."
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dogmoma56 Donating Member (329 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 04:37 PM
Response to Reply #4
66. sorry, miss placed.
Edited on Sun Jun-05-11 04:40 PM by dogmoma56
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 06:58 PM
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5. Well, maybe the Patriot Act will finally come in handy.
Prosecute these bastards as the domestic terrorists they are. Guantanamo still up and running?
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nonperson Donating Member (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 11:23 PM
Response to Reply #5
26. The Patriot Act only works in one direction
And that's to the left.
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trueblue2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 03:20 AM
Response to Reply #5
35. will the department of justice go after them??
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 08:06 AM
Response to Reply #35
40. I seriously doubt it.
This nation sucks.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 12:40 PM
Response to Reply #35
57. That is the big question. Let's compare the alledged crimes of John Edwards and
Clarence Thomas.....Thomas's affected the entire country for years to come. Edwards? They damn well better go after him.
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John_Adams Donating Member (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 10:06 AM
Response to Reply #5
49. It is mystifying to me that Weiner has not filed a police report.
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southernyankeebelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 07:07 PM
Response to Original message
6. I wonder ifcongressman is doing something about this? Why hasn't MSM
put out this side of the story?
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 11:56 PM
Response to Reply #6
28. Because it's a rightwing corporate-press having little to do with a free press ....
"The myth of a free press died with the assassination of Pres. John F. Kennedy"

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ProfessionalLeftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 03:52 PM
Response to Reply #28
63. Because the media are making gargantuan PROFITS off of the story
that's why.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 05:41 PM
Response to Reply #63
72. If they were LOSING money on it ... they would still be doing it --
It's the overall agenda they are working for --

corporate/fascism -- and they need the Thomas vote to keep it going!!

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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 07:09 PM
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7. Wow - Massive darkside occultist RepubliKKKristian Black Ops against America
Edited on Sat Jun-04-11 07:12 PM by SpiralHawk
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Nossida Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 07:17 PM
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8. just as I have been telling you Chaps
Its the Christian Republican Axis.
These creatures will not rest until
the US is a Theocratic Dictatorship.
ChristoFascist the Lot.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 12:05 AM
Response to Reply #8
29. GOP gave the start up funding for the Christian Coalition -- Richard Scaife funded Dobson's org....
and other rw wealthy financed Bauer's group --

Why? Because the 1960's Youth Revolution was overall an attack on authority --

Indeed, in 1972, when the details began to come out about a break-in at Democratic Party headquarters in the Watergate Hotel, Mae immediately recognized personnel and modus operandi from nine years of assassination research, while the mainstream press continued to refer to Watergate as a "caper" and "a third-rate burglary." And so it came to pass that while Rabbi Magnin was entertaining Richard Nixon at his home in Los Angeles, his daughter Mae was revealing the President's role in an incredible conspiracy. Meanwhile, she also perceived an assassination plot, not merely against specific individuals, but against the entire counterculture that was burgeoning at the time.


"I realized that in this country we had a revolution--of housing, food, hair style, clothing, cosmetics, transportation, value systems, religion--it was an economic revolution, affecting the cosmetics industry, canned foods, the use of land; people were delivering their own babies, recycling old clothes, withdrawing from spectator sports. They were breaking the barriers where white and black could rap in 1967. This was the year of the Beatles, the summer of Sergeant Pepper, the Monterey Pop Festival, Haight-Ashbury, make your own candle and turn off the electricity, turn on with your friends and laugh--that's what life was all about."

http://maebrussell.com/Mae%20Brussell%20Articles/Ballad%20of%20Mae%20Brussell.html


And, btw, Mae Brussel long, long ago put the pieces together connecting the JFK assassination

to Nazis and a new rising of fascism.

Organized patriarchal religion underpins patriarchy and is a long used and well used tool in

the elite toolbox --





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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 06:54 AM
Response to Reply #29
38. WOW -- "...she also perceived an assassination plot..."

Stunning insight!

she also perceived an assassination plot, not merely against specific individuals, but against the entire counterculture that was burgeoning at the time.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 04:51 PM
Response to Reply #38
67. GOP likes to portray it merely as a Sexual Revolution, but it was much, much more ...
Mae Brussel is very interesting on all of what we've suffered in the way

of rightwing political violence over the last 50+ years --

Always interesting browsing her website --


:)
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 08:11 AM
Response to Reply #29
42. Thank you for sharing that. nt
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 07:37 PM
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10. Oh, please. The FBI doesn't investigate crimes against liberals and we all know it.
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 08:33 PM
Response to Reply #10
18. word.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 12:07 AM
Response to Reply #10
30. +1
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 08:13 AM
Response to Reply #10
43. I suspect they sometimes
engage in crimes against liberals.
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 07:46 PM
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11. I have no idea what all this means...
I haven't the first clue about Twitter. I have a basic cell phone that allows me to call and text, but there's no internet functionality. And that's fine with me.

So could someone please tell me, in plain English, if this is likely to nail these guys and why? Thanks for your help.

Oh, and thanks for your efforts, kpete.

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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 08:29 PM
Response to Reply #11
16. Twitter is an internet thing, though you can do it from your cell phone
For example, here is a link to Rep. Weiner's Twitter feed -- though he hasn't added to it in several days: http://twitter.com/#!/RepWeiner

All Twitter messages -- or tweets -- are public, except for those that are sent as private message to one particular individual (much like private messages here at DU.) When you "follow" somebody on Twitter, you get all their tweets sent to you automatically, but you don't need to follow people, or even have your own Twitter account, to be able to see their posts.

There is a 140 character limit per Tweet (though there are now ways of extending that), which helps to keep things short and simple.

Twitter users have also come up with informal systems for improving the way information gets around -- most notably what is called "hashtags." This means that people who are communicating on a certain subject will put a word (or two words run together) with a "#" symbol in their post. Then anybody who searches twitter on that combination will see all the recent tweets using that tag.

As far as nailing these guys -- because Twitter is public, their hate speech is right there out in the open. But somebody has to be paying attention and noticing that certain people are specializing in it and that groups of them are all following one another and tweeting back and forth.

Finding out people's real identities is harder -- just as it would be here on DU -- but if you're determined, it's often possible.

It isn't entirely clear to me, but it looks like somebody was already aware of this particular group before their Rep. Weiner prank and was able to identify them very quickly as a result.

And that's really all you need to know about Twitter -- at least as far as being able to follow the discussion. Actually using it takes a bit more expertise, but not much more.

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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 09:27 PM
Response to Reply #16
20. thanks. With your explanation and going over to DK and reading
the comments, I'm getting a better idea about this. All I can say is I hope those who know what they're doing (Anonymiss?) can nail these people.
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 08:14 PM
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12. K & R n/t
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 08:18 PM
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13. Rep Needle Dick
that pretty much says it all.

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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 08:22 PM
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14. Patriotusa76! Jihadihunter! Swoon!!!1
:eyes:
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ProfessionalLeftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 08:26 PM
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15. You should send this to the FBI - seriously
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buckrogers1965 Donating Member (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 08:33 PM
Response to Reply #15
17. They are going to prison.
Essentially what they did was commit a serious felony crime and document every step of everything they did, publicly.

Evidently they don't know how twitter works either.
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11cents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 09:36 PM
Response to Reply #15
22. Send what to the FBI?
I really don't get it. As far as I can see, that DailyKos diary contains no actual evidence (and many of the commenters remark on this). And the Anonymiss's arch, jargony info-guerrilla tone sends my bullshit meter to 11.

But I'd welcome an explanation with a pointer to evidence.

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Countdown_3_2_1 Donating Member (778 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 07:35 AM
Response to Reply #22
39. I'm skeptical too. This appears totally Bogus. nt
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 09:27 PM
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19. K&R - too bad the crack team of "journalists" at CNN couldn't be bothered to
Edited on Sat Jun-04-11 09:35 PM by myrna minx
investigate this - they just preferred to allow Brietbart to smear the Congressman.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 01:28 AM
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31. +
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ProfessionalLeftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 03:56 PM
Response to Reply #19
64. Their corporate owners prefer the money they're making
off of the story. If it's 'solved' - they can't continue to profit off of the salacious story.

Media's #1 objective: PROFIT.

Why doesn't anyone get that?
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 09:33 PM
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21. Holy cow,
Edited on Sat Jun-04-11 09:36 PM by EC
look at this: http://www.scribd.com/doc/57056176/Born-Free-Crew-Extended-Network


scroll down, Governor Walker is a member of the Born Free Crew! And Boner! And Drudge and Michelle Melkin! and Dennis Miller and Governor Christie! And Gee Whiz, Brietbart himself and yucky Ted Nuggent.


On edit: just noticed Darrell Izza and Thomas Sowell too.

Wow, Wow, Wow...if they were involved this could get hot.


http://www.scribd.com/doc/57056176/Born-Free-Crew-Extended-Network
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 04:09 AM
Response to Reply #21
36. Just saw that. Is this a private list that has just been revealed
I wonder? Because if so, these pillars of society have been hanging around with some pretty questionable characters, Goatsrd eg, and PatroitUSA76. Those two have been exposed by The Smoking Gun.
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 09:56 AM
Response to Reply #36
46. I just googled Born Free Crew
and viola, found this. They even ripped off the name from the people of Africa working to win support for Mugabe among youths in Zimbabwe.

It makes me wonder and believe that these "pillars" of society at least knew what was going on, since they are on the same tweet list, they must have gotten the tweets.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 08:17 AM
Response to Reply #21
44. They are ideologically fascist, the
ones you listed. Probably Ayn Rand lovers too. I have no idea what it has to do with Christianity. I guess it is their SPECIAL brand of Christianity, you know, the one that ignores Christ.
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 12:34 PM
Response to Reply #21
55. Anyone could have used those names.
Let's not get carried away with flimsy evidence.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 09:41 PM
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23. k&r...
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-11 10:44 PM
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25. Two of the names seem familiar - from DU?
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 09:59 AM
Response to Reply #25
48. Yeah,
I could have sworn I've seen angrywhiteman here.
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HankyDubs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 02:07 AM
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32. could you show examples to prove this assertion?
"If you go read the individual tweet streams you can tell he was picked as a target, then they went about engineering the event"

No snark whatsoever intended. I'm not going to go through all these people's twitter feeds, but would love to see proof of the claim that they engineered this attack.
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11cents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 11:28 AM
Response to Reply #32
53. Commenters on the DKos diary also requested this.
As far as I can tell (the Daily Kos's terrible interface makes it difficult to be sure), no evidence whatsoever has been provided.

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HankyDubs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 02:01 PM
Response to Reply #53
60. I read through the diary
and the best I could find was the author claiming that he is sending this information to reporters. In another place it is asserted that anyone asking for these tweets is an infiltrator trying to find out "how much we know."

I would dearly like to believe that there is clear evidence of this christo-fascist group framing the Wiener. Unfortunately I still don't see any such evidence.
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Kurmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 02:40 AM
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33. These are the folks who Christ will say he never knew. They are using false witness.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 06:44 AM
Response to Reply #33
37. Predicting what Christ will say or do? Way above my pay grade.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 08:08 AM
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41. you all realize how similar the right wing is to German Nazis, right
Edited on Sun Jun-05-11 08:10 AM by fascisthunter
you should realize how dangerous they are.... just look at how organized they are, and ask yourselves how they were allowed to get so organized and SO FUNDED. Some of you may laugh at the parallel, but answer this? What would have happened if this was a liberal militia group going after the right wing.

The powers that be back the right wing...

... we liberals are the enemy of our own country to these fucks and we have no representation. This is NOT by accident.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 08:19 AM
Response to Reply #41
45. PLUS ONE...............nt
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 09:56 AM
Response to Reply #41
47. Most of the corporate money
is on the right, just like in the thirties - some of it the same corporations.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 10:38 AM
Response to Reply #41
51. One should never take people who copy the Nazi lightly. We are
kidding ourselves if we think it can never happen here.
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Hestia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 03:43 PM
Response to Reply #41
61. With Operation Paperclip & the other Operation to bring nazi's to the US and embed
them into our gov't (Prescott Bush anyone?) we are now living with 4th, 5th, 6th generation nazi's. It is not too far of a push, you know how these things run in families.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 03:49 PM
Response to Reply #41
62. The reason is because ALL of the ugly history in our country is buried in the republican party
and anyone that tries to uncover it...well, if they can't be marginalized...they die unexpectedly.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 04:57 PM
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68. Totally agree -- and think we need more information on this in OPs and threads ...
it is a very dangerous time -- the last 50+ years of rw political violence has

been a very dangerous time -- and, imo, it was followed by Diebold election theft --

Thanks for trying to make this clear --

and glad to see the posts supporting your comments -- information seems to be getting

out a big more.


:)
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 10:13 AM
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50. Beyond us but maybe not beyond anonymous.
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SoapBox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 12:14 PM
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54. K & R
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BrightSideOfLife Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 01:01 PM
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58. You have to be a Republican
You have to be a Republican in order for conspiracies to be taken seriously by the MSM-don't you know that yet?
Seriously, why the hell isn't this on any of the news stations yet?
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 04:59 PM
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71. And just look at the lack of response by corporate-press when O'Keefe framing of ACORN became clear?
A big 000000000000000000000000000000 as far as apologies or restoration

of ACORN's good name!!

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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 03:59 PM
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65. K&R n/t
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Drew Richards Donating Member (507 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 04:58 PM
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69. HEY KPETE!

You always bring us the juciest bits of news...

Thanks for being you :)
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dogmoma56 Donating Member (329 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 04:58 PM
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70. . the Christian Reich is currently at war with Secular Humanists ..>links
this is a Civil War.!!!

here are some essential >Links i get books real cheap at Amazon, otherwise i couldn't afford to read as many as i do


this is real good, follow the links as you read.
http://doggo.tripod.com/doggchrisdomin.html

http://www.theocracywatch.org/introduction2.htm

http://www.theocracywatch.org/introduction2.htm#Dominio...


inform yourselves.. QUICKLY.!!!!!!!!!!!

THIS ONE IS EASY TO READ.. a quick informative book
http://www.amazon.com/American-Fascists-Christian-Right...

this is a history of the Abraham Vereide Nazi take over if the American government starting in 1934, Doug Coe picked up his torch.. more in depth
http://www.amazon.com/Family-Secret-Fundamentalism-Hear...

haven't this one, but if Jeff Sharlet wrote it,It Rocks, excellent Investigative Journalist.. and there aren't many left, he lived with them.!
http://www.amazon.com/Street-Fundamentalist-Threat-Amer...

Dominionism, Christian Reconstructionism, C Street Fascism and other of their ilk, it appears they all have been absorbed into a homogeneous mass dedicated to creating a Civil War to create a Theocratic Dictatorship in America. it is apparent that all the Christian spiritual warriors do not really know who is pulling the strings. but they will as soon as they win, and boy will they be surprised to be slaves along side their hated Secularists.

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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 05:51 PM
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73. Born free.
That comes from a verse, the person born of a slave is a slave, and a person born of a free person is free.

Taken out of context many times. And used to claim some mixed up form of superiority.


It is funny when used that way, since that usage goes against many of the rest of the teachings in those writings.


It is pick and choose. Those that believe in royalty like to use that also.


It most likely came from Paul being a Roman Citizen, born with Citizenship. And that idea of how the Romans allowed for citizenship by birth.

So if you see it coming from Paul's bias, then you can see how it is invalidated in that concept when used the way some use it, by it being a metaphor of his personal life, being used in a verse.


But anyways, that is pick and choose stuff.


Many like to judge Luke Skywalker that way, however, Vader was born, and died free, with a period of troubles. As most people have some areas of thought and conflict on. It is a fascinating many page doctrine, but it fails after a few moments of thought or feeling.

There are many stories of free people in captivity, wrongly. Much of the older texts are about freeing people, not about claiming yourself free, far better to say all are captive in some way, and not any better then someone else, then learn from others better qualities.

So I am free, but not any more free then anyone else chooses to be, nor any more captive then anyone else. And the only captivity I face, is wrongful actions of free will by other people that have not corrected that wrong. And that will be corrected. And the knowledge that will be corrected, and not willing to walk away from justice and compassion for beer and travel money, but it will be sent, within justice and compassion, since that is just.
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Champion Jack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 11:44 AM
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76. KICKED Again
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