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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 10:42 PM
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Thank you for my star! & a PSA about politics.
First, I want to thank whomever you are who donated a star to my name. I appreciate it very much. If you care to reveal yourself and get kudos (or disdain; I'm an 'acquired taste'. ) from the board, please do. If you prefer to remain anonymous, know my thanks are not lessened because I do not know who you are. You did a nice thing for me.

Now, because I'm old school and I'm still always aware of 'signal to noise ratio', I have to include something with this OP to make it 'worth' standing as an OP rather than just a 'look at me! I got a star!' kind of thing.

One thing you should know before reading any further: I am good at politics; successful, even. I could be great at politics and horrifically successful, if only I'd sell out. This is the internet; I cannot prove the previous statement even if I were to provide links and names and so forth you'd still never be sure I was who I say I am.

I could tell you the name of the book in which I'm quoted. I could tell you the name of the political observer/pundit/critic who listed me as one of the new 'influential women in politics' in my state. I could tell you my name and my previous titles and how I succeeded (and got 'punked') in my political career. I could tell you about the successful issues campaigns we ran and how they provided diversion for even more populist legislation to get passed. I could tell you about the times I got 'punked' and the lessons learned. I could tell you about the media coverage I received as the 'go to' person on all things women's rights, in my state. Well, I could.

Unless I'm ready to fully come out as myself, and even then, I have no proof unless you come visit and even then...

Knowing that, take the following information and advice as you see fit.

You will be happier with your political involvement if 'you':

-understand that politics is; a) war b) war over who has power over others; 'you' and I would be the 'others'.

-read Sun Tzu, "The Art of War", and Niccolò Machiavelli, "The Prince", and Harriet Rubin, "The Princessa : Machiavelli for Women" and "The Classics". You know that two-tiered educational system we have in which the private schools and Ivy League Universities cater to the upper classes? Those lessons are not taught in public schools or to the lower 98%. Learn their rules or lose.

-advocate for a candidate or issue based solely on policy. The minute you advocate based on the 'personality' of the candidate or the 'leader' of said issue, you have set yourself up for 'buyer's remorse.' People are human; seems a silly statement, yes? If you support a 'personality' regardless of their policy, they're bound to disappoint. Every hero has his/her feet of clay or Achille's heel. There are no living, perfect humans.

-understand that voting records are not what they appear. There are many places on the web that purport to report a polician's voting record. They do not. In order to track a voting record, you have to know whip counts, on which vote the site reports, the trend of the politician's voting, how it appears when compared to 'the party' (regardless of party), the negotiations behind the scenes (you better have been sitting in on them), with whom and for what they negotiated, and so on, and so forth. In other words, if "you're" not part of that politician's 'inner circle,' 'you' have very limited information as to why they voted the way they did.

-understand a politician's inner circle consists of; campaign manager, communications manager, policy spokesperson/adviser (sometimes). If 'you' weren't any of those, 'you' don't know what actually happened, was discussed, was decided, was negotiated. Side note: politician's spouse is rarely part of the inner circle unless said spouse occupied one of those roles.

-debate policy rather than 'personality.' The debates are whether or not {insert politician's name} has a history of supporting those policies which are important to 'you.' Go make a list and prioritize it. Start there. Spend months investigating; I kid 'you' not, it takes that long unless 'you' are experienced enough to see an obvious clue to their true value system.

-remember this JFK quote: "Mothers all want their sons to grow up to be President, but they don't want them to become politicians in the process." {I learned this quote from a DUer. I've forgotten your name but that does not diminish my gratitude to you for your sharing of it.}

-understand that, all we have left are politicians. See the quote above. This is a result of our current confluence of systems of control and suppression. If "you've" not yet learned that, go work a successful campaign; up close and personal. That is, 'your' candidate got elected and then elected again and then elected once more. How close are they "now" to where they started out?

-are still of a mind that the systems can be fixed, read the above first or "you'll" be so demoralized "you'll" never get out of bed, much less vote again.

-must remain engaged and willing to vote if 'you' still believe voting makes a difference.

-must get over 'your' current instance of "buyer's remorse." See all previous statements.

If "you're" experiencing "buyer's remorse,"; get over it and move on or stay out of politics. Yes, that's harsh. It's also very true. If "you're" still naive and gullible, 'you' hinder rather than help. Flinging around "your" remorse gives chum to the right-wing. "You're" hurting what 'you' think "you're" helping.

If a right-wing talking point happens to fit 'your' personal prejudice and 'you' think "you'll" start to use it as criticism of a/the leftist party; "you've" gone beyond criticism to 'aiding and abetting' the enemy. If 'you' don't think the right wing is 'your' enemy, read my first bullet-point above. If 'you' don't know which are right wing talking points, silence is a political virtue.

Some right wing talking points:

-sneeringly refer to political correctness: that's how they define their bigotry/prejudice as acceptable.
-latte liberals
-limousine liberals
-angry liberals
-Democrats are liberal
-sneeringly refer to liberals
-liberals=socialists, communists, pinko, fascists, 'pussies,' 'wusses,' feminized, feminazis; pretty much anything that doesn't meet the standards of 'conventional wisdom'
-welfare queens
-matriarchy (see above about 'conventional wisdom')
-peaceniks
-hippies
-pot heads
-druggies
-anything that presents the left in opposition, and wrongly so, of the status quo

Add your own if you care to.

Again, Thank You! to my benefactor.


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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 10:45 PM
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1. The left that supports a broken system is no different then the right.
Edited on Sun Jun-05-11 10:45 PM by RandomThoughts
Why would anyone think it is about political left and right at all.

Although there are many on the left, and the right for that matter, trying to change things, there is alot to be done.

And I am due beer and travel money.

Next Contestant- FFX
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qu6LjAK9qOw
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 10:53 PM
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2. I disagree. A left can support the broken system while the
remainder of the left can work to replace it. As the replacement comes about, those 'supporting' it can move aside and aid in the replacement.

Were it within my powers, I would grant you the "beer and travel money" that you might move on from that refrain and aid in the replacement of said broken/corrupted/rigged system.

While it can be disastrous to fight a war on two fronts, it can be a winning strategy to divide and surround using a two-pronged approach.



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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 11:44 PM
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4. I understand what you are saying.
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 11:58 PM
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7. Sometimes, I understand what you are saying.
Thank you for coming to this thread.

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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 11:29 PM
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3. Oh, good heavens. Kick. Yes, I'm a PIA.
I'm also "your" PIA.

I'm persistent and long-winded. Or some combination thereof; you never know when I'm going to glomb onto a topic.

:kick:

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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-11 12:26 AM
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18. All of that must be EXHAUSTING! ...
I don't know how you do it! :)

Acronym / Definition

PIA Philippine Information Agency
PIA Professional Insurance Agents
PIA Privacy Impact Assessment
PIA Pakistan International Airlines (ICAO code)
PIA Parachute Industry Association
PIA Pittsburgh International Airport
PIA Printing Industries of America
PIA Pearson International Airport (Toronto, Canada)
PIA Primary Insurance Amount (US Social Security)
PIA Primary Interop Assembly
PIA Personal Investment Authority
PIA Pain In the Ass
PIA Peripheral Interface Adapter
PIA Prison Industry Authority (California)
PIA Primary Immunodeficiency Association
PIA Peoplesoft Internet Architecture
PIA Paid In Advance
PIA Parlamento Indígena de América (Spanish: Indigenous Parliament of America; Bolivia)
PIA Planned Incremental Availability
PIA Payment In Advance
PIA Products in Action
PIA Personal Injury Accident
PIA Plastics Institute of America
PIA Proprietary Information Agreement
PIA Participatory Impact Assessment
PIA Professional Inventors Alliance
PIA Procurement Integrity Act
PIA Porcine Intestinal Adenomatosis
PIA Progressive Indirect Attack
PIA Pure Internet Architecture (PeopleSoft)
PIA Partnership Intermediary Agreement
PIA Peoria, IL, USA - Greater Peoria Airport (Airport Code)
PIA Parent Interviews for Autism
PIA Programmable Interface Adapter
PIA Public Information Agency
PIA Protein Interaction Analysis
PIA Particulate Impact Analyzer
PIA Program Independent Assessment
PIA Photometers for Imaging the Aurora (Astrid-2 spacecraft)
PIA Propagation and Infection Analysis
PIA Propellant Isolation Assembly
PIA Programme Implementation Agency (India)
PIA Public Information Advisor
PIA Part in Assembly
PIA Process Improvement Associates (training and management consulting company)
PIA Priority Inversion Avoidance
PIA Program Initiation Agreement
PIA Power Injected Amplifier (structured home wiring for cable TV, internet, & audio distribution)
PIA Pyongyang International Airport
PIA Post Instructional Activity (aka homework)
PIA Peritonitis Index of Altona
PIA Photon-counting Image Acquisition
PIA Pre Infarct Angina
PIA Power Interface Assembly
PIA Program Initiation Authorization
PIA Perfect Information Algorithm
PIA Plant Inspection Assistant
PIA Packet Immediate Assignment
PIA Period of Insect Activity (entomology)
PIA Partial I/O (Input/Output) Activation (computer science)
PIA Proxy Interceptor Agent
PIA Product Implementation Architecture


http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/PIA
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-11 01:08 AM
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25. *snort* Much as you do.
Edited on Thu Jun-09-11 01:09 AM by Cerridwen
So much as you do.

You and Josh and Tabatha and Iterate and...{please fill in any names I missed}, keep up the Libyan thread.

I'm a (warning: scary quotes ahead) "militant, radical, Marxist, Socialist, Commie, Pinko, ball-busting, man-hating, anti-sex, whore, dyke, abortion-loving, humorless, feminizing, matriarchal, prude, slut of a feminist, feminazi".

I've a few years of experience.

PIA as a pain in the ass...piece 'o cake.

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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 11:46 PM
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5. Interesting OP.
However, I agree with Random Thoughts regarding the broken system, and 'left/right'. When it comes down to it, I also agree with the FFs that the party system would eventually destroy this democracy. But, it's what we have right now.

I now believe that Congress is where all of our efforts need to be. No more listening to the political 'experts' about things like where a good progressive can or cannot get elected. I think they can get elected anywhere.

But Congress is where the power is. And we wasted far too much time and money on the WH last time. Obama will most likely win, but the only way WE the people can things done our way is to have real representatives in Congress, unlike what we now have for the most part.

It will take time I'm sure, but we can start. Last time the party leadership over and over again, backed the DLC candidates over good progressives. This time I will donate directly to candidates I support, that way I know they get it.

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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 11:55 PM
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6. General Strike.
I no longer believe that we can fix that which is broken/corrupted/rigged. I've moved into General Strike mode.

I will not tell someone not to vote. I will, however, ask those who believe that our systems are corrupt and rigged to participate in a General Strike.

Without that, we go to violent revolution.

A General Strike will result in violence, from 'their' side, but that, as far as I can see, is the only alternative.

General Strike.

But, what do I know?

"The Master's Tools Will Never Dismantle the Master's House" |Audre Lorde

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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 01:10 AM
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10. Yes, they are doing that in Europe, France eg last summer
And it was effective in Egypt. Here, it would be difficult. However, we could use boycotts, of the media eg, of credit cards, etc. But it would need leaders and organization.

I will check out your link ...
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 02:00 AM
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11. Thank you both for these comments, and K&R to the OP....
:yourock:

:thumbsup:

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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 09:17 AM
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14. Thank you, OneGrassRoot.
:yourock: too for all your hard work.

:hi:

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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 09:16 AM
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13. Thanks, sabrina. There's nothing at the link but the citation, I'm afraid.
I don't think a General Strike will happen via any organization or organized effort.

We have a de facto strike happening as so many people are unemployed and as or if more become so and as people 'fall out' of the job hunting population. Many are finding themselves newly homeless. Others are finding they can no long participate in the market place as they once did; as either consumer or worker.

If this continues, and if people start to voluntarily participate, it could become a reality. Perhaps it already is but we don't know because it's not reported as such.

Ah, well, I'm just awake so I need to get my daily dose of caffeine for my head to work.

Talk with you soon. :hi:

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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 12:50 AM
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8. One more kick before bed time. n/t
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joshguitar Donating Member (138 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 01:06 AM
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9. thought provoking read but...
the use of completely unneeded quotation marks ("you", "you re", "your") is slightly creepy and makes me wonder whether "I the reader" might be hypothetical..... or it makes "you" sound arrogant. either way this detracts from an otherwise thought provoking article.
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 09:07 AM
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12. 'You' is put in 'scary' quotes so 'you' the reader won't think I'm talking
about you the reader.

No need for you the reader to take personally what I mean toward 'you' the observer.

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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 04:17 PM
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15. .
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 11:09 PM
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16. Kick just cuz it's not about Weiner's weiner and
because it warns about making heroes of politicians.

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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-11 12:14 AM
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17. Kick.
That whole puritanism thing; it comes from 'religion.'

That whole shaming for sex thing; it comes from 'religion.'

That whole adultery thing; it comes from 'religion.'

You want separation of church and state, get your nose out of peoples' crotches; it comes from 'religion.'

'Religion' is used to control everyone but that top 2%...or is it the 1%.

It's been used to justify slavery, ownership of wives and children, rape, hatred of and violence against homosexuals, rape of wives, your lower than status in the economic food chain, the fact that some work for others and that people in poverty don't have "God's Grace".

Politicians are human and are not to be trusted. Make them heroes and you'll be betrayed.

Figure it out or stay the hell out of politics.

You want it different...yeah, then you're going to have to change the systems. If you're not up for that...

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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-11 12:28 AM
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19. K&R
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-11 12:29 AM
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20. KICK!!!
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-11 01:02 AM
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23. Okay, so, should I thank you x2 or ^2?
I am not kidding. I am asking in all seriousness.

My take is x2.

Regardless...

Thank you.

:hug:

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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-11 12:37 AM
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21. k&r
I've noticed that the same people who argue on this board, often, for prayers in schools, etc. are those who think Weiner should resign. I've noticed people on this board who use those slam words you posted over and over again to discredit positions on various issues - sometimes they're the same people as the first case.

I don't know the future, but I do not see how things can go on as they have been lately.

thanks for this post.
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-11 12:59 AM
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22. Thank you for noticing.
The "conservative" mind-set has no claims to one side of the aisle or the other.

I have a different view of what and how Weiner should have apologized. It can not be shared on this board.

That's all I can say...for now.

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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-11 01:07 AM
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24. The funny thing is that I'm a radical Socialist nut BECAUSE I am conservative by temperment.
That's how far off the rails our country has gone, when doing the common-sense and reasonable thing is a radical act. :crazy:
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-11 01:12 AM
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26. You and me, both.
Now...sit back and imagine the heads exploding from those couple of posts.

:rofl:

One of the most entertaining things about being/thinking/living "outside the box," is watching those inside the box dealing with it.

Yes. I am evil. I have earned it.

:evilgrin:

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