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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 02:41 AM
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The non-mysteriousness of liberal support for deficit reduction
MIKE KONCZAL has a post up that offers a cogent explanation for why many liberals are so concerned with reducing long-term deficits at the moment, rather than concentrating on unemployment. Prioritising deficit reduction over job creation is "an explicit goal for Republicans, so that isn’t a surprise. But why are Democratic, liberal types not worried enough about the demand shortfall and so much more worried about deficits?" It might help, he says, to take a look at the mainstream views of liberal economists before the Great Recession hit in 2008, and he picks an example of a speech given by none other than Christina Romer, one of the architects of Barack Obama's stimulus bill, in 2007. Ms Romer began by bemoaning 1960s conduct of macroeconomic policy, and hailing the shift that took place in the 1980s, which she thought stabilised the economy at low inflation levels and nearly eliminated the business cycle. (So much for that.) But:

...good hasn’t triumphed entirely. At the same time that we have seen a glorious counterrevolution in the ideas and conduct of short-run stabilization policy, we have seen a remarkable lack of progress in long-run fiscal policy. In this area, the legacy of 1960s beliefs is still very much with us and may threaten the long-run stability of the American economy… The consequences of persistent deficits may only be felt over a very long horizon… It is also possible that the effects of persistent deficits are highly nonlinear. Perhaps over a wide range, deficits and the cumulative public debt really do have little impact on the economy. But, at some point, the debt burden reaches a level that threatens the confidence of investors. Such a meltdown and a sudden stop of lending would unquestionably have enormous real consequences…
In other words, Mr Konczal writes, we shouldn't be surprised that liberals are prioritising deficit reduction. That was their priority before the Great Recession hit, and it still plays a big role in their thinking.

What surprises me here is that this needs to be explained at all, or even noted. Deficit reduction has been one of the most central, key liberal campaign platforms for as long as I have been politically aware. The current American political era begins with Ronald Reagan. Since the 1984 presidential campaign, and arguably since the 1980 campaign, Republicans have been running on massive tax cuts, and Democrats have been warning about exploding deficits. This is the basic structure of American partisan politics. It has been upended over the past two years because we've experienced an economic collapse on a scale not seen since the Great Depression. But it really shouldn't be surprising that Democratic politicians who have come of age over three decades during which the size of the deficits created by Republican tax cuts has been a constant theme of attack would be supportive of cutting the deficit. Walter Mondale campaigned on cutting the deficit, Mike Dukakis campaigned on cutting the deficit, Bill Clinton campaigned on cutting the deficit, Al Gore campaigned on creating a "lock box for Social Security" so the surplus wouldn't be wasted (again: so much for that), John Kerry campaigned on cutting the deficit, and Barack Obama campaigned on how irresponsible it had been to blow up the deficit over the previous eight years. Why would anyone be surprised that Democrats consider cutting the long-term deficit to be an extremely important goal?

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2011/06/deficit-reduction?fsrc=scn/tw/te/bl/thenonmysteriousnessofliberalsupport
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 02:49 AM
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1. because we "cut the deficit" by increasing taxes
not by discarding the safety net and investment in infrastructure while we continue to fully fund the Military Industrial Complex.

At least, that is what we are supposed to do. I guess that was before Mr. Hope and Change decided to surrender instead of changing the Bush tax cuts.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 03:37 AM
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4. Obama and the Democrats Tried to Change the Tax Cuts
They have no leverage over the Republicans, unfortunately. That meant it was all or nothing.
Given how weak the economy is, I think Obama picked the better of the two options available to him.

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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 04:12 AM
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6. Had they passed the budget before the 2010 elections they could have eliminated the tax cuts
But they were all too afraid to do so for fear we might lose the 2010 House
Then we got stuck with the spectacle at the end of 2010
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 04:36 AM
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7. they had all kinds of leverage
the tax cuts were gonna expire. No way Republicans would let that happen and then have to go back in the next election having voted AGAINST a tax cut for the majority of their voters. But Mr. Yes we can wimped out in the first round of a fifteen round fight without throwing a punch. "We couldn't win" is always gonna be true when "we" refuse to even try.
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Nostradammit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 03:16 AM
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2. How big is your catapult tonight, dkf?
FFS.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 03:19 AM
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3. Mike Konczal, working on behalf of Pete Peterson.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 04:50 AM
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9. Are you saying reducing deficits hasn't been part of the Democratic platform?
What is asserted here sounds about right to me.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 03:38 AM
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5. Wow, dkf, haven't seen you on a roll like this since defending Arizona's anti-immigrant law!
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 04:44 AM
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8. Anti illegal immigration law. Funny how the illegal part gets overlooked.
Edited on Mon Jun-06-11 04:52 AM by dkf
I'm okay with putting excessively punitive fines on employers who hire illegal workers too. $40,000 for each violation is fine by me or revoking business licenses. We aren't going to be growing jobs in significant numbers you know. The excess labor will only keep and reduce wages further.

And I've always been a deficit hawk. I prefer the balanced approach of getting back to Clinton rates, fixing loopholes, and fixing health care so that it doesn't bankrupt us.

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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-11 06:47 AM
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10. Cut to the chase....

Liberalism is a capitalist political philosophy.
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