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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 07:31 AM
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On Casting Stones


In 2008, a District Attorney from my area ran for Congress. We live in a heavily republican region in upstate New York, where it is almost impossible for even a person of my friend's stature to beat the typical republican slime. I remember in the final two weeks, at campaign headquarters, when Mike was thinking the campaign was going so well, that he was actually almost tied with the opposition.

I told him that he would win by the exact margin of the number of voters my two daughters, pictured above with him, spoke to during their door-to-door efforts to get out the vote. On election day, his wife pointed out that my prediction was pretty accurate. Then, off to Washington they went.

My daughters and I did not hesitate to use our direct line to DC. There were times that his staff welcomed our calls, and a few times when they politely disagreed with the opinions that I expressed. When I had opportunity to speak directly to Mike, the number one thing I remember is his saying how corrupt the system in Washington is.

When it came time for his re-election bid, it was evident that he wasn't sure he wanted to remain in a system he knew was rotten to the core. One afternoon, while my wife, daughters, and I had lunch with Mike and his wife, I remember saying that I thought he should at least try speaking out about what he saw, more in the style of another young Congressman from our state, Anthony Weiner. My impression was that he did not appreciate that suggestion. He went on to lose a close contest, decided by a margin of less than he had won by two years earlier.

It's a sick system that keeps an honest man from telling the truth. I suspect that a lot of citizens, no matter what their political affiliation, would appreciate a DA-style representative in the House, speaking out about the absolute corruption that has undermined our federal system of government. I thought that Weiner showed the potential to over-turn some tables in the DC temples.

I have mixed feelings now. There are some character issues, at least in the area of owning up to one's deeds, rather than allowing supporters to defend you against charges – serious or not – that you know to be accurate. At the same time, I'm not particularly interested in anyone else's sex life. The numerous instances of “family values” republicans being caught up in a web of hypocrisy are only of interest in that they want to hammer others for the very things they do in secret.

Most people outside of the porn industry would likely be a tad bit uncomfortable having their sex lives placed on the table for public consumption. I can remember that when I was a young, unmarried man, I sometimes gave in to the temptations of the flesh. Chief Waterman told me that, if one is going to take on any role of “leadership” (for lack of a better word), that there were were basic laws of behavior. Included among them were that, other than one's girlfriend/wife, virtually all women had to be treated as one's sisters. It wasn't exactly what I wanted to hear at the time, of course, but I always accepted Paul's teachings and instructions.

Today, I can see how sick the Washington style of “leadership” is, compared to the organic leadership of traditional society. I'm not about to cast stones at this fellow, Anthony Weiner. Instead, I'd suggest that we keep those stones, and use them to build the foundations for a different type of society.

Peace,
H2O Man
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 07:52 AM
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1. Well.... Being a D.A. today means working under the patriot act
and not so much the constitution. That, in itself, would make one clear about the sick system.... I say we restore the constitution, especially the right to privacy, and the boundaries about what one does with ones personal time, like tweeting nonsense, becomes more clear, that it is not our business... Just like it is not any of our business what radio station, movies, or food this man eats.... I think we need to dial it back at stop acting like voyeurs....

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warrior1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 08:22 AM
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2. Like they
always say, it's the lessor of two evils. It seems we are stuck in a system that turns a good man/woman into...I was going to say robots but it isn't that. I hate losing something I didn't know I had.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 08:30 AM
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3. K&R n/t
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 10:48 AM
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4. Throwing stones is easy.
Much easier than building foundations for a different type of society. Easier still when those that make a living of throwing stones have no interest in the latter.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 11:26 AM
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5. Right.
Well said.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 12:36 PM
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6. "It's a sick system that keeps an honest man from telling the truth."
sigh
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Wind Dancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 12:39 PM
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7. Words of wisdom!
K & R!
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 03:53 PM
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8. .
:kick:
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 04:48 PM
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9. Maybe male politicians should be castrated ...
just to make sure they're not idiots.
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-11 02:29 AM
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13. What about Palin, Bachmann, et.al.? ;-)
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-11 12:31 AM
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10. Perhaps a better society will
begin when we call the liars out and tell them we won't tolerate anymore.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-11 01:35 AM
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11. Maybe we could begin by not accepting the far rightwing view of
sex as shameful and staying away from the personal lives of public figures.

Very nice post, as always.





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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-11 01:54 AM
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12. Very good post.
My problem is that these questions about people's private sex lives are asked...DARING people not to lie. These are politically motivated "GOTCHA" questions. Nothing more, nothing less. It was evident from the start that he tried not to answer these questions. But instead of them going away...they got more intense...until he was finally cornered into answering and he chose to lie.

I don't think the questions should be asked. They are inappropriate. They serve no public purpose. Which is why I could care less if they are lied to. As long as children and animals weren't involved--I.don't.care. I don't care about the question and I don't care about the answer--even if it is a lie.

Why is our society such that these guys can't just look at them and say "I've done nothing illegal and I'm not going to answer questions about my sex life" and then suggest they subscribe to Hustler if they need intimate details regarding others sex lives.
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-11 02:30 AM
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14. K&R :) n/t
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Bluesbreaker Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-11 05:02 AM
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15. Well said
I''m sure you express what a lot of us are feeling.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-11 07:22 AM
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16. i don't want Weiner to resign.
and i want him to know that. maybe you could pass it on. he's just too important, his voice, in that place.

my 2 cents
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-11 07:25 AM
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17. At this point,
I don't either. And I am attempting to communicate that message.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-11 07:39 AM
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18. i just left a message
at his Kew Gardens office. the DC voice mail was full. thanks H20 Man
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-11 09:13 AM
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19. "the organic leadership of traditional society...
...the foundations for a different type of society."
:thumbsup:
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classof56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-11 11:11 AM
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20. While I'm disillusioned beyond words right about now,
I commend you on your commitment to the democratic process and your advice to build foundations rather than cast stones. Wise words indeed! Sorry about Mike's political experience. Seems symptomatic of what's gone so terribly wrong in our country. Oh, and just want to say, your daughters are beautiful!

Peace and blessings.
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blackspade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-11 11:42 AM
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21. Right on.
Excellent OP.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-11 01:00 PM
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22. Great points and post, H20 Man. Except that I reserve the right to throw a couple
of rocks at Weiner for his bald-faced lying when he knew it would be far worse when he was exposed for the tweets AND for the lying.

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-11 01:27 PM
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24. You know, B-Man,
I absolutely understand why people are angry, and are expressing that anger. Yes, oh yes, I do.

And I'm not trying to tell anyone to hold it inside. Or stifle it. And I can only speak for myself. But at this point of my old age, I find it beneficial to try to channel that type of energy into something positive and constructive. For the moment, at least, Rep. Weiner ain't nowhere to be found in the field of positive or constructive.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-11 01:03 PM
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23. I like the metaphor very much. I also like mocking Weiner-boy!
Edited on Wed Jun-08-11 01:03 PM by WinkyDink
AND calling him out for the lying, crude-talkin' weasel he is!
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