ICC prosecutor - Kadhafi ordered sex drugs for Libya rapes

[tabatha]

UNITED NATIONS — Investigators have evidence that Libyan leader Moamer Kadhafi ordered mass rapes and bought containers of sex drugs for troops to attack women, the chief ICC prosecutor said Wednesday.

Luis Moreno-Ocampo said he may ask for a new charge of mass rape to be made against Kadhafi following the new evidence. The chief International Criminal Court prosecutor is expecting a decision from judges within days on his request for crimes against humanity charges against the Libyan leader.

"Now we are getting some information that Kadhafi himself decided to rape and this is new," Moreno-Ocampo told reporters.

He said there were reports of hundreds of women attacked in some areas of Libya, which is in the grip of a months-long internal rebellion.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iFma7CoqaJd5CkGGM5rMhoXyAZ8A?docId=CNG.e3a9d5e807ecdf4c688c40ef9ac6acc5.481

[gratuitous]

1. Prosecution? What's all this, then?

They're going to have evidence and stuff? That's not the American way! Just blast him to Kingdom Come and be done with it. We're all agreed that (this week at least) Qaddafi is very, very bad, so he's not entitled to any of that "due process" stuff. That's reserved for people we like.

[tabatha]

2. But the article describes the due process stuff. WYTA?

No thoughts for the victims?

And what about the due process for people who were protesting peacefully and were gunned down by tanks?

Children sleeping at home shelled with grads?

Where was the due process for them?

[gratuitous]

7. Oh, it's the ICC driving this bus

Those Yurpeans! Always on about their legal procedures and rules of evidence. So quaint and 20th century of them. Real, he-man countries of action have dispensed with all that folderol, and go straight to the execution of people they don't like, whether it's some guy in Pakistan or a woman on a bus in Colombia. As long as everyone agrees that the person executed was very, very bad, it's all good.

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[gratuitous]

11. Is this the week we like due process again?

Because I get confused. This talk of investigations and developing evidence, which seems to follow some quaint old notions about following the rule of law, was pretty much glossed over last month when the American people liked the outcome: A dead suspect with the body dumped at sea.

For the record, I'm in favor of the rule of law, a fair trial, and access by the accused to every available right. That doesn't seem to be the way we do things in the United States anymore. And, while ICC investigators are actually trying to build a legal case against Qaddafi, we're once again running drone attacks and killing all kinds of folks - combatants and non-combatants alike - with the excuse that Qaddafi's a bad, bad person.

There's a meet and proper way to go about things, and a way that's every bit as criminal as the alleged criminal you're in such hot pursuit of. If that's "US bashing," there's a simple remedy for the way we're conducting our affairs: By preserving, protecting and defending the Constitution, instead of engaging in our own crimes against humanity.

[tabatha]

16. The NATO bombings

have been remarkable in their lack of civilian casualties.

So much so that in Tripoli where most of the bombings have occurred, people walk around without any concerns, and at night they stand on their roof tops and cheer when the bombing occurs.

All attempts by the Gaddafi regime to show civilian casualties have been a sham and shown to be a fraud.

There is something quite remarkable that you are missing:

Gaddafi has the military weaponry, and that is what NATO is attacking with very few casualties.

The people of Libya have had next to nothing - weaponry stolen from Gaddafi left-overs, 100-year old weapons, and probably a few new items sneaking in. NATO has refused to arm the FF.

Yet, Gaddafi is shelling civilian homes, towns, hospitals. Gaddafi snipers have picked off civilians including children one by one.

But you are up in arms when NATO tries to take that ability away from Gaddafi ???????

Libya is not Afghanistan. Libya is not Iraq. Libya is not Iran or any other country.

For once, NATO is doing something right.

[inna]

29. "at night they stand on their roof tops and cheer when the bombing occurs."

Oh, fuck. :crazy:

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[Canuckistanian]

14. Heh.

:thumbsup:

[joshcryer]

20. Actually, I am sure everyone involved would prefer he be in a bunker when NATO hits it.

It would solve the problem neatly and nicely. But the ICC investigation would likely go on for the other two instigators (Saif and another lesser known guy, Gaddafi's executioner).

[TheWraith]

3. Kicked and recced, still at zero.

I guess this doesn't fit in with the image some people still hold of Kadhafi being an innocent victim of imperialist aggression.

[tabatha]

4. Yep, selective outrage.

[meow mix]

13. incubator baby tossing!!!!11!!

i remember many people saying that exact thing. not an exaggeration.

[meow mix]

5. and the tin-hatters said this could never be, rape never happens in war.

a large percentage of posters went ghaddaffi-apology happy on this one.

[TheWraith]

6. And not just rape, not just allowing rape, not even ENCOURAGING rape...

...but actually drugging up your own troops to make sure they go out there and commit as much rape as humanly possible.

[joshcryer]

21. I saw a fucking comment that said viagra was a good combat drug to get your blood flowing!

Jesus.

(Note: comment was on a news story comment thread not here on DU.)

[defendandprotect]

24. United Nations confirmed decade or more ago -- RAPE is a tool of war -- !!

But agree -- it's been sad that we've known for months what was going

on from doctors reports and so few here beleived it!!

Condoms and viagra !!

[TheWraith]

10. Apparently we have room for 500 threads of "Weiner" puns...

But nobody gives a shit about Libya.

[meow mix]

12. the clamor on this was deafening, when first exposed.. i wonder where all the know-it-alls are now?

weird.
:shrug:

[TheWraith]

15. The crickets are deafening. nt

[defendandprotect]

25. True ... but the point is to disrupt and cast doubt ... not to learn anything -- !!

[joshcryer]

26. What is annoying is how Susan Rice was shit on for reporting on AJE's report...

...as fact (an easy mistake if you didn't watch the report fully), and then the reports come out from HRW, Amnesty, and other anti-rape advocacy orgs and you just see wow, AJE's original report had some truth to it!

[joshcryer]

22. There are a bunch of us who care about Libya, what breaks my heart is Syria.

We try to cover it but news from there is very highly restricted. :( :cry:

Libya is on its way to successful revolution, I don't know about Syria.

[Odin2005]

17. So much for the idiotic comparisons to the lies about Saddam and babies in incubators.

[classysassy]

18. Rape vs Murder

Rape is a crime against humanity so is murder,when will Mr Moreno-Ocampo serve Mr Bush his indictment papers?

[tabatha]

19. I hope one day.

[joshcryer]

23. We need a President with courage to avoid a veto at the UNSC and it can happen.

Unfortunately I do not believe Obama is that President, but maybe the next one?

[Monk06]

27. DU citing AFP now, what next National Enquirer?

[Cerridwen]

28. Why aren't you just precious?

Here you go darlin'.

Prosecutor says Gaddafi linked to rape policy Oh, look, Reuters.

Gaddafi 'ordered troops to rape' Oh, look, Telegraph. Those damned "micks".

International Court Suggests Qaddafi Employing Rape Against Enemies OMG!!!111, Radio Free Europe!!!

[joshcryer]

30. LOL, 450 reports on Google News as of this posting.

[muriel_volestrangler]

31. Huh? What do you mean by that?

If it's sarcasm, I can't really see whom it's aimed against. No-one on DU has ever said AFP was a dodgy source, I'd think.

[joshcryer]

32. Prehaps they prefer American Free Press to Agence France-Presse.

AFP (Agence France-Presse) and AP are about as dry and straightforward as news wire press that you can get (excepting editorials which are always noted as such and whose content is the authors and merely shared by the news wire service).

[muriel_volestrangler]

33. Ah, I hadn't thought of them thinking it was American Free Press

It's a long time since I'd seen any sign of that cesspit - I wouldn't have known if it still existed.

Maybe it shows that poster's low opinion of Google - that they thought it would host 'news' reports from American Free Press.

[Monk06]

34. I was referring to AFPI a dodgy group of expat Kenyans and Ugandans based in Norway

A favorite source cited in Freepland as an 'authoritative'
source for African political news. I may have confused the
original citation in the OP. Not to be confused with AFP
Agence Free Presse or any other news service. Sorry for the
confusion.

Here is an example of the AFPI's political leanings,

https://africanpress.wordpress.com/2008/10/01/dumb-quotes-gaffes-and-lies-by-sarah-palin-updated-frequently/

Again apologies for any confusion.

[Iterate]

35. I have no idea of your views, but applaud

the correction and apology. Wow. It's a rare thing.