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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-11 08:04 PM
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Hypatia... I Feel Your Pain... From: Carl Sagan's 'Cosmos', Chapter 13: 'Who Speaks For Earth?'
Edited on Sun Jun-12-11 08:05 PM by WillyT




<snip>

...

Alexandria was the publishing capital of the planet. Of course, there were no
printing presses then. Books were expensive; every one of them was copied by hand. The
Library was the repository of the most accurate copies in the world. The art of critical
editing was invented there. The Old Testament comes down to us mainly from the Greek
translations made in the Alexandrian Library. The Ptolemys devoted much of their
enormous wealth to the acquisition of every Greek book, as well as works from Africa,
Persia, India, Israel and other parts of the world. Ptolemy III Euergetes wished to borrow
from Athens the original manuscripts or official state copies of the great ancient tragedies
of Sophocles, Aeschylus and Euripides. To the Athenians, these were a kind of cultural
patrimony - something like the original handwritten copies and first folios of Shakespeare
might be in England. They were reluctant to let the manuscripts out of their hands even for
a moment. Only after Ptolemy guaranteed their return with an enormous cash deposit did
they agree to lend the plays. But Ptolemy valued those scrolls more than gold or silver. He
forfeited the deposit gladly and enshrined, as well he might, the originals in the Library.
The outraged Athenians had to content themselves with the copies that Ptolemy, only a
little shamefacedly, presented to them. Rarely has a state so avidly supported the pursuit of
knowledge.

The Ptolemys did not merely collect established knowledge; they encouraged and
financed scientific research and so generated new knowledge. The results were amazing:
Eratosthenes accurately calculated the size of the Earth, mapped it, and argued that India
could be reached by sailing westward from Spain. Hipparchus anticipated that stars come
into being, slowly move during the course of centuries, and eventually perish; it was he
who first catalogued the positions and magnitudes of the stars to detect such changes.
Euclid produced a textbook on geometry from which humans learned for twenty-three
centuries, a work that was to help awaken the scientific interest of Kepler, Newton and
Einstein. Galen wrote basic works on healing and anatomy which dominated medicine until
the Renaissance. There were, as we have noted, many others. Alexandria was the greatest
city the Western world had ever seen. People of all nations came there to live, to trade,
to learn. On any given day, its harbors were thronged with merchants, scholars and tourists.
This was a city where Greeks, Egyptians, Arabs, Syrians, Hebrews, Persians, Nubians, Phoenicians, Italians, Gauls and Iberians exchanged merchandise and ideas. It is probably here that the word cosmopolitan realized its true meaning - citizen, not just of a nation, but of the Cosmos. To be a citizen of the Cosmos . . .

Here clearly were the seeds of the modern world. What prevented them from taking
root and flourishing? Why instead did the West slumber through a thousand years of
darkness until Columbus and Copernicus and their contemporaries rediscovered the work
done in Alexandria? I cannot give you a simple answer. But I do know this: there is no
record, in the entire history of the Library, that any of its illustrious scientists and scholars
ever seriously challenged the political, economic and religious assumptions of their society.
The permanence of the stars was questioned; the justice of slavery was not. Science and
learning in general were the preserve of a privileged few. The vast population of the city
had not the vaguest notion of the great discoveries taking place within the Library. New
findings were not explained or popularized. The research benefited them little. Discoveries
in mechanics and steam technology were applied mainly to the perfection of weapons, the
encouragement of superstition, the amusement of kings. The scientists never grasped the
potential of machines to free people.* The great intellectual achievements of antiquity had
few immediate practical applications. Science never captured the imagination of the
multitude. There was no counterbalance to stagnation, to pessimism, to the most abject
surrenders to mysticism. When, at long last, the mob came to burn the Library down, there
was nobody to stop them.

The last scientist who worked in the Library was a mathematician, astronomer,
physicist and the head of the Neoplatonic school of philosophy - an extraordinary range of
accomplishments for any individual in any age. Her name was Hypatia. She was born in
Alexandria in 370. At a time when women had few options and were treated as property,
Hypatia moved freely and unselfconsciously through traditional male domains. By all
accounts she was a great beauty. She had many suitors but rejected all offers of marriage.
The Alexandria of Hypatia’s time - by then long under Roman rule - was a city under grave
strain. Slavery had sapped classical civilization of its vitality. The growing Christian
Church was consolidating its power and attempting to eradicate pagan influence and
culture. Hypatia stood at the epicenter of these mighty social forces. Cyril, the Archbishop
of Alexandria, despised her because of her close friendship with the Roman governor, and
because she was a symbol of learning and science, which were largely identified by the
early Church with paganism. In great personal danger, she continued to teach and publish,
until, in the year 415, on her way to work she was set upon by a fanatical mob of Cyril’s
parishioners. They dragged her from her chariot, tore off her clothes, and, armed with
abalone shells, flayed her flesh from her bones. Her remains were burned, her works obliterated,
her name forgotten. Cyril was made a saint.


The glory of the Alexandrian Library is a dim memory. Its last remnants were
destroyed soon after Hypatia’s death. It was as if the entire civilization had undergone some
self-inflicted brain surgery, and most of its memories, discoveries, ideas and passions were
extinguished irrevocably. The loss was incalculable. In some cases, we know only the
tantalizing titles of the works that were destroyed. In most cases, we know neither the titles
nor the authors. We do know that of the 123 plays of Sophocles in the Library, only seven
survived. One of those seven is Oedipus Rex. Similar numbers apply to the works of
Aeschylus and Euripides. It is a little as if the only surviving works of a man named
William Shakespeare wereCoriolanus and A Winter’s Tale, but we had heard that he had
written certain other plays, unknown to us but apparently prized in his time, works entitled
Hamlet, Macbeth, Julius Caesar, King Lear, Romeo and Juliet.
Of the physical contents of that glorious Library not a single scroll remains.

...

<snip>

Link: http://www.scribd.com/doc/2513076/Carl-Sagan-Cosmos

Thank you, Carl... for the reminder.



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Lost-in-FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-11 08:33 PM
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1. Last week I had the oportunity of watching the movie "Agora"...
Edited on Sun Jun-12-11 08:33 PM by Lost-in-FL
for the first time. I believe it did not play in the US and was even banned in a handful of countries.
Sad movie indeed. :cry:

http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMjA0NDYzNTg5MF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwOTQ5OTg5NA@@._V1._SY317_CR4,0,214,317_.jpg
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-11 08:40 PM
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2. Thank You For That !!! - I'll Definitely Check It Out !!!
:yourock:

:hi:
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PhillySane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-11 09:08 PM
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3. Thank you
for this post!

K&R
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-11 09:31 PM
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4. Anytime...
:hi:
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-11 12:34 AM
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11. Why was it banned?
looks like a good movie
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1186830/

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Lost-in-FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-11 01:44 AM
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12. Was banned "indirectly" due to "complaints" of Anti-Catholic bias.
I read somewhere that it was banned in Italy (of course :eyes: ) due to criticism by the Vatican. A Spanish Anti-defamation Catholic association called for the movie to be censored which made it almost impossible for the movie to be distributed. It was a success in Spain though but distribution around the world was very slow. It is a great movie.
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-11 03:52 PM
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14. Something like that happened with "2001: A Space Odyssey"
I don't know if it was banned outright, but the Catholic Church didn't like it.
Don't remember why.

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LeftOfSelf-Centered Donating Member (270 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-11 11:02 AM
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18. AFAIK It wasn't banned in Italy...
Edited on Tue Jun-14-11 11:04 AM by LeftOfSelf-Centered
I remember seeing previews on TV when it was in the theaters, and saw the DVD for sale last week.
I wasn't even aware that there was any controversy about the movie, but then I don't listen to anything the Vatican says anyway... :)

Edit: spelling
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-11 12:59 PM
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25. We just recently watched _Agora_ on Netflix.
It was much better than I thought it would be. :thumbsup:
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Duppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-11 10:54 PM
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5. Thank you, WillyT
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-11 11:35 PM
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9. You Are Quite Welcome !!!
:hi:
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-11 11:01 PM
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6. So much history on our pale, blue dot
This post couldn't be more timely. Thanks!
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-11 11:54 PM
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10. That's What I Was Thinkin...
:D

:hi:
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Liquorice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-11 11:01 PM
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7. Hypatia has long been one of my favorite women of all time. I am so
happy to see her name here.
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FirstLight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-11 11:06 PM
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8. bookmarked... awesome
maybe i need to re-read this book, too...thanks for the post :)
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-11 06:42 AM
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13. And the worst part is, the very same anti-intellectual / anti-progressive attitudes...
are alive and well today. And naturally, they still tend to accompany religious fanaticism.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-11 08:29 PM
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15. Yep...
And thank you!!!

:hi:
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-11 08:32 PM
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16. Too late for the Sagan autorec. This is a really good bit, thanks for reminding folks
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-11 10:37 AM
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17. A Lot Of The Series Is On YouTube Apparently...
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-11 05:37 PM
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32. The book should be read and considered a companion piece as folks watch the videos.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-11 11:10 AM
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19. I'm reading that book right now...
Just started, so I won't read the entire piece posted... but it's good you posted it.

Sagan was a sage... I hope we listen more closely to him after death than we did while he lived. What an astounding human.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-11 11:34 AM
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20. Outstanding Book, Outstanding TV Series On PBS Back In 1980... And It's Been Updated...
After you finish the book, you might want to check out the series. It's been updated with help from Sagan's wife and co-author, Ann Druyan.

Link: http://www.amazon.com/Cosmos-Carl-Sagan-DVD-Set/dp/B000055ZOB

Editorial Reviews - Amazon.com

When Cosmos was first broadcast in 1980, our world--and the context of Carl Sagan's eloquent "personal journey"--was a different place. The late Dr. Sagan would be pleased to witness the cooling of the Cold War, the continued exploration of space, and ongoing efforts to curb our destructive dependence on fossil fuels. For Sagan's series is far more than a guided tour through "billions and billions" of stars and galaxies. It remains a profound plea for the unity of humankind, for the recognition that "we are a way for the universe to know itself," with an obligation to know our origin, our place in the universe, and our future potential.

In the course of 13 fascinating hours, Cosmos spans its own galaxy of topics to serve Sagan's theme, each segment deepening our understanding of how we got from there (simple microbes in the primordial mud) to here (space-faring civilization in the 21st century). In his "ship of the imagination," Sagan guides us to the farthest reaches of space and takes us back into the history of scientific inquiry, from the ancient library of Alexandria to the NASA probes of our neighboring planets. Upon this vast canvas Sagan presents the "cosmic calendar," placing the 15-billion-year history of the universe into an accessible one-year framework, then filling it with a stunning chronology of events, both interstellar and earthbound.

From the lives of the stars to creation theories, functions of the human brain, and the ongoing search for extraterrestrial intelligence, Cosmos asks big questions. When appropriate, Sagan offers big answers, or asks still bigger--and yes, even spiritual--questions at the boundaries of science and religion. What's most remarkable about Cosmos is that it remains almost entirely fresh, with few updates needed to the science that Sagan so passionately celebrates. It is no exaggeration to say that Cosmos--for all the debate it may continue to provoke--is a vital document for humanity at a pivotal crossroads of our history.

--Jeff Shannon

Product Description - The complete landmark TV series - 13 one-hour episodes, including:

I: The Shores Of the Cosmos
II: One Voice In the Cosmic Fugue
III: The Harmony Of the Worlds
IV: Heaven and Hell
V: Blues For A Red Planet
VI: Travellers' Tales
VII: The Backbone of Night
VIII: Travels In Space and Time
IX: The Lives Of the Stars
X: The Edge Of Forever
XI: The Persistence Of Memory
XII: Encyclopedia Galactica
XIII: Who Speaks For Earth?


Enjoy !!!

:hi:
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-11 11:59 AM
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21. I caught a couple of episodes!
Edited on Tue Jun-14-11 12:00 PM by JuniperLea
Chills! Love it! The updates are amazing... mostly because they show how spot on Sagan was. When something has changed, as happens whenever more is learned, the Cosmos updates tell you how and why things changed. And there is precious little of that in the episodes I caught.

I watched the original series when they first aired and caught them in reruns for years. Seeing them again now is a wonderful thing.

I appreciate the love story as well... so touching! Brainiacs fall in love too! LOL! It seemed so 'meant-to-be' and so right.

I'll be buying this series, no question!

So happy to see other Sagan fans here!

:hi:
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-11 12:12 PM
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22. I regret having missed this thread, too late to recommend.
Thanks, WillyT.:thumbsup:
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-11 12:20 PM
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23. Anytime Uncle Joe, Anytime...
:hi:
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-11 12:42 PM
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24. I'm embarrassed to say I didn't know who she was until a few months back. nt
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-11 01:00 PM
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26. Kicked. "Cyril was made a saint." -- That about sums it up, doesn't it?
Edited on Tue Jun-14-11 01:00 PM by Ignis
:argh:

:kick:
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-11 01:44 PM
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27. Yes, Yes It Does... And Those Who Refuse To Learn The Lessons Of History...
are doomed...

:shrug:

:hi:
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hifiguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-11 01:55 PM
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28. Beautiful.
Would that we had a lot more Carl Sagans in the world. I really miss his calm, wise voice.

:cry:
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QuintanarooBoy Donating Member (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-11 02:02 PM
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29. Hypatia Lee?
Fine actress. Love her!
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-11 02:10 PM
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30. Really... REALLY ???
All you got out of the OP was material for a porn star joke?

:evilfrown:
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QuintanarooBoy Donating Member (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-11 02:12 PM
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31. Yeah
Pretty much.
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