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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-11 11:51 AM
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Our abortion was different: When the anti-choice choose
Anyone know if there is any truth to this story.
http://early-onset-of-night.tumblr.com/post/6502308112/our-abortion-was-different-when-the-anti-choice
Rick Santorum, former Pennsylvania senator and likely presidential candidate, wants all abortions outlawed. He has even said that abortion providers should be “criminally charged.”
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Two days later, she became severely feverish. She was rushed to the hospital and placed on intravenous antibiotics, which reduced her fever and bought her some time, but could not eliminate the source of infection: the fetus.

Karen was going to die if her pregnancy was not ended, if the fetus was not removed from her body. So, at 20 weeks, one month before what doctors consider ‘viability’, labor was artificially induced and the infected fetus was delivered. It died shortly thereafter.
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Today, hindsight being 20/20, Karen says she would have authorized the procedure after all, justifying the saving of her own life by explaining that her other children would have lost a mother.

I'd like to find a better source than this. Other sources say that she went into premature labor involuntarily.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-11 11:54 AM
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1. Anti-abortion people are insane, imho. nt
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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-11 11:55 AM
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2. This link has better sources.
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-11 12:01 PM
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5. I'd prefer something more mainstream than oursilverribbon.org.
The NewYorker article, for example says that it was premature labor rather than induced labor.
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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-11 12:41 PM
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10. I meant the links there would be a good place to start.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-11 12:53 PM
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13. Just protecting the hypocrite. Premature labor means a miscarriage.
Induced labor means abortion.

Once again, that left-wing rag is protecting the fascist, spinning it HIS way.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-11 12:56 PM
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16. That is what I found from googling this, that it wasn't an "abortion" because it wasn't induced
hypocritical spinning.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-11 11:56 AM
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3. googling shows lots of links to that and protests that it wasn't induced.
The last paragraph, quote, is not true but rather like The Onion.
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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-11 11:57 AM
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4. This is from the Philadelphia Inquirer:
At minimum, the doctor said, Karen had to be given antibiotics intravenously or she might go into septic shock and die.

The Santorums were at a crossroads.

Once they agreed to use antibiotics, they believed they were committing to delivery of the fetus, which they knew would most likely not survive outside the womb.</strong>

“The doctors said they were talking about a matter of hours or a day or two before risking sepsis and both of them might die,” Santorum said. “Obviously, if it was a choice of whether both Karen and the child are going to die or just the child is going to die, I mean it’s a pretty easy call.”
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-11 12:02 PM
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6. The Inquirer is a good source.
Do you have a link to that?
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-11 12:55 PM
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14. So what is the easy call for him?
Since he says no abortions even to save the life of the mother, his easy call would have been to LET THEM BOTH DIE.


But to those of us who are pro-choice, save the Mother, she can have more kids and take care of the ones she has then.
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LibertyLover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-11 12:09 PM
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7. How fortunate it was for the entire Santorum family
that Mrs. Santorum was able to choose to save her life by having an abortion. I'm sorry for her, and for the family's, sake that it resulted in the death of a wanted child, but Mrs. Santorum was able to go on and have several more children. As she says, had she not had the medical procedure she did, her then-living children would have lost their mother. How sad that Mr. Santorum wishes to make orphans of other women's children and widowers of their husbands.
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-11 12:15 PM
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8. And her story is repeated day after day across this country!
So sad that choice is only good for those who feel they are more important than the rest of us!
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-11 12:36 PM
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9. The antichoicers think our destiny is to die in childbirth as punishment for sex
We were getting lumpy from having their other children, anyway, and they'd love to be able to get younger, sleeker wives.

However, it's likely this labor was induced if the fetus came out alive. It just can't be taken as fact unless hospital records are obtained to confirm it. Good luck with that.
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CC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-11 12:42 PM
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11. Though they call it by
other names, yes she did have a late term abortion. A near by Catholic hospital calls it early delivery even when they know there is no chance the fetus will survive. That is how they get around the Church's ban on all abortions. The way the anti-abortion pro-forced pregnancy crowd judges things then Mrs Santorum not only had an abortion but one of the worse types (late) that crowd can imagine and her life should not of had any weight in the matter. Sine the Santorums are pretty much in and the public face of that crowd I call them hypocrites.



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Curmudgeoness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-11 12:55 PM
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15. Yes, the anti-abortion crowd have D&C's instead of abortions,
and induced labor instead of late term abortions. A rose by any other name....
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-11 12:44 PM
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12. I can think of several anti-choicers who have had an abortion..
I know of one within my own extended family.

And yes, they're still vehemently anti-choice, just like they were before they had their own abortion.

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mainer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-11 12:58 PM
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17. "the only moral abortion is my abortion"
With examples of several anti-choicers who had abortions and then headed right back to the picket lines.
Doctors should just stop giving these anti-choice women abortions. Let them deal with the consequences of their own beliefs.

http://mypage.direct.ca/w/writer/anti-tales.html
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Retrograde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-11 01:41 PM
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18. But, you see, that's not really an abortion
The baby was born - with a lot of medical coaxing - and God in his infinite wisdom and mercy allowed the newborn to die. It's not an abortion because Santorum is opposed to abortion under any circumstances and wouldn't allow his wife to have one to save her life: it was a medical procedure done in a hospital with real doctors and not at an abortion clinic. QED.

It was probably a very hard decision for them to make, and I don't mean to criticize their decision. I just wish they would extend the rights they exercised to others.
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LeftinOH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-11 01:43 PM
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19. I was under the impression that their case was one of sudden miscarriage;
anything else is "abortion" -even in the anti-choicers' own terms. 'Artifically induced' or 'D&C' is still an abortion (isn't it?). Oh, the hypocrisy.
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