Now that Wiener is out of the way. Who wants to bet that the Democrats cave on Social Security, Medi

[devilgrrl]

care, Planned Parenthood and who knows what else.

They caved on prosecuting the Bush Administration, caved on the Patriot Act, caved on Wiener, caved on for profit colleges, too name a few... with a record like that, you know that they'll cave again. And god help us all when they do.

And another thing. If so many here are upset with Wiener lying about racy pictures - then why do you let Democrats and Obama get away with pretending that their liberals?

[RandomThoughts]

1. If what you say is correct.

Why would you think they will get away with it?

How far are you looking down the road?

[roguevalley]

53. medicaid is gone. all the rest will be next. even the idiots on the

teevee agree that medicaid is gone. Obama played golf with Boner and Kasicko and you know that he gave away a whole bunch of children's last hopes.

[Edweird]

2. Those were foregone conclusions either way. DLC=GOP

[xphile]

3. I don't take sucker bets.

And I'm quite certain that the party will cave. It's only a matter of time.

And I bet that whole thing about Clarence Thomas lying on his forms about where his wife makes her money will be quietly swept under the rug too.

[Big Blue Marble]

4. You understand if they do, they are done

as a viable national party. It is their signature issue. In these times, it is easy to be cynical, but I do not think
even they are this foolish. At least, I hope not for all our sakes.

[devilgrrl]

9. Yes. I do think that they're THAT foolish.

Why shouldn't I think that?

[SDuderstadt]

19. Then, why are you a...

Democrat?

[devilgrrl]

25. 1. What do you fucking care? 2. Aren't Democrats supposed to be left of center?

With an exception of a few, Democrats in the house and senate are corporate shills.

[SDuderstadt]

32. Like I asked...

why are you a Democrat?

First of all, the Democratic party is very much a centrist, moderate and left coalition. Secondly, it's really nonsense to claim that all but a few Democrats in the House and Senate are "corporate shills".

[JoeyT]

58. Because they support Democratic values.

The real question is why all these people that support values that are traditionally Republican ones are Democrats.

[Jakes Progress]

21. They have been done

since we elected someone we thought was a Democrat. Our party doesn't exist at the national level any more. The NeoDem party doesn't give a damn about what you think. They get their money from elsewhere and it seems that money is all that is needed to win elections.

[lifesbeautifulmagic]

24. my only argument would be that the other side is

just so bat shit insane, the feeling may be that they can do whatever they want (destroy ss, medicare) and still be assured of winning elections, because look at the alternative. jmho.

and gawd, I hope I am wrong.

[Donnachaidh]

49. if the dems cave before the elections -- WTF is the DIFFERENCE?

Seriously - this administration has done everything short of handing the pukes the keys to Fort Knox. And most of the time what was given was given even before a real request was made.

So how are we to remain frightened of the *the other side is batshit crazy* idea when OUR side is so good at giving it up ANYWAY to the batshit crazy side?

We have SERIOUSLY gone beyond the *lesser of two evils* argument. I personally don't think a *vote for me - I enable the batshit crazy side* bumpersticker is going to work for this administration - no matter how many rainbows and fistbumps they cover it with.

[eilen]

54. I don't think they are done, they will just have come full circle

What we have is a fringe radical right party and a moderate right party. What I call the "thinking Republicans" are being driven out of the Republican party and will join up with the Democratic party as they are moderate right centrists and not batshit crazy, cruel and stupid. As more join the Democratic party it becomes more conservative as it is afforded access and more dependable money stream from traditional conservative corporate donors.

In time the progressives, more left leaning members of the Democratic party become extremely dissatisfied with the direction, break off and form a new party that reflects what we in the 20th century had considered to be "traditional Democratic values" -- fighting for labor, the working man, the downtrodden, the powerless and disenfranchised.

As economic times improve and stabilize the crazy Far Right loses steam and dies.

I think this kind of what happened to the Whigs.

[Whisp]

5. I wonder if Wiener knew he was the Jenga piece holding the whole democratic party together

tug at Wiener and everything falls apart.

:D ha!

[Exultant Democracy]

11. ha

[devilgrrl]

Let's see how hard you laugh when something actually happens.

:hi:

[Whisp]

28. you can be assured 'something' will happen.

in fact it just did! my dog just farted.

[devilgrrl]

29. Hopefully on you

eom

[Whisp]

34. you should write for Jon Stewart!

:rofl:

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[Whisp]

43. you should learn to control youself a little better

and hey, I like Carlos Santana, whats up with that?

[OHdem10]

6. First, the tax cuts on Higher Incomes.

[SDuderstadt]

16. It's quite a bit more complicated than...

the Democrats simply caving on the taxcuts. Please quit misrepresenting it.

[sufrommich]

7. If losing one democrat means the end of medicare and

social security then we're screwed. I don't believe the dems will budge on either.

[me b zola]

47. It will come with a ribbon, bow, and gift tag that reads

"See, we saved medicare and social security by privatizing it!"

[martymar64]

50. Give 'em time they'll cave. Obama will see to that.

[Cronus Protagonist]

8. They caved before, they will cave now

Nothing has changed in that regard.

[devilgrrl]

10. Yep.

eom

[CakeGrrl]

12. Yes, they were just waiting for that one pesky Congressman

to do something, SOMETHING, to give them an excuse to get rid of him before they let the real fun and hijinks begin. He was the only one standing in the way.


:crazy:

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[devilgrrl]

17. Why waste the time? Democrats already do a great job of that on their own.

It would nice to see a left wing party in the United States again but I have a feeling that won't happen again in my lifetime.

:hi:

[Tx4obama]

35. Seems like nowadays all folks of all parties and stripes seem to be bashing their own.

It's like the whole f'ing world has gone nuts lately :)
Women that support the republicans that want to take away rights from women regarding their own bodies.
African-Americans that support the republicans that want to take away their rights.
LGBTers that attack supporters.
Citizens that were once immigrants that don't want other immigrants to achieve citizenship.
And it goes on and on.

I'm glad I won't be around in 50 years,
unless something changes America is going to be one big mess!

[me b zola]

48. What a crazy talking point

The poster seems to not like that one of the few voices from the left is flogged out of the party, and your assumption (well, the assumption that this putrid talking point is asserting) is that she really wants to move to the right? :crazy:

[valerief]

14. Oh, but they're doing it for our own good.

:sarcasm:

[hifiguy]

15. As sure as eggs is eggs

it will happen, if not now, within a year. On every issue.

[RKP5637]

18. I call it the democratic party, but it's really not. They are nothing like the

democrats I grew up with. So, I'm not surprised anymore by anything they do. I stay a democratic because I really can't find an alternative, but hell no I'm not happy with this democratic party. My father was a strong democratic politician, he would have kicked these democratic asses down the street as a bunch wimps.

[pnwmom]

20. If that is the case, we can blame Weiner for being such an idiot.

Thinking he could lie at those press conferences and get away with it -- even though he knew all those photos and texts were out there.

But I don't think Weiner's downfall will affect the Democrats position on Social Security or anything else. He's not the center of the universe; or even of the Democratic universe.

[eilen]

55. The Weiner situation is a sign of the times

What I would think as a watershed moment that tells us without reservation, the direction and character of the party. Now many have said that Weiner's actions showed a character defect. However, I maintain that the reaction to his human failings revealed even more about so many others.

[Whisp]

22. it was really Pelosi disguised as Wiener all along!

he was framed!
that was the only way they could get rid of him.

:crazy:

[Dreamer Tatum]

23. Wow...the one man standing in the way of complete societal ruin

...likes to send pics of his ding-ding to people.

[PeaceNikki]

26. oh. the humanity.

[Dreamer Tatum]

30. I'm liking you. nt

[PeaceNikki]

31. Please don't tweet me your peeper.

yet.


lol

[Dreamer Tatum]

33. Will take me a while to drag out the macro lens, anyway. nt

[PeaceNikki]

36. I'd suggest a wide-angle for maximum effect.

And perhaps bedazzle it a bit before sending it to tens and thousands of people. It's your moment. Shine.

[Dreamer Tatum]

37. Like gym class didn't scar me enough. nt

[frazzled]

27. So Weiner was running the whole show, eh?

How then do you explain all your previous disappointments with the party? He was there, but his magic wasn't working!

Get real: there are 435 members of Congress. Anthony Weiner had strengths for speaking up (though only in the last few years), but let's face it: he never managed to get a single bill enacted under his sponsorship during 13 years in Congress.

Whatever happens in the House, good or bad, Anthony Weiner's leaving will have had nothing to do with it one way or the other. So don't say it did.

[eilen]

56. What does it say about a Congress who when the

Democrats have power, don't support and pass legislation that one of the more progressive representatives present-- a rep from one of the largest cities in the country?

The House lost a strong courageous voice. In and of itself, will not change it however, it means that his resignation pushes along its rightward corporate centered (3rd Way) pace and sends a strong message to other progressives. "Watch your Back cuz no one else is."

[lumberjack_jeff]

38. Obama isn't pretending he's a liberal.

It's all a mass delusion. The people involved in deception are us - we're kidding ourselves.

[DCBob]

40. HA!

as if...

[MilesColtrane]

41. "They caved on prosecuting the Bush Administration"

Someone you cast a vote for promised to prosecute the Bush administration?

Or, maybe that was a plank in the party platform that I skipped over.

:shrug:

[nobodyspecial]

44. No, let's just hold people accountable

for things they wanted them to say.

[tularetom]

42. Any Democrat with a skeleton in his closet - hell, even one bone in there

Is going to be intimidated from speaking out because he now knows his own party leadership is going to treat him like someone with a communicable disease.

The republicans know this and they won't back off. The effective spokespersons for liberal causes will be systematically silenced now that they've seen how easy it is for them to do. Sure, they lucked out in that Weiner had plenty of skeletons in his closet but they aren't averse to inventing some if none exist and they know their allies in the liberal media will keep the heat on any targeted Dem until they finally give in and resign.

Once the strong voices are silenced and we're left with a party of Obamas, Pelosis, Reids and Schultzes, I can pretty much guarantee you they will cave.

[avaistheone1]

45. Looks like that's their strategy

[Odin2005]

59. This is what I've been saying.

[Poll_Blind]

61. ^

Yup.

PB

[PufPuf23]

46. Soothsaying: There will be "compromise" on Social Security and Medicare

that weaken the programs are a a path to dissolving or privatizing the functions and a transfer of wealth up and a decline in health care access and affordability down.

The POTUS Obama WH and the Democratic Congressional leadership are neo-liberal globalists in foreign, domestic, and economic policy.

The mass of American People have lost a semblance of control -- we are quickly stratifying into losers, those hanging on by fear, the "it could never happen to me crowd", and a globalist financial monarchists. The USA's strength is in the balance of powers and social groups and progressive movements that lift the bottom, protect the weak, and provides opportunity to be productive or even excell to the benefit of family, community, nation, Earth, and self.

[sendero]

51. Dems are going..

... to cave because that is what they do. Has nothing to do with Weiner, more to do with lacking his two little friends.

[eilen]

57. They forced the one guy out that we unequivally know

had a set (well-documented proof).

[Major Hogwash]

52. I won't take that bet now - the odds are in favor of them caving in to anything!!

6 months ago, they passed a renewal of the Bush tax cuts, saying they had to and had no other choice.
That was the final line in the sand for me.

Now they have crossed the Rubicon.

Demanding that Weiner resign just so they can all pretend to walk around like they are pure and innocent is the most hypocritical bullshit I have seen in the last 35 years from the Democratic party.

We need to primary Pelosi because she is out of touch with the regular members of the party.
Weiner was 100% pro-choice, 100% pro-equal rights for women, and 100% pro-gay rights.
There was no reason for the cacophony of calls for his resignation from the Democratic leadership that Weiner throw away his 14-year political career and just go away.

[kiva]

60. If Wiener was the only Dem supporting those issues,

it honestly wouldn't matter if he's there or not, he couldn't stop them from buckling.