I'm all for taking a stand, but is Weiner's dick the battle hill you really want to stand on?

[nobodyspecial]

Seriously. But, no let's tear the party up even more over this.

Did you really think Pelosi and Obama were going to fight for the right of Weiner to tweet his junk? Seriously.

And the argument that the Republicans do this shit too makes us sound like 5-year-old brats. Seriously.

Oh, but this is about principles! Yeah, let's get all high and mighty about a man virtually cheating on his pregnant wife, having the self control of a hormonally addled teen and then lying about it. Seriously.

[pnwmom]

1. Not me. n/t

[Whisp]

2. oh, feh

did you have to plant that image in my head.

:puke:

[Maru Kitteh]

7. lolz. n/t

[sufrommich]

3. Well said.His wife is pregnant? Where did you hear that? nt

[ChrisBorg]

8. It's all over the news.

Google is your friend.

[sufrommich]

10. No need to be snarky. I've been on vacation away from the news. nt

[fredamae]

43. This was announced about the same time, or shortly after

Weiners story broke. Not that it makes a difference one way or the other, but I don't even know if the congressman knew at the time the story broke.

[ChrisBorg]

50. Sorry, a friendly ribbing is difficult to express online. I didn't mean to come off snarky.

I really think Google is everybody who craves information's friend.

[Maru Kitteh]

11. That came out the day after he admitted he was a liar. n/t

[Edweird]

4. It's much better to be a jitterbug for RW'ers, huh? Nice and comfy.. just do what Breitbart says..

[nobodyspecial]

15. I could give a shit what they say.

But I'm certainly not going to try to hold ground on an untenable position just because that's opposite of what the GOP wants me to do.

How about the truth and what's right being the guide. Oh, and maybe letting he and his wife decide what's best for their family rather than attack other Dems. I'm sure if he had his wife's blessing, he wouldn't have stepped down.

He said he would decide when she returned, she returned and he decided.

[Edweird]

18. cup the balls... work the shaft.

[nobodyspecial]

20. Yeah, you sound experienced in that

So, tell me should he have stayed even though his wife wanted to step down? What would he have accomplished? What would the party gain? But, go ahead and taunt the people living in the reality-based community.

[Edweird]

28. "reality based community" Thanks for the laugh.

[aquart]

5. Yeah, you wait for the big battles. The ones that are worth getting off your ass.

The Republicans took over this country one small, insignificant local job at a time. But you wait for the big fight.

[avaistheone1]

22. Democrats have stood-down on single-payer health care, all our current wars, torture, holding Bush/

Cheney accountable, and it looks like the Dems will also stand down on Social Security and Medicare as well. What big one should we hope they show up for - witch hunts like with Rep Weiner?

[nobodyspecial]

29. And what does Weiner's tweeting his weiner have to do with that?

Standing for local jobs and not off-shoring work to China is *exactly* where they should be directing the fight. Weiner shot himself. Leave him on the battlefield and move on to these important fights, the ones worth taking a stand for.

Where do you get that letting Weiner face the consequences of HIS actions means that I don't support local job creation, or universal health care or anything else. Weiner's a man, a stupid one, he's not the cause.

[tularetom]

6. What are you gonna say the next time when it isn't about somebody tweeting his junk?

Because I can guarantee you there will be a next time and it may or may not even be true. They don't care, they can make stuff up and it works because they know the Democratic party "leadership" is scared shitless of them and will do their dirty work for them.

[avaistheone1]

9. He cheated on his wife?

That is a lie.

[slackmaster]

14. The Astute Reader(TM) will note the presence of the word "virtually" in the OP

Immediately before the word "cheated."

HTH

[nobodyspecial]

17. "virtually cheating on his pregnant wife"

as in not in the real world. Where am I lying?

[avaistheone1]

27. Virtually cheating? LOL

is not cheating. It is not real. Virtual reality is not reality. Nice try though.

There is no crime.

Weiner broke no law. He did not have an affair, and did not cheat on his wife.

[nobodyspecial]

30. I never said he broke the law

If he was my husband, I certainly would feel cheated on and betrayed.

[avaistheone1]

37. He is not your husband.

And you did say he cheated on his wife and that is not true at all.

There is no court in the land that would say a man cheated on his spouse simply of the basis of texts like these.

[nobodyspecial]

40. I did not

"virtually cheated" Perhaps you have different standards, but polls show this is consider this virtual cheating my most other people's standards.

But, go ahead and defend the indefensible.

[former9thward]

47. Glad you can speak for his wife.

[Zoeisright]

35. Oh for god's sake. Grow up.

Virtual cheating is not cheating. Buh-bye.

[nobodyspecial]

38. Whether it's cheating is between him and his wife

If it was my husband or wife, we would be in counseling and divorced if it didn't change. I guess I'm just a repressed prude.

[Kaleva]

12. It would have cost me nothing to voice support for Weiner.

Nothing but some time. Time to e-mail and or call leading Dems who had said they want Weiner to resign and respectfully ask them to reconsider their position.

[Cleita]

13. It's principles. Principals take care of five year old brats. n/t

[nobodyspecial]

16. Corrected

Thank you.

[XanaDUer]

19. The visual image that elicits...

:rofl:

[WillyT]

21. I Wouldn't Know... I'm Not Used To Democrats Taking A Stand... And I've Been A Democrat Since 1973

And the only Democrat who actually took a passionate stand on behalf of the rest of us, was just forced out.

The other one... is an Independent.

:shrug:

[Raine]

23. They all should've taken a stand long long ago but the Democrat's

pattern is always to cut and run ... they sure aren't about to start standing up for anybody or anything at this point. x(

[A-Schwarzenegger]

24. You make it sound simple.

Oh, it is simple. Welcome to DU?

[TheKentuckian]

25. Sure, why not we left dry powder on many a more important hill

and have done nothing but lose ground and waive white flags.

I'll take Wiener over most of the caucus and most of those in the pipeline.

The more inches we give the more miles behind we get.

I'd also note that I am repelled by "Moral Majority" crotch sniffing politics and won't tolerate them in my party. Don't whine about being lied to when you ask questions that are none of your business.

[napoleon_in_rags]

26. Yeah, the claims that dems are a circular firing squad here reveal deep weaknesses..

Basically people are saying things like Republicans circle their wagons and fire out, but Dems fire in. Dems don't stick together. But the idea of "standing by your man no matter what" is the battle hymn of the abused spouse... We are Dems for a reason, because we believe certain things. Wiener was an EXCEPTIONAL voice for those things that is no longer in the debate, and that sucks. Yet in showing this lack of judgement he actually served to undermine the arguments he was making. Was he acting as a good example, a representative, of the kind of guy who supports these causes?

People should admire the "stand by their man" aspect of Republican base, either. It makes easy tools of people, it makes people easy to manipulate because they will defend anything. The Tea party came as a break away of many conservatives who felt completely betrayed after standing by their man for 8 years with Bush and getting little they cared about from it. So the thing is you can "win" be sticking together like that, but often you don't actually WIN. Its like putting a shirt celebrating criminals because your city is riddle with crime. You have pride of having "your team" win as the crime increases, but they after they rob your house, you realize "you team" isn't really your team at all, you were just waving their flag while they took the loot.

[Autumn]

31. There were many battle hills I really wanted them to

stand on, but they had to keep their powder dry so they slunk away. It's not very comforting that they blew a load on Weiner's dick.

[Zoeisright]

32. No kidding. This puritanical pearl-clutching, when the country is dying,

is getting very VERY old.

[JHB]

33. What stands do you suggest?

...and what ones have you taken?

[fredamae]

34. The Party Leaders Have Caused The Damage. Am I

expected to roll over when they, again, have exposed their hypocrisies and eagerness to bend?

I'm an Old Dem and this is an embarrassment to all Dems who remember what We Used to stand for. I am not Against the Party, I am against the pasty faced chicken shit Dems who threw Rep Weiner under the bus.
I'm getting tired of other Dems telling me to quiet my frustrations with my party. I will not, it is Not healthy. How will we improve if we don't let them know when we are pissed? This sounds like the pubs "Eleventh Commandment"...Is that where You want to take the party? Complacence, obedience; never allowed to dissent or be scorned?

[nobodyspecial]

36. When did we stand for the right to tweet our junk and then lie about it

Must have missed that party plank?

Also, huge leaps at the end of your amazing soliloquy. Please show me where I said all that?

[fredamae]

42. When did we lose perspective re: the Problem VS Hyperbole?

I'm no shrink, but I believe Rep Weiner suffers from an illness. We do or Used to stand by our own through the good, the bad And the ugly. Rep Weiner-Committed-NO-Crime.

We, (Dems) as I stated before didn't throw Kennedy under the bus when he was ill and dying; We didn't turn our backs on Rep Giffords when she was injured, but when a powerful, outspoken Rep makes bad PERSONAL decisions, clearly expressing Symptoms of Illness, we chewed him up in a grinder and turned our backs on him.
I am ashamed of my party leaders for their weakness.

[badtoworse]

39. Wow!! A realistic political assessment on DU. How refreshing!

[nobodyspecial]

41. Thanks, but it's obviously falling on deaf ears.

I'm obviously an uptight prude who needs to grow up and stop carrying water for the GOP. Weiner is completely innocent and even if he and his wife made this decision together to try and save their family, it's irrelevant. Weiner should have stayed just to prove a point -- and make DU happy.

[LadyHawkAZ]

44. Not *the* battle hill, but certainly one of them

for a number of reasons:

-We're feeding on our own advocate for his personal life. Last time this happened (Clinton) we held our noses and stood by him. Now we won't, and now the GOP knows this. This is important. I've had the sense for a while now that we're being tested- they are, with the constant scandals and extremist legislation, looking to see a) how effective their media campaign is and what we will swallow and b) if and at what point we will fight back. We've failed both tests, and this incident is a glaring example.

-Control the sex drive of the masses and you control everything about their lives. It's the strongest drive humanity has. If you can harness that into a preset mold, and convince those masses that everyone outside that mold is sick, deviant, defective and a threat, you have a majority obsessed with what they think is a threatening behavior and a minority confused and convinced there's something wrong with them. While they're busy sorting all that out, in their own mind and in public, you can do just about anything you want and no one will argue. They'll be looking somewhere else.

-Kind of a subset of the above, we're labeling consensual adult sexual behavior as an illness. That's a dangerous road to travel. "Ew I'd never..." should not be the gold standard for measuring mental health, especially in the context of a consenting adult's sexuality. Seriously. People in the century just past have wound up locked up for that.

So yes, it's important. Not the penis itself but the issues underlying it certainly are.

[Zanzoobar]

45. How many weiners does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

This is what it's come to.

He needs a good hard boot in his ass. He's a fool. A naive, simpering, stupid child.

I wish him the best in his new, stupid, naive life. Idiot.

[badtoworse]

46. Boo!! I was expecting a good punch line - nt

[Zanzoobar]

48. Everyone is expecting a good punchline.

That was my point.

He's made himself the butt of jokes.

Bad jokes, surely.

[Chan790]

49. Yeah, thank you for asking.

After all the shit she gave free passes to as speaker, it's fair to ask Nancy Pelosi:

"Is this the battle hill you really want to stand on?"