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MemeSmith Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 06:44 PM
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The proof is not in the pudding.
I frequently hear this misquote of an ancient English adage, particularly by American speakers. In this bastardised form, it is meaningless.

The original saying has a natural logic, that explains that words do not trump facts. You can say whatever you like about something, but what it is is what it is.

The proof of the pudding is not in the telling. The proof of the pudding is not in the looking. The proof of the pudding is not even in the smelling.

Just as the proof of the film is in the watching, the proof of the book is in the reading and the proof of the song is in the hearing...


The proof of the pudding is in the eating.

All the best,

MemeSmith
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 06:47 PM
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1. I thought the proof was in the pudding came from Bill Crosby & the pudding commercials?
:shrug:
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MemeSmith Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 06:49 PM
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3. Nope

It's English (nation, rather than language) and it's old. It was already old when I was young and I'm ooooooooold.

Cheers,

MemeSmith
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 06:48 PM
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2. From one of my very favourite websites...
'The proof of the pudding' is just shorthand for 'the proof of the pudding is in the eating'. That longer version makes sense at least, whereas the shortened version really doesn't mean anything - nor does the often-quoted incorrect variation 'the proof is in the pudding'. The continued use of that meaningless version is no doubt bolstered by the fact that the correct version isn't at all easy to understand.

The meaning become clear when you know that 'proof' here is a verb meaning 'test'. The more common meaning of 'proof' in our day and age is the noun meaning 'the evidence that demonstrates a truth' - as in a mathematical or legal proof. The verb form meaning 'to test' is less often used these days, although it does survive in several commonly used phrases: 'the exception that proves the rule', 'proof-read', 'proving-ground', etc. When bakers 'prove' yeast they are letting it stand in warm water for a time, to determine that it is active. Clearly, the distinction between these two forms of the word was originally quite slight and the proof in a 'showing to be true' sense is merely the successful outcome of a test of whether a proposition is correct or not.

'The proof of the pudding is in the eating' is a very old proverb. The Oxford Dictionary of Quotations dates it back to the early 14th century, albeit without offering any supporting evidence for that assertion. The phrase is widely attributed to Cervantes in The History of Don Quixote. This appears to be by virtue of an early 18th century translation by Peter Motteux, which has been criticised by later scholars as 'a loose paraphrase' and 'Franco-Cockney'. Crucially the Spanish word for pudding - 'budín', doesn't appear in the original Spanish text. It is doubtful that 'the proof of the pudding' was a figurative phrase that was known to Cervantes.

The earliest printed example of the proverb that I can find is in William Camden's Remaines of a Greater Worke Concerning Britaine, 1605: "All the proof of a pudding is in the eating."

http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/proof-of-the-pudding.html
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MemeSmith Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 06:51 PM
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4. Much obliged.
You can tell that this is a progressive website, because we like facts.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 06:54 PM
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5. Exactly right...
We can have our own opinions, but no one, not even DU, gets their own set of facts... those are universally shared by all, whether they like it or not.

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MemeSmith Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 06:57 PM
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6. Love your sig, by the way

I frequently learn useful scraps from DU. That quote is a gem.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 09:51 AM
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9. Fugelsang is a genius...
We must have had similar upbringings... he pushes all my pet peeve buttons.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 06:58 PM
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7. K&R
From another semantic stickler. :thumbsup:
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 07:32 PM
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8. Love this sort of post. Welcome to DU.
Edited on Thu Jun-16-11 07:33 PM by snagglepuss
:hi:
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Snoutport Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 09:53 AM
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10. welcome to DU! but, what kind of pudding?
I myself prefer a tasty home made tapioca.
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MemeSmith Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 04:53 PM
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11. Wow! Tough one! Difficult to choose just one.
Apple Crumble
Rhubarb Crumble
Syrup Sponge
Spotted Dick
Jam Roly Poly
Eve's Pudding

All with custard, of course

Hot Chocolate Sponge Pudding with hot chocolate sauce

Summer Pudding with whipped cream

Eton Mess (Oh my word, it's orgasmic)

Christmas Pudding with brandy sauce.

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MemeSmith Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 04:54 PM
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12. Or obliquely

Yorkshire pudding with gravy
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