Out of gas, out of patience, and out of hope...

[kentuck]

I have grown indifferent to politics. Expectations are never met. My side is incapable of defending itself or it is masochistic? I do not know which?

I keep waiting and waiting for them to do the right thing but it never happens. In the end, they surrender everything. I no longer have any expectations that they will fight for anything.

My patience is used up. Perhaps I expected too much? I'm tired of fighting for them when they refuse to fight for me.

I hate feeling this way but it has come to this.

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[Angry Dragon]

2. Try not thinking about it as fighting for them.........

Try thinking about it as fighting for yourself, your children, your grandchildren and the other people you love.
If they will not fight, kick them to the ditch, always others to take their place.
Much harder to replace your loved ones...............

[xiamiam]

4. its down to ethics and morality and preserving humanity..not politics or parties

i firmly believe it is one of the reasons i'm on the planet..each of us as well..tough during these times but you know deep within your heart what you need to do..begins daily with your first encounter and planting seeds for hope and peace..love and brotherhood..equality and justice. It starts with each of us to be responsible and stop being controlled or even influenced by the media and thought managers. Self reliance and responsbility within your community and never shutting up if you know it is wrong. That's all we can do at this point.

It is definitely not about the leaders of our political parties. They dont give a crap about us as the bottom line is always about money and campaign contributions. Sad but true.

[Carolina]

5. Ditto

I no longer watch the evening news or any political shows. I have no desire to listen to any of BHO's speeches with their images, soaring words and empty promises... blah, blah, blah

And I, too, feel as though I have been fighting all my life, at least since I first worked on Bobby Kennedy's campaign in 1968. Yet look where we are:

A dumbed down nation preoccupied with sports and reality TV
War, war and more war
A Democratic Party that has abandoned its signature programs of the 20th century, its constituencies and its principles
Abundant decadence and greed

As a nation, we are in the decline and fall days.

[wiggs]

6. Can't say I disagree. What's also frustrating to realize is that they aren't just

turning their backs on 'our' side, meaning the fairly progressive left here at DU...the majority of americans, if you ask about issues separately, hold progressive or at least left-leaning views. They want medicare, social security, good public schools, clean water, civil rights, decisions made not for quarterly corporate profits but for long term sustainability, etc..

So they aren't just moving to the middle of america and addressing majority needs. They are moving to the right and stiff-arming what most americans care about.

[Coyote_Bandit]

7. I aspire to apathy

There is not a single politician whose name will appear on my ballot who has served to advance and protect my needs and interests.

Why should I concern myself with the political future of someone who doesn't seem to care whether I have a job or meaningful access to healthcare? Those are pretty basic needs.

[Stuart G]

8. I often feel the same...

Yes, Obama is going to witdrawl 32,000 by September of next year..wow.

withdrawl 50,000 by then...maybe I would feel some hope...

what a hole that is. Ask the Russians, the British, and whoever is dumb enuf to fight there...all those tribes..and it ain't down the street.
We got Osama bin Laden...
so...get out of there...

and since when is there a fight over raising the debt limit????

fuck those assholes ...call them out. rant, show them for what they are.

[CrispyQ]

9. They will not fight for policies that benefit the People.

They have shown their true colors. I've come to believe that the dems actually prefer to be the minority party, cuz it gives them an excuse as to why they can never pass progressive legislation. Our party has been infiltrated & is not the party that many of us grew up hearing & reading about.

[SoCalDem]

10. You're not alone, my friend

I suspect that many of us "oldtimers" had never peeked behind the curtain much before our time here at DU.. We educated ourselves & started caring a LOT, and now 10 yrs later, many of us have figured out that the whole politics thing is a brutal "game", played mostly by super-rich people...to the detriment of all but their own small group of cronies..

It;s like having a magician explain how the trick is done.. You may still enjoy magic, but you'll never again be amazed by it:(

[donheld]

11. No, you're not alone. Not by a long shot.

Our side barely tries.

[RandomThoughts]

12. Paitince is only requiered to learn enought to make a valid decision.

Without Patience you can be reckless, and not have checked if you are actually correct. Or be tricked to take a delusional path.

I took years just to make sure I really was due beer and travel money. Then years, with much help, on why that wrong situation occured, and who could correct it, while maintaining it as a just and compassionate debt, by making sure it is reasonable.

And yet still on the news, I hear many that use comments I make and try to attach them to other people, that questions the credibility of the entire media. And also questions who is on what side of a position.

However I am due beer and travel money, and that will be sent.

I do not wait, I spend the time that is required to move forward with proper footing.

If you have a just position, patience is not required, although knowing that can take patience.

[Springer9]

13. You do not wait and you are not due anything

and if you waste your time expecting someone else to provide you will by necessity be disappointed.

You can only do for yourself and when those needs are fulfilled you may be able to attend to whoever others needs as you may choose.

[RandomThoughts]

15. I never said I was waiting, I am due beer and travel money and that will be sent.

Would you suggest I collect it on my own, I am letting others handle that, as my teachings have taught.

I already have spent the years working through that it is due, and it is not 'for someone to do for me' but for justice to be done to them that support the methods of wrongful smear outside of justice and compassion, and for me just vindication for standing for what is correct in society.

And yes I can do for myself, but that is not what it is about, otherwise I would have gotten beer and travel money 1000 other ways. Although I would have had to say that existence is not just, to not pursue proper correction to that issue. And after almost a decade, the amount that is due, is quite a bit, within your perception, how much is 10 years worth to you. I figure it is in the millions.

It is about establishing that the world can be more just and compassionate, and the case against the tactics of wrongful smear, and removal of rights of citizens without justification, and various other illegal actions done in the two tier system.

Those that know the issues, know that the beer and travel money is due. However some are in the misunderstanding as you state, that it is about 'me doing' I spent my life doing, and continue to do, by standing for what is just and compassionate. And that is not thinking I am better, it makes sense for everyone to do that.

However as you state 'I am doing it myself', by having built the tower, with much help, and having learned the arguments to defend the issue, and from those arguments in a just and compassionate existence the beer and travel money will be sent.

You may chose to think existence can not be just and compassionate, I will not accept that condition.

I do not have to go work for what is already due by all legitimate argument. And I do not have to work for what is due, and has been shown due by a legitimate valid case.

Although existence can keep bending till it is corrected, that only makes things better, but that does not change that beer and travel money is due.


And you make a statement with no material evidence, nor any argument about the case at hand which would be required to refute evidence already considered valid.



Brothers in Arms - Dire Straits
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5JkHBC5lDs

Bonnie Raitt - I Can't Make You Love Me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW9Cu6GYqxo

Bonnie Raitt - Nick Of Time
http://www.123video.nl/playvideos.asp?MovieID=407128

Dire Straits - Walk of Life
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZxVC0GB838


Constantine - Bring me to life (Evanescence)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx8d3K_hngw

[DeSwiss]

14. "Politics is applesauce." - Will Rogers. - K&R - n/t

[Scottybeamer70]

16. You are not alone, kentuck

Thanks for your post.

[lonestarnot]

17. None of them will fight the perversion of the system by richie rich.

[Distant Observer]

18. I felt that way for a while

AND THEN IT GOT WORSE.

[CreekDog]

19. You and I are capable, and the people around us are capable but the people that represent us...

they want to be fair to everybody, including giving a fair hearing to the people that would throw the vulnerable to the wolves.

and that's wrong. many on our side in DC get this, however, Obama has surrounded himself almost exclusively with other people, with insiders, who make deals with people before they have a deal, who feel the rug pulled out from under them thinking they have merely tripped.

:banghead:

[OneGrassRoot]

20. A friend said something profound: "One party offends me....

the other party disappoints me."

:(

[DCBob]

21. out of touch..

your side is on your side.. the problem is the other side.

[Aleric]

22. How Orwellian

What a magnificently Orwellian response.

[Autumn]

23. What a wonderful thread

it's good to know one has other people that share their feelings.

[Shagbark Hickory]

24. You're not alone. This is how it goes down every time. It's why so many people

lose interest in the process and don't bother to vote.

[Vanje]

25. I feel that way too

Even our promising handsome young Democratic President is not working for 'We, the people', but is carrying water for the very moneyed 3%. He is dancing with those that brung him, and sadly, those that brung him, are apparently not the folks that voted, but the folks that funded.

A majority of Americans are for gay marriage. WHY isnt the president?

56% of polled want out of Afghanistan right now. Why are we still there?


We bailed out the banks, but foreclosed home owners got evicted anyway.
The economy is in the shit house.
We need jobs. The rich get their Bush tax break extension. In exchange,the unemployed get another few months of unemployment "compensation", so they can continue to barely survive , while their hire-ability disappears all together . When someone is out of work for 2 years, They're out of the job market for good. Ruined lives. These people are done. We needed JOBS, not a stipend for being idle and useless.
Crumbs! The people get crumbs.

The Bush administration torturers go unchallenged.
The illegal war in Iraq continues.
The speculators that conspired to ruin our economy go unchallenged, while Obama's justice Department continues to prosecute people who use marijuana as medicine. Who is Obama working for? Tell me!



I thought we won in 2008. I thought we finally won. We had a Democratic Senate and House, and the Best president in our lifetimes. Thats what I thought.
Silly me.
We were duped.
The new boss IS the old boss.....(though the new boss really looks fantastic in long sleeved white cotton shirts, and on a good day , talks better than the old boss , but is that enough? Not for me. )

[Ignis]

27. "I thought we won in 2008. I thought we finally won."

I think a lot of us felt that way.

Of course, there's always work to do--but there was so much optimism generated by flushing Shrub, blocking McCain/Palin (what a nightmare!), and winning a major victory against the bigots and racists in this country who would rather sell themselves into economic slavery than vote for a Soshualist Marxist Muslin from Kenya!

And then, as you say, crumbs. :( It's hard to stay enthusiastic in the face of such a squandering of political capital.

[DainBramaged]

26. Yup, been for awhile

[femrap]

28. We are on our own....have been for a long

time. Accepting this will lead to some peace of mind. We must rely on each other. The gov't spits upon the workers. And, after all, those political minions are just doing as they are told.

It's time to move past the betrayal and feeling of hopelessness....look within and to your fellow citizen.

[blindpig]

29. "They" ain't the only game in town.

It's gonna take politics by means other than electoral in order for the working class to achieve it's necessities.

[ImNotTed]

30. "Get the Hell out"?

No. Stay involved. Recced.

[Imagevision]

31. This is policy at work - the original plan is to eliminate the middle class which is ongoing...

[azul]

32. When all hope is lost...

"So you gave away your heart, you gave it all away.
Still you figured from the start, it might turn out that way.

You’ll find water in the well, when all hope is lost,
And your tears are all gone,
You’ll find water in the well."
-Kym Warner/Bill Whitbeck, Water in the Well


Build up hope with the emotional victory of the opposition party after the Republican disaster years, and then dash it aside: the modern corporate-state technique of instilling hopelessness. There was a coup in 2000, as you might recall. We're in quite a political pickle of apathy and disinformation and special interests.

Seems like some kind of test of how humans handle their monstrous creations. Dig for our values, and really live by them, or be the servants and cannon fodder of the MIC.