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Distant Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 11:04 PM
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AFP:France delivers 40 Tons of Weapons for rebellion in Western Libya. CHEERS TO PEACEFUL PROTESTING
Edited on Wed Jun-29-11 11:17 PM by Distant Observer
Western covert opps have been supporting anti-Gaddafi factions for decades, but 40 tons of hardware does get noticed (Didn't you love the quaint stories about how the rebels were just getting a few guns being supplied by "family abroad." ) THE JOKE IS ON US.


http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=6951680&c=POL&s=TOP


French Confirm Arms Drops to Libyan Rebels



A well-placed nongovernment source told AFP that 40 tons of weapons including "light armored cars" had been delivered to rebels in western Libya.

According to Le Figaro, the French arms shipments are dropped from planes across the Djebel Nafusa region, where Berber tribes have risen to join the revolt against Gadhafi's rule and seized several provincial towns.

The crates hold assault rifles, machine guns and rocket-propelled grenades, it said, and also European-made Milan anti-tank missiles, a powerful addition to the rebel arsenal that can destroy a tank or a bunker.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 11:15 PM
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1. What joke?
ya wanna make an omelet, ya gotta have eggs.

You saw how effective the protests were in Tienamen square, right??

Gimmme an RPG any day of the week if the bad dudes have tanks.

YMMV
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Distant Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 11:20 PM
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3. Some dudes have tomahawk missiles and lazer guided bombs etc

Guess you are part of the happy crowd that actually believes the propaganda that after 2000 Allied sorties and n-thousand missiles, the Gaddafi regime is still the big bad monster and the Gov has such great control of what is happening in the country.

WE WILL BELIEVE ANYTHING.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 11:24 PM
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4. I don't know what you're trying to say.
Really. I even understand grantcart.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 05:28 AM
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14. Nothing To Understand, Sir: He is A Fan Of Gahddafi, And Hopes He Wins The Fight
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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 07:27 AM
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20. Libya is designed to be a stalemate that drags on
until the country is very weak and has significantly less population. There won't be any winners, at least not among the Libyans.
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 11:19 PM
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2. I hope Libya defeats NATO aggression.
That Libya has held out for more than 100 days against international aggression is testament to the strength of its people. I fully support them!
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Distant Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 11:29 PM
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5. African Union CONDEMNS French covert arms drops to Gaddafi opponents
From the beginning, the Europeans have simply refused to even acknowledge the African Union
opposition to Western action, even though the UN depends of African Union peacekeepers to protect civilians in many crises across the continent.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13970412

Libya: AU condemns French arms drop to rebels



African Union Commission chief Jean Ping says France's decision to air-drop weapons to Libyan rebels is dangerous and puts the whole region at risk

He told the BBC the action risked creating problems similar to those in war-torn Somalia.

. . .
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 11:34 PM
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7. The global south is the future.
Asia, Africa, and Latin America account for more than 80% of humanity. The days where Euro-American aggressors lord over the large majority are numbered.
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CJvR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 02:07 AM
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11. They are right.
If other peoples get the idea that they can count on support for overthrowing their own murderous dictators there is no telling where this could end.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 05:50 AM
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17. Imperialist have never cared about African opinions
rape and plunder - remember the Westerners are 'civilizing' the natives.
:puke:
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ej510 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 06:59 PM
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32. 'US to impose imperialism on Libya'
The US will steal Libyan resources and prop up an imperialist dictator to take over Gaddafi, leaving the Libyan people worse off than before, says an analyst.


In an interview with Press TV, Stephen Lendman, writer and radio host, elaborates on US plans to control Libya for imperialist interests, while ignoring the plight of the people.

Press TV: When we're looking at this latest development, where everyday seems to be more and more developments, at the end Gaddafi is still in power. How likely is it that the goal may not be to oust Gaddafi but to divide the country?

Lendman: I think the goal is very much to get rid of Gaddafi. But they don't seem to be in any hurry to be doing it.

If you compare what's going on in Libya now to America's wars back in 1999 against Serbia-Kosovo, against Iraq in the Gulf War in 1991 and again in 2003, and against Afghanistan in 2001, there were weeks of extensive bombing. It got a name, finally, and it's called “shock and awe”.

Literally, mass destruction, many, many deaths, and I'm sure your viewers know that the campaign, officially, was extended by NATO until September. But why would you want to do that? Why are they doing that at all? It's patently illegal. This is naked aggression against a nonbelligerent country.

But they are there bombing, killing and destroying. Instead of going on on a daily basis, they arbitrarily said they are continuing this for another three months.

And you're right, now they've introduced attack helicopters. These are vicious killing machines. They can fly at low levels, intermediate levels, and they unleash the same terror weapons that come down from 15 to 30 thousand feet - the cruise missiles. Civilians are being killed.

I mentioned on one interview, I don't know I mentioned this on Press TV but you reported it, that a couple of weeks ago there was a peace convention in Brega attended by 150 prominent Libyan imams. They wanted peace. They wanted to negotiate a peace to stop this killing and destruction.

Cont'd with video at the link: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/183265.html
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 06:55 AM
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19. No---you support Gadaffi.
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 12:59 PM
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25. You support NATO killing babies.
Edited on Thu Jun-30-11 01:01 PM by David__77
Right? So long as NATO is doing the killing, it is fine?
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 11:32 PM
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6. You say that like it's a bad thing.
After all the slaughter Gaddafi committed, and stands indicted for, I'm all for arming the rebels. You want my opinion, give them even more weapons!
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 11:35 PM
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8. This is pouring gas on flames that will blow back.
No lessons learned from Brzesinski's blunders.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 11:38 PM
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9. recommend.
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Ice Number Nine Donating Member (234 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 01:49 AM
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10. nobody ever said this would be a peaceful protest.
but Gaddafi is going down, that much is certain.
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StarsInHerHair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 04:12 AM
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12. yep the Banksters will get their way, again
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Ice Number Nine Donating Member (234 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 01:20 PM
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27. do you even realize that your brain didn't produce that notion?
pavlov's fringe leftist.

how disillusioned you must be.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 01:24 PM
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29. You might want to review the board rules
which encourage users to discuss ideas, not other users.
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StarsInHerHair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 06:52 PM
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31. oh my you must never have read Michael Hudson-plus, how the hell would
you know-troll-what I'm capable of thinking?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 01:22 PM
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28. Bulleria. We went in because Gaddafi was firing on "peaceful protesters"
except of course they were "peaceful" for about five minutes. And of course, we didn't go into Egypt or Bahrain or Yemen where the same thing happened. Hell, Bahrain is torturing medical personnel.
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Distant Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 05:10 AM
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13. We thought this was a "Mass Movement of Peoples." Then heard only 1000. Well, NOW IT IS MASSIVE.
Edited on Thu Jun-30-11 05:10 AM by Distant Observer

Good Job, European friends. You really know how to make a war.

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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 05:37 AM
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15. You haven't presented a c ase for why this is a bad thing. sometimes one has to fight.
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Distant Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 08:31 AM
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21. IT'S GREAT! They have been doing this for decades. Just been denying it.
Edited on Thu Jun-30-11 08:32 AM by Distant Observer
Certain factions in Libya has been heavily armed by external backers for a long time.
Libyan militant factions are know for their knowledge of weaponry and experience in various conflicts in the region beyond Libya. That is why this was the biggest recruiting ground for jihadist fighting Americans in Iraq.

It also happens to be a practice that is thought to undermine international law.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 02:02 PM
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30. Exactly. The Libyans tried the peaceful route like in Egypt, and they got machine-gunned.
The idea that non-violent resistance can always bring down an evil regime is a MYTH.

Non-violent direct action is a tactic that is useful in certain circumstances, and can have effects when certain conditions are met (such as the government actually being vulnerable to political pressure from shaming, which wasn't the case for Gaddafi - he just doesn't give a shit.)

In the Libyan's case, they tried non-violent resistance, and the government came out in force and started killing.

So your options are repression or war. I choose war. There are a few things that are genuinely worse than war, and totalitarian repression is one of those things.

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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 05:48 AM
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16. And of course those good peaceful humanitarian
rebels won't be selling them all over Africa.
:puke:
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 06:54 AM
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18. K&R for exposure. nt.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 08:32 AM
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22. ghaddaffi is teh sweet bebe jesus, yes he is.
:rofl:
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Distant Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 11:15 AM
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24. What a powerful guy Gaddafi. You need 40 tons of weapons just to kill 1 guy

Some wise people believe that all the weapons and bombing does not kill lots of people --
just provides food for the poor.
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jakeXT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 11:10 AM
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23. The US uses third parties, the French are either dumb or they have no puppets


Egypt Said to Arm Libya Rebels

...

"Weapons are getting through," said Mr. Souflakis, who says he has regular contacts with Egyptian officials in Cairo and the rebel leadership in Libya. "Americans have given the green light to the Egyptians to help. The Americans don't want to be involved in a direct level, but the Egyptians wouldn't do it if they didn't get the green light."

...
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704360404576206992835270906.html


U.S. asks Saudi Arabia to supply rebels with weapons, in a bid to avoid direct military involvement in Libya unrest

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1363780/Libya-US-ask-Saudi-Arabia-supply-weapons-rebels-bid-oust-Gaddafi.html
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 01:00 PM
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26. Phoniest "civil war" I've ever seen. nt
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