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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 10:51 AM
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Third Way applauds Obama for laying hands on the “third rail” of American politics.
Third Way is the new policy shop of the Democratic party since the DLC closed its doors. Here is their take on the anger of "the left" over cutting Social Security and Medicare.

"Entitlement reform should be part of the solution to America’s deficit challenge..."

“Third Way has long argued that entitlement reform should be part of the solution to America’s deficit challenge. Not only will it put us back on a sustainable fiscal path, reform will save and strengthen our social safety net. We applaud the President’s willingness to do the right thing and lay hands on the “third rail” of American politics.

Some on the left will attack the President for putting Social Security and Medicare fixes on the table, but without action these programs will eventually crowd out our ability to invest in America’s future and force us to default on our promise to provide for tomorrow’s seniors. Postponing reform indefinitely is not an option, and to delay is not progressive.


The President is taking a step vital to any negotiation – offering a reasonable path to compromise on priorities dear to him.


Notice the continued tone they always use toward "some on the left". Well, they can include me in that number. I am very angry.

Robert Kuttner was right back in December 2010 when he said that Obama was blinking first.

Obama to blink first on Social Security

How to put this politely? For a Democratic president, this approach is bad economics and worse politics.

...If you think the Democratic base feels betrayed by Obama’s tax-cut deal, just imagine the mayhem when Obama proposes to cut the Democrats’ signature program. Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) compared Obama’s tax deal to punting on first down. A pre-emptive cut in Social Security is forfeiting the game before kickoff.

Obama is already in trouble with older voters. Republicans have succeeded in convincing seniors that the health care reform bill diverted money from Medicare. Consider what the right will do when Obama moves to cut Social Security. Republicans, with no sense of contradiction or hypocrisy, will whack Obama once for not being sufficiently serious about deficit reduction — then whack him again for cutting Social Security.


Kuttner also points out that the Republicans win three ways.

Obama is finally getting the bipartisanship he craved — but entirely on Republican terms. Republicans win three ways. They have a Democratic president doing their work for them, destroying the Democratic capacity to use affirmative government to address dire national problems and annihilating his own party.


Back in December something else happened also that was painful to hear. The president used the words sanctimonious and purist in regards to his base in the party.

From R. J. Eskow. He points out that the tax deal had a poison pill for Social Security.

Obama's "Tax Holiday": A Poison Pill for Social Security

You know what they always say: Pay now or pay later. Middle-class Americans may pay very dearly for the president's tax deal, and at the stage of life when they can least afford it. By providing a temporary cut in the payroll taxes that fund Social Security, this deal starts the nation down a slippery slope that could lead to permanent benefits cuts for the middle class and even more wealth for the rich.

In other words, Obama's "payroll tax holiday" could send the financial safety of America's seniors on a permanent vacation.

The embattled president lashed out at his critics at today's press conference. (Well, not all his critics. Just the ones in his own party. That seems to be the pattern lately.) He sneered at those who, he said, just want to "be able to feel good about ourselves and sanctimonious about how pure our intentions are."

"Purity" is a strange word for opinions that are strongly held by seven out of ten Americans, including most Republicans, independents, and even Tea Partiers.


Mr. President, I do feel good about myself, as a retired teacher and as a senior citizen. And I am criticizing you, not applauding you as the Third Way did.

What you are doing is wrong and harmful, and it is hurting this country.


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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 10:55 AM
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They like him, they really like him!! Perhaps Mr. Obama will see the grand fulfillment of...
Edited on Thu Jul-07-11 10:55 AM by polichick
...his precious bipartisanshit - and run as a Republican in 2012.

Then the whole world can celebrate all the harmony!!!
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StarsInHerHair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 07:08 PM
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56. Colbert & Franken 2012
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 10:11 AM
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81. Franken: "Obama punts on first down"
Quote from the OP - so true
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 10:55 AM
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1. You got it. Well said...
Recommended.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 05:22 PM
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45. It's sad.
Like watching a wreck in slow motion. Like a dream sequence.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 10:55 AM
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2. In other words: "We're sure glad *HE* is gonna take the fall for this and not us!" (NT)
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 10:55 AM
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3. The Third Way is the highway to Palookaville for the Democratic Party.
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 11:42 AM
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22. Super illustration, Tierra_y_Libertad, says it all.
Obama could've been somebody, could have been a contender. But he's selling us out, compromising his own integrity. What a lot to think about.
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somone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 10:58 AM
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4. The Audacity Will Be Amply Rewarded

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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 10:58 AM
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5. that payroll tax holiday was the clue; but there were so many others...
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 10:59 AM
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6. The spin forces have been loosed upon us.
this is, basically, the artillery softening us up to accept any changes to SS and Medicare.

Expect next the infantry aka TV pundits.

but also don't be surprised by a 5th column assault by bloggers as well.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 10:59 AM
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7. I hope the President gets enough Republican votes in the election
to make up for the Liberals thrown under the bus one
too many times.

If the only way to save the country is the Third Ways
efforts to destroy FDR's old programs, then I want
the Republican Party to destroy it. It is too painful
to watch people who call themselves Democrats do it.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 11:02 AM
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10. Maybe he wins either way. If he's reelected he can continue to push a...
...right-wing corporate agenda and if he isn't he can move on to his next big corporate job.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 04:40 PM
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43. "It is too painful to watch people who call themselves Democrats do it"
Indeed. It's very painful.
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roxiejules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 06:14 PM
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48. and surreal...

"The chained CPI is nothing more than a backdoor benefit cut Washington hopes Americans won't notice or understand," said Max Richtman, acting CEO if the National Committee to Preserve Social Security and Medicare.


http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j7oZuOr-LwC83YRBMUzm_6vgYXYw?docId=fd1817c3ab1348c69cdc928d8e98f805
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Newest Reality Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 10:59 AM
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8. In the end,
we will need some conservative compassion, ey?

At the very least, they could legalize suicide and open profitable chains of euthanasia parlors. Why let useless eaters of all ages languish in misery?

That would be a tough call though. They would have to give-up some of their delicious schedenfraude for that potentially profitable, new business model.

All in all, be prepared for deep and profound changes brought on, in part, by the ruling class and what's behind the curtain.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 11:15 AM
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15. There was a scene in Children of Men about such a product, Quietus
Edited on Thu Jul-07-11 11:21 AM by leveymg
Here's the TV commercial for that suicide product that was referenced throughout the film:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYy80trSPSI

That amazing 2007 film is coming to pass, perhaps without the nuclear war, but I fear that there is no light in the mist at the end.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_satkzCjK2F4/RibB1SlYZcI/AAAAAAAAAOw/Fi_gWm60mLI/s320/children+of+men+%28318+x+167%29.jpg
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 11:15 AM
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16. Where's Toto when we need him?!
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lapislzi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 01:12 PM
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37. Bitter sarcasm: the suicide parlors will be too expensive for most to afford.
And available only to those who have no need of them. Ordinary Americans will be left to fester in the streets.

Maybe they'll give us a "coupon."
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 10:59 AM
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9. the "third way" is a bogus, BS, corporate shill, centrist "think tank"
they are founded on Clintonian, DLC-based trigualtion that does not benefit anyone except for the right wing of the democratic party and the big business that funds them.

Third Way is worse than the pukes or AEI, or any other right wing think tank because they purport to be on "our" side.
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Speck Tater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 11:05 AM
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11. I'm not simply angry, I'm outraged!
How could he/she/they do this to us? We are the very ones that elected him/her/them and now he/she/they stab us in the back with this latest treason. Yes, I call it treason, for how else can one describe an action that so blatantly eviscerates the principles of the Democratic Party and liberalism in general.

I don't know about you, but I swear I'll never for for him/her/them again. Let's see if he/she/they learn(s) his/her/their lesson when we kick his/her/their traitorous butt(s) out of office!


(Note: The above is a generic post written to save myself the trouble of composing a fresh new angry response to each new political outrage.)
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iwishiwas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 11:09 AM
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13. Obama does it to gain the Independent voter. Simple as that.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 11:15 AM
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17. He's not courting voters, but money
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iwishiwas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 02:37 PM
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39. Of course he is courting voters!!--in this case it is the Independents.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 03:22 PM
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41. He'll do whatever his corporate masters tell him and they'll flood him with
enough campaign cash to get re-elected.

If you want to call that courting the voters, go ahead.
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newspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 09:21 PM
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59. well, there are independent voters
who don't feel courted by some of his decisions. So you actually think that independents are going to vote for him if he screws SS?
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 11:23 AM
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19. Cuts to SS and Medicare are unpopular even to mythical "Independent Voters." This will earn him one
Edited on Thu Jul-07-11 11:24 AM by leveymg
thing: a single-term presidency.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 11:51 AM
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26. Unpopular, and they were very angy about unemployment
angry about the economy in the midterms. It was overwhelmingly their top issue.
Not, as we've seen a few claim, HCR, except in the context that they were frustrated
at the priorities of tackling it before jobs.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 11:57 AM
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31. This seals The Deal with Wall Street and the Multinationals - Obama's true, blue base.
The rest of us don't count.

After this, Obama and the Democrats can be assured of carrying the popular vote in Lower Manhattan and the American Virgin Islands.
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 02:03 AM
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76. Polls show the indies are against SS cuts. nt
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 11:08 AM
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12. Why is Obama even bringing this up, shouldn't he let the Repugs bring it up
Edited on Thu Jul-07-11 11:09 AM by bahrbearian
Now he owns it, just like bushs tax cuts. He should be talking about cutting the DOD, Taxing the Rich, closing loop holes. He should never bring SS and Medicare to the table , let the Repugs do that.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 11:10 AM
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14. Some say he wants to be seen as the adult in the room...
imo recent history shows that he's doing what he wants to do.
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 11:49 AM
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24. You make it sound like he is one of us.
In reality, he never was. He was not elected to protect our vested interests, but to protect
the interests of the few. Sadly, we have all learned that the hard way.
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 11:57 AM
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32. And I used to think "Worst President Ever" meant Bush.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 11:17 AM
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18. My Idea For Entitlement Reform
Starts with suggesting people dry up funding for the members of Third Way's Board of Trustees:

Mr. Vogelstein is the Chairman of New Providence Asset Management, LLC and Senior Advisor to Warburg Pincus, LLC.

Mr. Schwartz is Chairman and CEO of BLS Investments, LLC.

Mr. Heller lives in New York City and is the Global Head of Equity Trading for Goldman Sachs.

Mr. Anderson is a Principal and Portfolio Manager of Ospraie Management, LLC, an $8 billion investment firm focused on four investment strategies in the basic industry and commodity sectors—hedge fund, private equity, incubation/seeding and long-only.

Dr. Bennett—an award-winning sociologist, criminologist, and journalist—is Founder and President of the Tanenbaum Center for Interreligious Understanding.

William D. “Bill” Budinger is the founder of Rodel, Inc., where he served for 33 years as its chairman and CEO. Rodel was instrumental in developing portions of the semiconductor manufacturing process and is currently the global leader in high-precision planarization technology for semiconductors, silicon wafers, and storage media substrates.

Mr. Cowan, like the other co-founders of Third Way, has over 15 years experience at senior levels of progressive politics and government. Prior to co-founding Third Way, Mr. Cowan founded and ran Americans for Gun Safety, which The Washington Post dubbed the “dominant” group on the gun safety side of that debate.

Mr. Cullman was the Founder and President of Cullman Ventures, Inc.,

Mr. Dyson is Chairman of Millbrook Capital Management, Inc.(MCM), a private investment firm.

Mr. Dyson has a wide range of business interests and responsibilities. He is Chairman and CEO of the Dyson-Kissner-Moran Corp., a privately owned, diversified investment holding company that was founded by his father Charles H. Dyson in 1954.

Mr. Frank is a Director and Portfolio Manager at MSD Capital, L.P., the private investment firm founded by Michael Dell.

Mr. Goldberg joined Kelso & Company in 1991 as a Partner and Managing Director. Prior to joining the firm, he spent two years as a Managing Director and co-head of the mergers and acquisitions department at The First Boston Corporation.

more ... http://www.thirdway.org/trustees

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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 11:27 AM
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20. THIS is what has destroyed the Democratic Party.
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 11:52 AM
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27. If Obama gets his way on these cuts to these
signature programs, the Democratic Party is done. Period. Its constituencies will fracture.
Maybe something better will come from the ashes, and maybe not, but the Party as we
know is over.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 11:36 AM
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21. K&R
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 11:44 AM
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23. If this is true, he should not be the Democratic candidate for
the presidency.

SS has zero to do with the deficit, other than it appears he is trying to help his corporate buddies walk away from their debt to the American people.

I'm sure they are just delighted to find a 'democrat' to do what Republicans have tried but failed to do for so long.

Talk about betrayal! Assuming it is true. What does appear to be true though is his disdain for the people who elected him.

Someday maybe he will be as critical of Republicans as he is of Demcorats. Maybe!
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 11:50 AM
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25. That does it. In the primary, I am requesting a write in - for Howard Dean.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 11:54 AM
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28. Third Way, and Obama if he goes ahead and acts, deserve sharp shocks from that third rail.
Keep the juice flowing to that rail!
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hifiguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 11:54 AM
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29. Proof, if any more were needed that Third Way
is no more "Democratic" than the repukes are.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 11:55 AM
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30. Third Way, like their DLC progenetors, are Republican infiltrators.
They are a fifth column, sent to destroy the Democratic infrastructure of unions and social programs that protect the working class.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 12:14 PM
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33. And let us look at their Leadership's Honorary Co-Chairs. Familiar Faces?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 12:26 PM
Response to Reply #33
34. Very familiar.
And not very friendly to the left.
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Fuddnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 06:45 PM
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54. The usual nest of vipers.
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Erose999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 12:30 PM
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35. They can all PISS on the "3rd rail of American Politics" as far as I'm concerned.


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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 01:02 PM
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36. Why doesn't the "New Way" cult of Democrats rename the party to "Corporate Democratic Party"?
So that they can be more HONEST about who they want to serve instead of the REAL Democrats here.

Then we can start a REAL Democratic Party and push these bums off the cliff where they belong.

Still fuming about how they are continuing to screw us more each day!
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Dawson Leery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 01:45 PM
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38. When has the "Third-Way" ever called for reforms to curtail
the abusive/dangerous practices of Wall Street? When have they called for the top 1% to pay their fair share in taxes?
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21st Century FDR Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 02:44 PM
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40. Fuck the DLC
No matter what name they call themselves, they still suck ass.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 03:31 PM
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42. The "Third Way" should be called the "TURD WAY"!!!
Edited on Thu Jul-07-11 03:34 PM by cascadiance
They want to crap all over our party! Own up to it you bastards!





America doesn't need another...

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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 04:42 PM
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44. "Bravery" would be cutting defense, ending the drug war, & legalizing & taxing marijuana.
this isn't bravery, it's capitulation.
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 05:40 PM
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46. The "third way" sucks
I hate those quislings as much or more than conservatives.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 06:16 PM
Response to Reply #46
49. More --
becasue they are inside the tent, and more dangerous for it. :mad:
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 06:31 PM
Response to Reply #49
52. + 1,000,000 nt
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Plucketeer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 05:44 PM
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47. Obama says:
"Chill - I've got this. If I show the GOP enough examples of the art of concession, surely they'll try it themselves eventually!"
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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 06:25 PM
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50. Are they funded by the Koch Bros too? nt.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 06:29 PM
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51. Here's a part of their funding....looking up more.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Third_Way_Foundation

"As Third Way Foundation

Bank One
Citigroup
Dow Chemical
DuPont
General Electric
Health Insurance Corporation
Merrill Lynch
Microsoft
Morgan Stanley
Occidental Petroleum
Raytheon

As Progressive Foundation

AT&T Foundation
Eastman Kodak Charitable Trust
Prudential Foundation
Georgia-Pacific Foundation
Chevron
Amoco Foundation

Funding information sources (Third Way Foundation): Media Transparency, Capital Research, and Find Articles.
Funding information sources (Progressive Foundation): Capital Research and Media Transparency)."

And there are many other external links at this site:

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Third_Way_organization
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21st Century FDR Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 09:16 PM
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58. And there it is...
"Georgia-Pacific Foundation" - a.k.a. Koch Brothers

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Georgia-Pacific
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 09:39 PM
Response to Reply #58
61. Aha, thank you. I did not make the connection.
I am looking for more sources about the funding. These centrist think tanks have nearly destroyed our party.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 06:35 PM
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53. knr - everyone should read what they are saying and then see what the WH says ...
then again there was a thread in GDP recently...

The DLC has "closed its doors" and has gone to its final resting place: The Clinton Foundation

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=701476&mesg_id=701476

"Note that Ben Smith confirms what I have said all along: liberal President Obama rejected DLC overtures long ago.

Yay! The DLC is dead and gone home to its primary mover and Maker."


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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 09:48 PM
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62. That thread is blowing my mind.
I have written bunches about the DLC connections, and to see someone just saying they are not connected to the Third Way is very upsetting.

And also they are quite connected to the New Democrat movement. Of course they are....
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 10:11 PM
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65. New name. Old game.
It's the same dodge Madison Avenue uses for stupid people. Just call the product new and improved, make it cheaper and worse. Stupid people will flock to it in droves and think they are bright. We can follow many of those right her on DU.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 10:43 PM
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68. You are right.
Just call it "new" and it's better.
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999998th word Donating Member (555 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 11:36 PM
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71. Same old bullshit -just rebranded
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 10:49 PM
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69. +100 New name, old game and a lot of recent desperate revisionism about it.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 11:07 PM
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70. Guess it is easier to just believe the DLC is gone ...
:shrug:

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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 05:45 AM
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79. New name, same shit sandwich
I suppose they really do take us for stupid..
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 10:12 AM
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83. Only if we let them ....
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/slipslidingaway/63

Uniquely American Solution - What is it ? Why is it being pushed?

Posted by slipslidingaway in General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010)
Wed Aug 12th 2009, 07:12 PM

Is the goal of the "uniquely American solution" to keep the private health care companies in business and protect their profits? It is not just the Democrats that are using the phrase, Karen Ignagni of AHIP wrote an article in April.


Some talking points from the Herndon Alliance and published on the Third Way site...

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tcaudilllg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 11:35 AM
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84. And did these tactics bring results? No,
therefore there is evidence enough third way should be abandoned.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 06:53 PM
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55. Fuck the Third Way and the Bull they rode in on.
Let me repeat that, fuck the Third Way.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 07:20 PM
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57. Yep the Turd Way is what's doing the Bull Schlitz the party is doing now!
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 12:51 AM
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74. + + + +
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russspeakeasy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 09:36 PM
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60. And all the spineless dems can say "it was him, he did it".
Yes, he did and you were of no god damned help at all.
As a senior plus citizen, all I can say, if you do make the cuts, or advocate for them, is kiss my ass. I will probably not feel the effects, but if you intend to screw the people in their 40's and 50's, you will join the ranks of "W" in our history books...
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 09:57 PM
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63. They are really detestable. They were out of touch as "New Democrats" in the 90's
and are disgustingly out of touch now.

When fighting with radical right wing extremists, we don't need idiots who want to compromise and show that they can be pro-corporate too.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 10:05 PM
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64. "3rd way" = enemies. nt
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blkmusclmachine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 10:14 PM
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66. Doing the master's bidding.
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Aerows Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 10:20 PM
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67. Third Way and Third Way supporters
can go fuck themselves with a rusty sewer pipe as far as I'm concerned. They are not the "Third Way" - they are trying to turn politics and governance in our country into just one way - oligarchical aristocracy.
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Youth Uprising Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 12:08 AM
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72. Anybody notice Jill Pike from TYT in the contact info?
I didn't know she joined third way. Wtf...
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MouseFitzgerald Donating Member (208 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 12:52 AM
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75. I heard that a while back
on the TYT forum. I think there is some bad blood between her and Cenk.
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 12:24 AM
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73. So, that's the origin for the purist label that's getting used so frequently
Really, really tired of that one.

And very sick and tired of the austerity for us and prosperity for them that all the leaders of G20 have agreed to and that are turning one formerly prosperous country after another into pillaged shells.



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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 03:39 AM
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77. "Third Way" seems to be dominated by investment folk: they may want to portray themselves
as the "new policy shop of the Democratic party" -- but that doesn't mean they are

It looks to me like they do what lots of DC "think-tanks" do -- misrepresent what's going on

I don't have to buy into their version of events -- and maybe you shouldn't either

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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 03:43 AM
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78. Recommend
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 07:06 AM
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80. kick and recommend
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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 10:11 AM
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82. Third Way is DLC.
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roxiejules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 02:42 PM
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85. Dean Baker's response to Third Way

.."The business-backed group Third Way has been making a big point of going after Social Security lately. Today it had a column telling us that Social Security is in crisis, even though the most recent projections from the Social Security trustees show that the program can pay full scheduled benefits with no changes whatsoever for a quarter century. Even after that point, the program would always be able to pay a higher benefit than what current retirees receive.

The argument hinges on the fact that the program is paying out more in benefits than it collects in taxes. In other words, it is relying on interest from the $2.6 trillion trust fund that it has built up over the last quarter century. To term this a crisis would be like saying that Bill Gates had a crisis because he dipped into his $50 billion in assets to build some new play houses for his kids. The trust fund was built up for the explicit purpose of supporting the program. It makes no sense to say that using it is a crisis."


http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/beat-the-press/chea...




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Youth Uprising Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 03:57 AM
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86. Kick.
This is too important to be lost in the shuffle, especially with all these propagandists in our midst.
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