Pelosi Blindsided By Obama (TPM)

[chill_wind]

Pelosi Blindsided By Obama
David Kurtz | July 7, 2011, 1:17PM

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) told her agitated caucus this morning that she was left in the dark about the plan to reportedly include Social Security cuts in a debt deal.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2011/07/pelosi_blindsided_by_obama.php?ref=fpblg

[AngryAmish]

1. lookee

[DeSwiss]

17. Ed ''Too Tall'' Jones (TSU - '74) n/t

[AngryAmish]

41. Actually, I think it is Harvey Martin

[DeSwiss]

43. No it's Ed. I knew him in school. He wore 72 for the Cowboys....

...Harvey wore 79

[polichick]

2. But he's a Dem, right?

[DJ13]

8. Im no longer sure of that

[Little Star]

20. We're down the rabbit hole.

[Dept of Beer]

28. Depends on what the word Dem is short for.

Could be DEMon

or DEMagogue

or DEMentia


I even hear it can be used for Democrat.

[gkhouston]

33. DEMolisher. n/t

[closeupready]

3. Pelosi was blindsided on health care, too, and she caved on that.

So nothing about this surprises me.

[polichick]

5. I really hope House Dems stand firm this time.

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[Supersedeas]

42. and the Bush Tax Cuts compromise

[Karmadillo]

4. How can one be blindsided by Obama at this point?

nt

[gkhouston]

34. Eyes closed? n/t

[ProfessionalLeftist]

6. IntereSTINK. n/t

[nashville_brook]

36. snort!

[iwishiwas]

7. So was the Progressive caucas. see this...

read the last paragraph in the OP.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1433766&mesg_id=1433766

[avaistheone1]

35. Very interesting

Thank you.

[chill_wind]

10. Well, he blew off Reid and Senate Dems, too. Interesting, no?

By Meredith Shiner
Roll Call Staff
July 5, 2011, 12:39 p.m.


"President Barack Obama has yet to respond to a request from Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) for a Wednesday meeting with Senate Democrats, days after rejecting an invitation from Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to meet with his Conference.

Reid said last week he was "confident" that the meeting between his Democratic Conference and Obama would happen Wednesday either on the Hill or at the White House, but so far, the administration has not confirmed there will even be a meeting, according to multiple sources."

http://www.rollcall.com/news/obama-has-yet-to-RSVP-to-meeting-with-senate-democrats-207013-1.html?pos=hln

[polichick]

11. He caters to his enemies - or, at least, to our enemies...

Just like during the healthcare talks, when big pharma lobbyists were at the table but not progressives.

[FiveGoodMen]

13. Right the second time

He caters to our enemies.

And the friend of my enemy is ... ?

[polichick]

14. Gotcha. A lot of Dems see what's going on and yet no primary challenger...

It's like watching a sinking ship and not being able to do much.

[FiveGoodMen]

23. It's a helpless feeling for sure.

I keep trying to stop caring since there is evidently no escape.

But I can't stop watching.

[CoffeeCat]

44. Unfortunately...

Obama caters to the corporations, to Wall Street and to the neocons--who appear
to be dismantling this country and our democracy.

There's a big party going on in this country. Only the top 1 percent are invited.

I guess Obama decided that he wants to be on the inside clinking cocktail glasses
with corrupt politicians, the Koch Brothers and other assorted assclown criminals.

Lovely. Just lovely.

[Name removed]

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[newspeak]

38. wow, how different

than having someone like Darth Cheney informing his repug congresscritters that there will be no compromising with democrats and Little Boot's or Darth Cheney's WH would be calling the shots.

[SugarShack]

12. Time for pelsoi and reid to show obama who democrats really are and go after him.

that will save the party.

then primary obama....threaten him...do whatever it takes.

[polichick]

16. Agreed.

[ladjf]

25. Yes. Do that. nt

[Pisces]

27. Go back where you came from.

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[Wilms]

18. Join the club.

:banghead:

[Hubert Flottz]

19. I'll bet!

[WillyT]

21. K & R !!!

:nuke:

:kick:

[KittyWampus]

22. The same article indicates the White House didn't say cuts were being bargained for.

[ClarkUSA]

24. Pres. Obama in his SOTU said he'd cut costs and fraud but not benefits. Nothing has changed.

Did Pelosi and other Democrats listen to the SOTU at all? Or would everyone rather panic at the WaPo Business section shit-stirring spin?

Furthermore, the WH has already pushed back on the original shit-stirring WaPo Business section spin and issued this statement:

"There is no news here," Carney said. "The President has always said that while social security is not a major driver of the deficit, we do need to strengthen the program and the President said in the State of the Union Address that he wanted to work with both parties to do so in a balanced way that preserves the promise of the program and doesn't slash benefits."

The actual story is that the President will not slash SS benefits. Where are the appropriate headlines to this effect?
Let's not take the bait. Wait for actual information, before assuming the worst, please.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=702658&mesg_id=702658

[chowder66]

39. +1 as usual

[Coyote_Bandit]

26. I'm not convinced

that Obama wants to be re-elected. Either way he is set for life and he has certainly done enough damage during his first term to expect that he just might not be welcomed back by many who championed his election.

[Better Believe It]

29. So what are Pelosi and Hoyer against? Here's the message they are delivering to the White House.

They want to see revenues included in the package and are opposed to cutting Social Security "as a means of balancing the budget".

Oh, that's really going out on the limb.

So exactly what kinds of changes to Medicare are they opposed to? And are Pelosi and Hoyer clearly against any Social Security changes that will cut benefits to future retirees such as a new method to calculate Social Security cost-of-living increases and increasing the early and full retirement age?

We shall see. BBI


Fromm the same article:

According to one top aide, both Pelosi and Minority Whip Steny Hoyer (D-MD) intended to "deliver a message from the caucus that we definitely want to see revenues included in any package."

Additionally, "any changes to Medicare have to be things that strengthens the program, not just a bank for tax cuts for millionaires," and the party is broadly opposed to cutting Social Security as a means of balancing the budget.

[chill_wind]

31. June 28: “And if you’re going to cave, tell us right now.”

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1379308

[dana_b]

37. yeah, wtf?!

He is keeping his own party in the dark and plays golf with the Repubs while working on deals. I seriously question his true political ideology and party loyalty.

[ProSense]

32. Somehow I doubt

that Pelosi was "blindsided" as the anonymous sources claim.

She was at the meeting yesterday and is meeting with the President tomorrow.

Van Hollen: Dems will not support a budget 'on the back of Social Security beneficiaries'

Progressive Caucus supports restructuring, not benefit cuts

[chill_wind]

40. Obama, lawmakers still far apart on debt

"Reuters) - President Barack Obama and top lawmakers emerged from talks on Thursday still far apart on breaking a budget deadlock and said negotiators will work through the weekend for a deal to avoid a debt default.

Obama and top lawmakers are aiming for a broad deficit reduction agreement in negotiations that could involve changes to popular entitlement programs such as Social Security.

Thursday's meeting at the White House followed weeks of impasse filled with acrimony and political finger-pointing."

more:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/07/us-usa-debt-idUSTRE7646S620110707

[WCGreen]

45. Way to go, president Obama....

keep the peoples house in the dark!

[_ed_]

46. Primary him

Seriously, what will this corporate hack have to do before people start actually threatening a primary against him?