In the Texas death case just tell Mexico

[LiberalFighter]

they can swap one of the Koch brothers. Whoops they're not from Texas. Well Mexico doesn't need to know that.

Of course, they are welcome to Rick Perry.

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. Alas mexico don't have a death penalty

and when it came for discussion after a horrific crime... it was decided that the moral cost to the nation was too high.

[Hangingon]

2. I am laughing my ass off about Mexican morality as I read

Borderland Beat.

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. You can laugh all you want

but the serious discussion happened in bringing it back... it came so close to actually leaving the only place it still exists, the military.

[Jim Warren]

10. It does pose a stiking contrast

A high moral code is the trademark of the hacienda oligarchy, lol.

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. The hacienda oligarchy went away oh circa 1915

And before it did there was a death penalty and the Rurales were quite brutal. But hey if you think nothing has happened since Diaz, then you are correct.

Fact is the US is in real good company on this, truly in good company, like China, Iran and Saudi Arabia.

:sarcasm: in case you need it.

[Jim Warren]

20. The old money, the same Castilian oligarchs run the country today.

nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

21. Nope...but I am sure you know this because that is what you think

There is a new oligarchy of relatively new money. Some from Spanish origins but not all. Best example, quick, what country did the Slimm family come from? Free hint not even Europe.

[Jim Warren]

24. One family of Lebanese immigrants

an oligarchy does not make.

Anyway, trying to communicate with you is a pointless exercise in dealing with passive/aggressive behavior and you're probably quite unaware of that,
snide little ":sarcasm: in case you need it." or "Nope...but I am sure you know this because that is what you think" put downs. Lord, ask yourself what has made you so arrogant to act that way to a complete stranger. Do you think you're so intelligent that no one else is worthy? I am reminded of something mi consuegra used to say: "they don't want to win, they just want to fight". For someone who flies the "we are one" banner, you've developed a very strange way to teach it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

25. He is the richest man in Mexico

and he is not alone.

Look, I am a historian by training. My area of specialty is Mexican History, independence period, and I grew up in mexico.

I think I know who rules the country of my birth, doncha think? Yes there are some people in the ruling oligarchy who are old families, and they are rare. This oligarchy rose AFTER the mexican revolution, and it has people in it from Eastern Europe, Germany, Lebanon, France, et al.

IT IS NOT the same group that lost all during the agricultural reforms after the revolution.

[NYC_SKP]

4. More proof that the US is like a Third World Country

Legend

Blue: Abolished for all crimes

Green: Abolished for crimes not committed in exceptional circumstances (such as crimes committed in time of war)

Orange: Abolished in practice

Red: Legal form of punishment

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_capital_punishment_by_country

x(

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. Yep, the only place it still exists, in theory

in mexico is in military law, the last time it was used was 1969.

[Hangingon]

7. Of course there is blood flowing in the streets, on the highways,

in the abandoned villages, and Fields outside cities. Mexico is a failed state. The government has no control over the cartels. Rather it seems that te cartels run the government. This posturing about Mexican moral superiority is delusional prattle.

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. Of course when you listen to the American press it is a failed state

so is the US... but for other reasons.

Fact is the us does have a death penalty, Mexico does not, and by the by... you thihk we have no violent crime or shootings? Difference is that the failed state of mexico has an organized resistance to the current state of affairs... and the us really does not... That said the US is starting to wake up and starting to resist.


I just stated a fact, Mexico does not have a death penalty and the US violated international law, not the first time... that is a mark of a ROGUE state.

There is a saying in Spanish that applies here... let's just say that indeed, there is trouble everywhere and instead of focusing on this, time we try to fix our own house... but it is also high time citizens demand, in the us, that if we are a state of laws, we follow them. Mexico has a war on drugs, party under the pressure of US authorities... the US has been violating treaty law since 2000 in major ways... we are not exceptional.

[Hangingon]

14. The US is not a failed state. We still have control and

criminals are not running their country.

"Fact is the us(sic) does have a death penalty, Mexico does not, and by the by... you thihk (sic) we have no violent crime or shootings? Difference is that the failed state of mexico has an organized resistance to the current state of affairs... and the us really does not... That said the US is starting to wake up and starting to resist."

What a poorly written paragraph.

We all agree the death penalty exists in the US. That does not make it a failed state. I did not say we have no violent crime or shooting. What amazing projection!

"Mexico has an "organized resistance to the current state of affairs and really the US does not?" Dumbest statement I have ever heard! Exactly what is their resistance? Defer to the cartels?

"I just stated a fact, Mexico does not have a death penalty and the US violated international law, not the first time... that is a mark of a ROGUE state."

Geez, we all know you stated that Mexico has no death penalty. You repeat it constantly and it has nothing to do with the argument. The US has not implemented a treaty - that means the Congress has not passed a law applying the treaty to states. This action does not make us a ROGUE STATE. For a rogue state look to North Korea.

"There is a saying in Spanish that applies here... let's just say that indeed, there is trouble everywhere and instead of focusing on this, time we try to fix our own house... but it is also high time citizens demand, in the us, that if we are a state of laws, we follow them. Mexico has a war on drugs, party under the pressure of US authorities... the US has been violating treaty law since 2000 in major ways... we are not exceptional."

I have no idea what the spanish saying is. Must have to do with fixing your own house first. I guess this could apply to Mexico. They should fix their country.

Let me reassure you, we - the US - are a state of laws. The "law" you accuse Texas of breaking does not exist. At the same time, Texas did apply the laws of the state.

Mexico has a war on drugs. Yes, we asked them to assist in the eradication of narco-terrorism. Is it your feeling that they should stop their war? That would lead to outright warlord rule wouldn't it?

I have no idea what you mean by "... we are not exceptional."

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. Bush is a war criminal

And started an aggressive war...to be charitable. That was part of the indictment at Nuremberg.

[Hangingon]

23. Bush - This is all you've got! Sorry - doesn't cut it.

[Upton]

6. This dude murdered, raped and brutalized a 16 year old girl..

excuse me if I don't feel bad that he was put down. And I could care less about Mexico. Their justice system is about as crooked as it gets..

[malaise]

9. Then follow the law

He may well have ended up with the same punishment but the US violated international law.

Hope you'll feel bad when the same happens to an American in one of the barbarian countries that practice this barbaric business called capital punishment.

[emilyg]

12. He lived in US from age 2. Suddenly

he wanted to be Mexican?

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. It does not matter

And I know expats who consider themselves American even when growing and living abroad all their lives. Yes, it happens.

Compliance with treaty law would not have changed outcome. Why is this so hard to understand? What we did is what we acuse Rogue states of doing.

[Hangingon]

15. Congress has not passed a law applying the treat to

the state. Therefore, no law was broken.

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. Supremacy clause

Treaties ratified by senate...but that's ok...

We are going down a very dark road.

[Hangingon]

22. SCOTUS ruled against you.

[emilyg]

11. I'm with you. He lived

in US since he was 2. When they found the young girl - she still had a piece of lumber in her vagina that he used to rape her.

[Obamanaut]

13. One way to avoid the same outcome as Humberto Leal Garcia when

in another country, or even at home in the USA - don't kidnap, rape, bludgeon to death anyone.

The man even left a stick insider her.

If I had had a vote, he would have suffered exactly the same death as his teen age victim. Exactly.

One wonders who here complaining about treaties would have really given a shit about said treaties if the little girl had been their daughter.

Her parents now have photos, and a gruesome account of her death.

Good for Gov. Perry!