Thank You Keith

[AnOhioan]

For your special comment that included a chastisement of BOTH the right and left. As is evidenced right here on DU....there are those that fall into the trap of us vs them.

The tragic events of today are attributable to the heightened political rhetoric that permeates the airwaves and cyberspace. Of that there is no doubt.

This rhetoric is not the exclusive purview of the the right...I have read posts on this forum that have chilled me to the bone.

Ask yourself if the parents of the nine year girl who lost her life today give a damn which side has ratcheted up the rhetoric more.

Those of you who insist those on the left are completely blameless are part of the problem, not the solution.

I am sure this post will be un-recommended but frankly I don't give a damn....todays loss of life is a chance for all of us, myself included, to take a step back.

[William769]

1. I agree.

K&R.

[Lint Head]

2. You are correct. The right just does the killing and shooting.

We are both responsible for the rhetoric.

[Lucinda]

3. I didn't hear KO but I agree with what you said.

Thank you for saying it.

[roguevalley]

4. I agree to a point. There is nothing in the left that can hold a

candle to Fox news, talk radio and the print hellions that have made this country so dangerous. I don't want equivalency here because that would be false, pure and simple. Name a leftie that shot someone. Name a leftie that advocated wholesale murder of the opposition. Angry voices here, the few that put it on here are not equivalent and to do this will be to allow them to wiggle off the hook. There is no equivalent Sarah Palin, no equivalent fox news, no equivalent freeper (you know what site I am posing here). We are not them and for the few amongst us with bitter words and aggression, there are armies of them. Don't give them to equivalency argument.

PS Sarahpac's addie: [e-mail]

[sabrina 1]

13. I agree completely. This 'both sides do it' is sickening.

Where is the equivalent of the kind of symbolism used by Palin in her map targeting Rep. Giffords? And if someone were to put something like that up on a board like this, it would be deleted.

On the right, they encourage it and then try to excuse it. I didn't see Keith tonight but if he is drawing comparisons between the left and the right regarding violent rhetoric and actual murders, I do not agree with him.

However, I know that being violent is not limited to the right. But in terms of political violence, they definitely are the winners.

[marybourg]

5. I disagree and I'm sick of this "both sides" meme. nt.

[DCKit]

6. You must be talking about some other left... the one that speaks of violence as a solution.

People who speak of violence and vilification (when it's not the plain truth) are, by definition, not "Left". We're the hippies, remember?

Posters are (right and rightly) tombstoned from DU for that shit.

[GoneOffShore]

7. I don't recall any progressive candidate ever calling

for the demise of folks in opposition.

I would normally un rec a post like this, but damn, you're "both sides do it" meme is just bullshit.

[immoderate]

8. Hold on a minute there...

We (and I don't know what you saw here that disturbed you so) are not the media. And calls to action on the left are excruciatingly tilted toward non violence in that our message is usually peace. Some folks on DU are more likely than me to use invective and vituperation, but then, I'm not the Magistrate, either. In any case, where have we advocated violence to overturn an election or legislation? Our commentators never advocate violence, or succession. I can't think of ANY examples.

We stand up for what's right. We tell the truth. And that pisses them off. And then they get violent and say we caused it. Fuck that!

What will they "balance" Giffords' hit with? Cindy Sheehan holding a photo? Dan Choi chained to the White House fence? Those people who dress in pink and hold up signs at hearings? What are you talking about?

These fuckers are drama queens who specialize in playing victim. They scare people. They don't play well in reality. We point it out. It upsets them. Then they demonize. And those that see the demons are left to do the deeds. "Not our fault. Liberals! Socialists!"

I think that everyone should be civil. And those that are not, should clean up their act. (Don't snicker. I am civil.)

In short, I don't think there's parity here. Sure, we all must strive, but there's no doubt who the black hats are.

--imm

[GoneOffShore]

9. I wish there was a "Rec" feature for individual posts

You'd get on.

Especially in regards to the OP.

[immoderate]

14. thanks. I didn't see yours while I was composing. It's absolutely right.

When I started writing there were only a couple of "dittos" so I was glad to see your post and others, when I "emerged." Actually, I think the balance will tilt a bit.

Especially after Sheriff Dupnik.

--imm

[Joe the Revelator]

12. Hell of a post.

[immoderate]

15. Gracias.

:)

--imm

[Joe the Revelator]

10. I completely disagree and will not be stepping back and leaving the country to these goons

[RegieRocker]

11. I disagree also and using the extremely sad death of a

nine year old girl and others to sway people to shy away from confronting evil is abhorrent. The left doesn't go around saying people should starve to death, be hanged, be terminated etc etc etc.

[Motown_Johnny]

16. give me one example of a liberal inciting violence

and I will give you a gun sight pointed at today's victim from a prominent Conservative

[fascisthunter]

17. let us know when someone from the left uses violence

on a republican politician. This "they do it too" bullshit needs to stop! I don't see the left trying to take away life of those on the right, and I sure as hell do not hear a left wing media spouting nearly as much shit to incite murder or violence. I hope others see the difference.

fucking unrec bigtime