How ignorant Americans have become! This Casey Anthony juror is afraid to go home because of this

[Sarah Ibarruri]

The lynch mob mentality that we Americans have become since the influence of Repugnicans from the 80s to the present, has brought us to this shit.




The miserable postscript for a Casey Anthony jurorBy Kerry Sanders, NBC News

Her name remains a secret. She’s known simply as juror number 12. And while she has a certificate from Florida’s 9th Circuit, embossed with calligraphy thanking her for her duty as a member of the Casey Anthony jury, her life since being released from that duty has been one of cat and mouse.

Now, she’s in hiding.

Juror number 12 left Florida. Her husband, fighting back tears, tells NBC News he’s not sure when she’ll return to her home in Florida.

http://fieldnotes.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/07/10/7055601-the-miserable-postscript-for-a-casey-anthony-juror?GT1=43001

[ClarkUSA]

1. You reap what you sow. How the heck they let her off the hook is beyond me.

This doesn't surprise me. On the other side of the coin, whacko Anthony lovers are stalking her parents, who thought she was guilty.

[Broderick]

3. +1

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[Broderick]

23. yep

[liskddksil]

11. -1,000,000

[Bragi]

7. Reap what you sow?

Are you kidding me? Please tell me you don't think it's okay to attack citizens who serve as jurors when you disagree with their judgements.

[ClarkUSA]

18. No, I never said that, did I? But it's hardly surprising given the circumstances.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

25. WHAT circumstances exactly? Care to explain the law? Or you live life based on gut hunches? nt

[ClarkUSA]

30. Before you up the hyperbolic attacks, take a look at the facts -->

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1464223&mesg_id=1464423

[Sarah Ibarruri]

56. I did, unlike you. Your facts consist of, "I don't like her." nt

[ClarkUSA]

65. Once again, that's a false statement. I hope you never sit on the witness stand.

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[snooper2]

Nancy is that you

:rofl:

[bettyellen]

148. dummies decided based on the opening statements, and on the punishment....

instead of the evidence (and yes there was plenty) and the charges. They admittedly also did not deliberate, had decided before the closing arguments.
They claim they got hung up because it was DP or nothing. Except it wasn't. after two months, you think they;d pay attention to the evidence or the closing statement- or maybe the judge's instructions? They did none of those things. Someone- or two- wanted a controversial outcome so they could get a book deal.

[NotThisTime]

156. +1,000,000

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

61. Yes you said it. In a roundabout way, angling for plausible deniability.

Me?

[ClarkUSA]

66. So many tea-leave readers, so little facts. Lynch mob, indeed.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

69. Call me back when we run you out from where you live.

:eyes:

[Cereal Kyller]

166. Bingo, CPD!

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Pithlet]

145. That is certainly what you implied n/t

[some guy]

158. Yeah, you did.

You very specifically wrote "you reap what you sow"

The question is what specifically did you mean by that?

[Sarah Ibarruri]

19. It's scary how lynch mobby Americans have become. They sure learned their Repugnican lessons well.

Of course, if they were falsely accused ever, they sure as hell would want the court rules applied, wouldn't they?

[Bluerthanblue]

85. to be fair, and because

I find the truth of it very uncomfortable- the KKK was actually started by Democrats.

disturbing information here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching_in_the_United_States

[Name removed]

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[ClarkUSA]

88. Why are you ignoring the fact that NOWHERE in your OP story does it mention anything "lynch mobby"?

I guess it makes for much less OUTRAGE, eh? :sarcasm:

[Bragi]

124. You wrote:

"if they were falsely accused ever, they sure as hell would want the court rules applied, wouldn't they?"

Quite probably, and well they should insist on their rights being upheld.

America's jury system is integral to its system of legal justice, NOT an impediment to it.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

133. Yes indeed. nt

[trumad]

8. Really---

You can't be fucking serious...

[ClarkUSA]

20. Not in the way you obviously mean, but in the sense that it's hardly surprising given their verdict.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

29. If you're ever falsely accused, please make sure to ask the court to dismiss all rules in your case

And address the jury and tell them that they may judge you based on whether they like you or not. Do that, will ya?

[ClarkUSA]

32. Do you think O.J. Simpson was "falsely accused" too?

[Warren DeMontague]

38. I'd rather have jurors deliver non-guilty verdicts that people don't agree with

than have lynch mobs delivering justice.

[ClarkUSA]

40. People keep mentioning "lynch mobs" but there is no mention of it in the OP story. Rather...

... here's what this woman did:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1464223&mesg_id=1464423

[Warren DeMontague]

44. She 'didn't feel safe'

That's the quote from the story. Maybe you have inside information that she was lying, but I'm willing to take her at her word.

[ClarkUSA]

45. So what? To go from that vague phrase to "lynch mobs" is fucking ridiculous.

[Warren DeMontague]

49. "you reap what you sow"- those were YOUR words.

Sorry, no amount of backpedaling is gonna get away from what you clearly meant. Maybe you should take it back.

[ClarkUSA]

57. I explained why I said that but you're conflating my sentiment to imply I approve of "lynch mobs".

What I originally said:

ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-11-11 12:38 PM
Response to Original message
1. You reap what you sow. How the heck they let her off the hook is beyond me.

Edited on Mon Jul-11-11 12:39 PM by ClarkUSA
This doesn't surprise me. On the other side of the coin, whacko Anthony lovers are stalking her parents, who thought she was guilty.

[Warren DeMontague]

120. My point is, the only thing this juror "sowed" was doing her civic duty.

I think it's a horribly dangerous road to go down if we've got jurors afraid for their personal safety if they deliver 'unpopular' verdicts.

[RedCloud]

47. Prosecution could not PROVE ANYTHING despite blowing $9mm

So they must LOSE! I saw the whole trial on Court TV. You obviously didn't.
Otherwise you would remember a great sidebar...

"The LAPD routinely plants evidence." By their star detective. Not allowed in court because:

#1 All courts must throw out police evidence.
#2 In California if police purger during murder cases they can receive the death penalty too.

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[SwampG8r]

168. falsely accused you say?

and you have the temerity to call southerners stupid?

[alcibiades_mystery]

9. A horrendous sentiment

Speechless.

[ClarkUSA]

24. Um, why? I wasn't advocating violence, just expressing non-surprise.

[Warren DeMontague]

42. Heavens! Who could find fault with that?

:eyes:

[ClarkUSA]

43. Are you outraged over the rest of what I said too?

This doesn't surprise me. On the other side of the coin, whacko Anthony lovers are stalking her parents, who thought she was guilty.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1464223&mesg_id=1464240

[Warren DeMontague]

48. I think the whole fucking thing was a circus, and I suspect she was guilty.

And it's not worth that much of my time beyond that, either.

But I do think that we need to let jurors come to their own conclusions. We have enough people railroaded into jail without a decent trial, although I suppose the good news in the Casey Anthony story is that now there will be one more jail cell available for a pot smoker. :sarcasm:

[ClarkUSA]

70. I agree with you. Even the sarcastic bit.

[Fumesucker]

10. So you support mob action against jurors with whose verdicts you disapprove?

At one time I would have been surprised to read such words on DU..

Sadly, that's no longer the case.

[pitohui]

22. there was no mob action (read the whole link)

when it was first posted, i couldn't read it, the page wouldn't load but now i have

this woman isn't afraid of anything nor are any other jurors hiding out, she's taking the opportunity to abandon her husband and job -- she quit her job over the phone w. a bullshit excuse! she quit her husband and left the state! she has seized this opportunity to abandon her whole life

we expect men to have this kind of mid life crisis but it does happen to women too

my guess is she's hoping to get a teevee show out of it, if i were hubby, i wouldn't be crying for reporters to get my wife back, if i truly didn't know when she was going to come home, i would be discussing the abandonment and the financial consequences w. an attorney, and i mean TODAY if not earlier

[Feron]

83. Her reaction isn't surprising considering that...

a man mistaken for a Casey Anthony juror has been harassed:

http://www2.tbo.com/news/breaking-news/2011/jul/08/st-petersburg-resident-confused-for-casey-anthony--ar-242626/

[dionysus]

12. that's fucked up clark.

[ClarkUSA]

27. No, not really. I was merely expressing non-surprise at the effect of their decision.

[hfojvt]

52. no, that phrase "you reap what you sow"

fully implies that they deserve what they are getting. It's not very surprising when MLK lead the Montgomery bus boycott that racists bombed his house and half destroyed it when his family was inside, but most people are not gonna say to that "well, you reap what you sow".

Now the white supremicist who got his a$$ kicked by the black guy he decided to harrass? There's a guy who reaped what he sowed. He planted some seeds of hatred and violence and reaped the harvest of a broken nose.

[dionysus]

81. i think she was guilty, too, but i don't think it's right for ppl to go after the jurors.

[ClarkUSA]

84. I never said it was "right for ppl to go after jurors" but I am not surprised this is happening.

Again, I said in my original reply:

"This doesn't surprise me. On the other side of the coin, whacko Anthony lovers are stalking her parents, who thought she was guilty."

[krabigirl]

13. wow. Heck, why don't we just replace juries with mob or media-meted justice? LMAO

[cyberpj]

16. Mmmm...No. But I'd go for the technology of a lie detector over gullible jurors. nt

[Sarah Ibarruri]

17. Once again (God I get tired of explaining). There was no proof 'beyond a reasonable doubt'

Lynch mobs can move to Saudi Arabia. Thanks.

You and I might hate her attitude, and might dislike everything she did, but an unpleasant or bad person is not automatically guilty of any crime simply because she is unpleasant or bad.

Court has rules. Lynch mob may decide is not one of them.

[ClarkUSA]

36. You keep mentioning "lynch mobs" but there is no mention of it in your OP story.

Cut the hyperbole, already.

Here is a summary of what this woman did:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1464223&mesg_id=1464423

[Sarah Ibarruri]

60. Lynch mob mentality. If you want an example of one, go back to your first response to my op nt

[ClarkUSA]

80. Nothing I said warrants your hyperbolically false attacks. Or did you miss what else I said -->

This doesn't surprise me. On the other side of the coin, whacko Anthony lovers are stalking her parents, who thought she was guilty.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

82. Drop it. It's clear to everyone that you are incitable and would be so on a jury nt

[ClarkUSA]

86. Why don't you "drop" the bullshit? NOWHERE in the OP story does it mention "lynch mobs".

It's obvious you have no grasp of the facts in your very own OP story.

[SwampG8r]

169. th epoint of the OP

is to call americans names she does the same when discussing the south
its just a cloudy excusable way to vent anti southern and anti american hate speech

[pipi_k]

46. Actually, the truth is...

there was no proof beyond a reasonable doubt for that jury


Another jury may well have found her guilty, maybe of manslaughter, or, at the very least, of aggravated child abuse.


There was plenty of evidence for me to give either of those two verdicts.

That's why lawyers and prosecutors CHOOSE a jury. Because people don't all think the same way.

[ClarkUSA]

55. Thank you. You speak for me.

Actually, the truth is...
Posted by pipi_k

there was no proof beyond a reasonable doubt for that jury


Another jury may well have found her guilty, maybe of manslaughter, or, at the very least, of aggravated child abuse.


There was plenty of evidence for me to give either of those two verdicts.

That's why lawyers and prosecutors CHOOSE a jury. Because people don't all think the same way.

:thumbsup:

[Sarah Ibarruri]

59. Every jury is a composite of different people. For example, lynch mob lovers could be on a jury

A lynch mob lover would definitely want someone like that to fry, regardless of the facts. We are all human beings, and react differently.

HOWEVER, the Judge explained very succinctly what would constitute reasonable doubt. They took that very seriously. Fortunately, there were no lynch mobs in that jury.

[ClarkUSA]

89. Juries could be also made up of people that make up shit when there are no facts backing them up.

Too bad that happens all too often.

[pipi_k]

112. You know...

I heard a criminal defense attorney the other day say that, had she been on that jury, they would probably still be there hashing things out because SHE thought there was enough evidence beyond a reasonable doubt.

Finding someone guilty of a crime doesn't equate with being a "lynch mob lover".

And as much as you don't want to admit it, people really can, and do, see different forms of evidence and testimony as being enough for them to convict, even if it's on a lesser charge than Capital Murder.

YOUR truth is not necessarily someone else's truth.

[ClarkUSA]

115. Exactly.

I heard a criminal defense attorney the other day say that, had she been on that jury, they would probably still be there hashing things out because SHE thought there was enough evidence beyond a reasonable doubt.

Finding someone guilty of a crime doesn't equate with being a "lynch mob lover".

And as much as you don't want to admit it, people really can, and do, see different forms of evidence and testimony as being enough for them to convict, even if it's on a lesser charge than Capital Murder.

YOUR truth is not necessarily someone else's truth.

[kick-ass-bob]

73. "there was no proof beyond a reasonable doubt for that jury" and let me add

that prosecutorial job.

There may have been "plenty of evidence" for you, watching from your tower with extraneous information, but you have no idea what it feels like inside that courtroom and that jury room.

[pipi_k]

116. I heard everything the jurors heard.

The only things I didn't see were photos.

One doesn't need photos to know someone is dead. The descriptions of how and where Caylee was found were good enough. She's dead.


I'm certainly not going to sit here and argue every piece of evidence with you.

Neither can you sit there and claim that the evidence presented by the prosecution was not enough for anybody.

There are loads of people who spent hours and hours and hours watching that case and who heard the same things the jury did, who also think Casey was guilty.

If people will sometimes use their emotions instead of their heads to find someone guilty, then let me also state that it can go the other way. One of those jurors was a woman who stated during questioning that because of her religion, she "could not judge people". Another juror had tickets for a cruise set to leave on July 7th. Finding Casey guilty of anything other than what the defense had already admitted to would have required them to then decide her sentence. That would likely have happened after the cruise ship left. Pretty convenient that they wrapped up the case and got a verdict out just in time.

Am I cynical? You bet.

Jurors are human, and I don't put anything past them.

So I'll say the same thing I told the OP...your truth isn't necessarily someone else's truth.

[Dappleganger]

95. Well said.

[bettyellen]

149. the court has rules, and a few of the jury admitted breaking them

I'm not sure why we let lawyers say any old crazy shit in their opening statements, but they are not to be taken into consideration at all. Neither is the penalty when considering let charges- that os a distinct and separate phase. yet, jurors interviewed have said that is reason one and two they let her off the hook. They allude to the decision being made before closing, which they were actually supposed to take into account. Even more laughable, everyone is saying that the prosecution set themselves up for failure, because it was DP or nothing- this is also completely wrong. It kind of blows my mind, but they didn;t follow any of the rules. Probably because they just didn;t like believing a woman could do this for such a shallow reason. If it was a stranger or a guy, I bet they would have convicted.

[sabrina 1]

26. Wow, did you forget a snark tag?

Or are you actually supporting vigilante justice?

The jury did the job they were asked to do and were not subjected to Nancy Grace's screaming 'hang her' mob inducing nightly ranting so they heard only the evidence, or the lack of it.

I would far rather have a jury like this than the kind you appear to be advocating.

Shame on anyone who would support attacking the jury just because they do not like the verdict.

All I can say is, it is a good thing that the vast majority of trials take place out of the media or there would apparently be a lot of violence in this country.

[hifiguy]

33. So YOU were in the courtroom and heard all the evidence

Einstein?

Wow. A defense lawyer does not have to prove one thing in a criminal trial. The prosecution has to prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt.

Wonder if you get so snarky when the innocent go to prison, which happens every day.

[Warren DeMontague]

34. Yes, burn her for doing her job as a citizen as she saw it.

Really, what this country needs is people terrified of serving as jurors and turning in non-guilty verdicts, because some nutjob asshole might come after them for it.

GREAT FUCKING PLAN.

[ClarkUSA]

92. Yet another strawman argument. Why, is that something you'd do?

[elleng]

41. Dear Clarkie, 'no evidence' did it, ONLY circumstantial.

:hi:

[ClarkUSA]

117. Nice to hear from you, Ellen.

Here's are replies to what you said.

I agree with this poster, minus the final sentence:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1464223&mesg_id=1465396

And here, again minus the final sentence, of course:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1464223&mesg_id=1465323

[elleng]

121. Thanks, Clarkie. Demonstrates truism: There are (at least) 2 sides to every story.

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[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

58. Fourth.

[kick-ass-bob]

63. What the fuck? She was called for jury duty.

She did her job. The prosecutors obviously didn't do theirs. What the fuck did she sow?

You didn't sit in the jury box, and I'd be surprised if you ever have. Things look very different from inside there that it does from the outside world with access to all this extraneous information. The prosecutor couldn't even prove the kid was murdered, let alone by whom.

You reap what you sow, my ass. You have hit another low, my friend.

[slackmaster]

67. If you haven't served as a trial juror on a criminal case, you probably don't really understand it

I encourage people to embrace jury duty whenever they are called to serve. I found it to be an eye-opening experience.

[kick-ass-bob]

76. hear hear. I did as well.

You just don't get that same feeling from watching Matlock or CourtTV.

[MadHound]

68. Wow, you are stooping lower than even I thought you capable of

Condoning mob action, approving the harassment of jurors, wow.

[ClarkUSA]

97. More strawman fallacies? I feel the same way about you... actually, no, it's par for the course.

[no limit]

74. Why am I not surprised that you don't believe in innocent until proven guilty?

[ClarkUSA]

98. Boy, there must be a dollar bullshit special on strawman fallacies today.

:sarcasm:

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[Karmadillo]

90. Sometimes it helps to reconsider the path you've taken.

nt

[polmaven]

91. I must disagree with you, this time, Clark..

The jury sat in the courtroom every day, and they heard every word of the testimony. We did not. When they say there was just not sufficient evidence to convict Anthon y of a capital crime, I have to say that, even if they "suspec"t she is guilty, (which, btw, I do), without sufficient evidence to put it beyond any reasonable doubt, they did the right thing. In my opinion, the prosecution did not do a sufficient job of showing that, and her defense counsel was able to plant that doubt.

That, to me, is what our justice system is all about. As the saying goes, it is better for ten guilty people to walk free than for one innocent person to be executed.

[ClarkUSA]

100. Thanks, polmaven, for your mature and classy reply. I agree with your final point.

However, here's are things to chew on:

1. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1464223&mesg_id=1465271

2. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1464223&mesg_id=1465396


As I said in my original reply, I am not surprised this is happening on both sides of the opinion aisle (e.g., Anthony's parents are in hiding from Casey's fans).

But I still feel for the poor kid.

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[myrna minx]

99. You've clearly never served as a juror. It's a very solemn charge not to be taken lightly.

Jurors who do their civic duty should not be subjected to enraged vigilantes. Nancy Grace is not America's juror.

[ClarkUSA]

101. I have. Also, there is zero mention in the OP story of "enraged vigilantes" or "lynch mobs" at all.

I agree with your point re: Nancy Grace, a show I have never watched but have seen parodied.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

109. If the harassment is imaginary, that thing she ''sowed'' and ''reaped'' is what exactly? -nt

[bullwinkle428]

Not surprised at all by this comment, given your "screw the innocent victims"

opinion regarding drone strikes.

[ClarkUSA]

105. That's a false accusation. Why are you using quotes for something I never said?

[CBGLuthier]

125. reap what you sow? For doing her civic duty? Are You out of your fucking mind?

[butterfly77]

131. Do you think they will..

do the same for republiCONS???

[rug]

137. What are you approving? Intimidating a juror is a felony.

[yardwork]

155. Maybe people should chill the fuck out about the Anthony trial. It's over.

I think that she killed her daughter too, but I can manage to control my feelings enough to recognize that it's important to let our country's system of justice - flawed though it may be - play out. There was a trial. The prosecution lost. Blaming the jury is hysterical.

[ZombieHorde]

159. Wow, I don't think I have ever seen so many angry replies to one reply.

That is pretty impressive. I hope you can still breathe at the bottom of that dog pile.

[Dash87]

161. I think it's looking more like a "Zombie Horde" now

:D

[ZombieHorde]

163. Ha! Good one. nt

[Hugabear]

164. Let's SCRAP the jury system we've used for 200 years, institute vigilante justice instead

Popular opinion is a much better barometer of a person's innocence or guilt.

:sarcasm:

[Cali_Democrat]

165. Your disdain for the jury system is noted. n/t

[Lucian]

167. Um, she did her job.

Her job was to look at the evidence and convict or don't convict based on the evidence. And it has to be beyond a reasonable doubt. Since there was no proof that Anthony did it beyond a reasonable doubt, she was found not guilty for murder.

I believe she did it, but luckily we don't do (many) things in this country based on beliefs.

[obxhead]

2. Americans have had a lynch mob mentality long before the 80's.

In fact we had that mentality long before the country was even founded.

[krabigirl]

14. People always have, it's sick.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

31. Yes, but they've honed it to perfection since the right wing fascists have been popular nt

[atreides1]

5. I'm sorry this happened

Hopefully the other jurors are not having to deal with this.

[Fumesucker]

6. Delete.. posted in the wrong place..

[pitohui]

15. she sounds like she's mentally ill but what does that have to w. ignorance?

this woman has freaked out and run away from husband, work, and home, giving some pitiful excuse for retiring over the phone and communicating with her hubby by long distance?

this ain't about being on the jury, this is about this woman has some kind of serious issues

i've heard some creative stories for abandoning one's spouse and job but this one takes the cake!!!

i'll bet her husband is in tears, if i was in his shoes, i'd be talking to a lawyer NOW about the abandonment issue and securing my financial future, since neither of them is getting any younger while she's having her fun doing whatever she's doing in another state with whoever she's doing it with

[Kali]

87. that's what it sounds like to me

[spanone]

21. lynch mod mentality fueled by the media

[Sarah Ibarruri]

39. Bread and circuses, to encourage those who say, "Hell yeah! Let's fry them!"

Sometimes I think the lynch mob mentality folks have no interest in learning anything whatsoever. They just want to live making decisions with their medulla oblongata.

[DURHAM D]

28. Odd statement -

"I’d rather go to jail than sit on a jury like this again.”

She said "jury" not "case".

Now I am more curious than ever about the jury.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

62. She probably meant sit on a jury on a case that was turned into a media circus nt

[pipi_k]

35. OK so obviously there are only two explanations for this...

1. The "lynch mobs" out there threatening death and violence are ALL Republicans

or

2. It's actually innocent Democrats who are acting that way because of some big Republican Mind Control plot.



OK

[Sarah Ibarruri]

79. Lynch mob mentality is what Naziism is about. It's what right wing extremists enjoy so much.

Do you subscribe to that sort of mentality?

[pipi_k]

110. I think you missed my point

Are you saying that every single person who has lobbed a threat against Casey Anthony and/or her family is Republican?

No Democrats? No Independents? No Libertarians?

ALL Republicans?



Also...

Whatever belief system "extremist Republicans" subscribe to, are you saying that anyone involved in a mob mentality is just a victim of Republican Mind Control?


Also, are you claiming that lynch mob mentality did not exist before the 21st Century? It didn't exist before the 20th Century? The 19th? 18th? It didn't exist in other countries?

How about the mobs who captured and imprisoned Marie Antoinette and Louis XVI and then subsequently executed them? I'll bet the Republicans and Nazis were responsible for that, too...

[Sarah Ibarruri]

114. Maybe not. There's stupidity on both sides. But violence is generally the M.O. of right wingers

:scared:

[pipi_k]

119. Oh, but I beg to differ there...

Case in point, the many child spanking threads that have occurred here over the years.

Plenty of LWers believe in physical violence. A disturbing number, in fact.

And from other threads, plenty of LWers believe in verbal abuse. In real life. Here against other DUers.

How many here wouldn't pass up the chance to kick a Teabagger's ass?

Violence of any kind doesn't belong to a particular political party.

[Bluerthanblue]

122. and.... the KKK which was infamous for

lynching, had some prominent Democratic roots.
FDR vetoed anti lynching legislation back in the 30's. He went on to do much good.

violence is an equal opportunity destroyer imo and experience.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

126. I am not a peacenik, holding up a sign. I believe that when someone is beating you up...

you need to defend yourself however you can. I don't believe people should be helpless in the face of harm. I also think that sociopaths and psychopaths one has to be wary of. However, there's a GIGANTIC difference between BELIEVING that someone killed someone, and KNOWING it. The Innocence Project doesn't exist because a bunch of lawyers have nothing better to do. It exists because people get sent to prison and sentence to death because they "LOOKED" guilty, "BEHAVED" guilty, "LIED," there was no one else available to blame, and they were unpleasant, mean, irresponsible, stupid, evil, or mean-spirited.

I'm the first one to want to kick some Republican's @$$ for the damage they are constantly trying to do to the helpless. There's a big difference between some @hole constantly threatening to do harm to the helpless, and throngs wishing him ill for being a constant thief and @hole doing harm to all of us, and 1 dumbass who may or may not have killed 1 kid, that gets accused of killing her kid, no one has solid proof of a damned thing, but some are threatening to kill her and to hurt the jurors on the case.

And what's really, really interesting, is that these same idiots that have no idea how the law works, are not out there locating the cases of the children that have been murdered by adults. They only care about this one kid, this one mother, and this one case.

It's majorly f'd up.

[elleng]

37. 'Ignorant' is not the word. Have to think of one,.

[Bluerthanblue]

51. viscious? barbaric? savage?

ugly?

I agree, ignorant didn't fit for me either. Ignorant says "not knowing better". We know better. We'd like to claim otherwise, but we know better imo.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

75. Easily led by tabloid material? Lovers of bread and circuses? Childish? Uneducated? nt

[ck4829]

54. Why do people want to blame the jury? The prosecution failed to prove that she was the murderer

Now all of the sudden nobody wants to get mad at the public employee. Weird.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

71. The media turned this into a media circus. The media manipulates everything. Look at Murdoch

His media is pure tabloid shit. The American media distorts everything, and gets everyone's emotions involved in the process.

[Broderick]

64. Oh good grief

The hysteria to convict her co-workers without even deliberating the evidence is irony. It is much simpler than that. This juror knows her story is worth more with the hysteria thrown in.

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[Broderick]

94. Thus the profit motive

for making her story more valuable. Yep. 50000 was too little for one juror already.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

96. Meaning? nt

[Broderick]

102. A not guilty verdict

is far more valuable. It keeps the talking heads talking, and the jurors can sit back and determine what price they will be paid. Adding a little hysteria and faux threats (which in the article don't exist) the value of the interviews and books goes up. Irony is because the co-workers are guilty in pretense without example - yet the jury had little time to even cover the instructions in deliberations lone enough the mountains of evidence presented but made the most profitable decision post haste. Hopefully the profits received outweigh any negatives for them.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

103. The media was who turned this into bread and circuses. They do this.

Instead of discussing our dire economic situation, they focus on 1 trial in which what happened, happens DAILY all over the U.S.

It almost seemed as if they were trying to distract us from the real issues.

In any case, I'm very glad Murdoch and his tainted media are being exposed.

I do hate the media. They're pure tabloid and take the more feeble-minded, and turn them into lynch mob members.

[Broderick]

106. I think the case was unique in the beginning

because of the non-reported missing child. Likely it is a distraction, and one that will continue on for some time while the people around the case and the jury in particular to this thread get their monetary rewards. Wasn't OJ a real distraction to something else going on? I forget now, but I remember saying it was back in those days......

[Sarah Ibarruri]

107. I have a friend who works at DCF, and believe me, this kind of thing is not totally different

There are far more bizarre cases. The media grabbed this and ran with it. It pumped it up, and meantime, we had the Boehners trying to f*** up our country more and more, and what was the media spending millions on? On 1 case like millions of others, about child murder.

[Broderick]

108. HLN

Headline News.


24/7 Casey Anthony, meanwhile Rome burns.

I still think it was unique in some ways, especially when it took off. The sad, very sad fact, is that it would have got nary a scant national honorable mention if the defendant had been something other than a tiny, lily white, attractive female.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

111. I hate to sound catty, but she wasn't exactly attractive. To me, anyway.

But then, I'm not attracted to women, so I'm sure men find her attractive.

[Broderick]

118. As time went on

And lies were exposed, she wasn't so attractive anymore to. I see her as a monster. Just my opinion. I think as Americans we have every right to disagree with a verdict. As far as this woman goes, I stand behind my thoughts that she is creating more value for her upcoming interviews.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

127. Lots of people that the Innocence Project has found innocent through DNA seemed

monsters at one time. Unless you're some kind of god and know everything, there's no way you can know a thing about this, since no one else does. Unless you were present at the death of this kid.

[Broderick]

129. In this case

I feel right. There was a mountain of evidence. People get convicted on much less like Scott Peterson. It is what it is. I just hope the profiting off a little girl that is dead stops. And that means the jurors too. 50k isn't enough for an interview? Good grief. I hope she doesn't kill again.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

132. In this case nothing. In all cases, people have thought someone or another was guilty...

then DNA proved that wrong.

[Broderick]

135. Most never get the luxury of ten plus lawyers

She did. Even the most obvious guilty people are lucky at times and on the other hand many get one lawyer that is court appointed.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

136. I'm curious what is your field. I work in a law firm. The kind of things you're coming up with....

tell me you and the law are unknown to one another. These sound more like tabloid-style like comments you're making.

[Broderick]

139. Sigh

A close friend of Tim Miller. That is all. A simple business owner who invested money and time to find a missing child that was kidnapped. I am certain your degree is much better than mine. Lol. Well, we thought she was missing. Sigh. Carry on. I don't take the insults personal.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

143. I'm so sorry. Forgive me. I can't imagine how hard that must be. :(

I'm definitely not saying my degree is better than yours - at all! It isn't.

It's just that the law is so different from what outsiders believe. I recall being a juror on a murder case, and when we were first presented the case, I figured the man was guilty. However, the issues the jurors have to look at are very specific.

[bettyellen]

151. you're giving this jury too much credit. they got reasonable doubt from the Opening statement

and decided the charges on the penalty, not the charges. And at least two indicated they are writing books. They wanted DNA from a body that had been in a swamp for 6 months? Not too smart. And not a proud moment for the system.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

162. So what if 2 are writing books? The media made this case famous enough, not the jury

There are many children who are murdered, but somehow, a huge number of people became emotionally involved with this case. Ridiculous to let the media control one's emotions this way. I never watched the trial. Some people were addicted to the damned thing. I could care less what was going on. Some people flew in and fought one another for an entrance into the courtroom. Stupidity. This should've been a silent case, tried privately, and not a fucking circus, like the OJ trial. No trial should be broadcasted. It just serves as yet another reality show the media gets rich off of and the rest get our brains screwed with.

[cwydro]

138. Sadly not a unique case.

We have a trial going on in NC right now that is similar in many ways.

[Broderick]

140. I think that I know the case

Quite different. Probably more horrific. There is one brewing in Virginia too.

[cwydro]

146. Every case is different.

Just pointing out that there are many of these cases where a child is done away with and nothing is reported.

[AngryAmish]

104. Florida...

[cwydro]

123. Oh the gratuitous region insult...

yawn.

Every state has its share of wacky sounding verdicts.

Gimme a break.

[Aerows]

113. It's easy to judge

when it's not you making the decision whether to send someone to prison or not, or possibly even condemn them to the death penalty.

She may well be guilty, but if the court can't prove it, who really wants to be the person that finds out later down the line that they condemned someone that was innocent of the charges?

[Cali_Democrat]

128. That sucks. n/t

[butterfly77]

130. Why can't they do that for republiCONS..

and that means everywhere they go,country club,grocery store,parties,work,church on vacation,townhalls,etc..

[Initech]

141. WTF.

I just don't know about this one. The thing is - nobody likes jury duty. But if you're on a high profile case and return an unpopular verdict, you are not an accessory to that crime. Any lawyer in the country will tell you that. It's scary that this kind of shit happens because the members of the jury aren't allowed to talk about a case until the verdict has been rendered. But labeling them as accessories is dumb, and it will get you into serious trouble.

[DearAbby]

142. What gets me

there are many cases of horrible abuse and child death all over the country, why that case, and why now? Each case is painfully sad, with dead child as result...why this case, and why now?

Ask yourself this, would this case been nationalized as it was 30-40 yrs ago? Can you imagine Walter Cronkite sitting around chatting with TV Lawyers about day's proceedings in a court room?

[pipi_k]

144. Why this case? Why now?

Maybe they discovered that enough people were interested and gave them what they wanted.

It's not even news anymore on the cable channels. The local channels are no better. They all think they have to be so cutesy. Even the weather guy on a particular local channel. What a lame ass.

Just give us the news. Just give us the weather.

I miss Uncle Walter...

[TNLib]

147. That's why I hate these over hyped trials

Everything turns into a mess.
and I've yet to see a verdict that I would agree with.

[NC_Nurse]

150. This is thanks to Nancy Grace and her cohorts. Ugh.

[bettyellen]

152. she's afraid of letter requesting interviews, or imaginay disagreements with coworkers? bullshit.

[JI7]

157. yeah, i think a lot of them thought they would be seen as more heroes

and didn't expect the ridicule and are now looking to play victim.

i'm not saying there haven't been any threats but considering the names have not been released.....

i think they were surprised most people saw the evidence and thought she was guilty and didn't think the dad was the bad one as they thought.

[Kaleva]

153. America has always been this way. Saying it started in the 80's is just plain silly.

[lynne]

154. Stretch much or just have no concept of history prior to the 1980's?

As people have been doing this crap since time began. In every country and every culture.

Trying to align it to politics is almost funny. But not. Just sad. And very unimaginative.

[Union Scribe]

160. Hmm, that'll make a great hook for her book or exclusive interview.

In fact they can call it, "Fighting Back Tears"!

Just more bullshit from a 12-pack of idiots.