Witness: He was trying to reload - ready for war

[RamboLiberal]

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2011/01/08/exp.az.zamudio.witness.cnn?hpt=T1

Incidentally the witness Joe Zamudio was carrying a handgun himself. No he did not draw it because the gunman was already on the ground where others had wrestled him down before he could reload his empty gun with another extended magazine.

[gateley]

1. And yet another report says he still had ammo. We're getting conflicting

reports - the gun was legal, the gun was illegal. It will be interesting to see what the final facts are once this settles down.

[RamboLiberal]

4. Yes he still had ammo

The gun was empty because he had shot that magazine empty. He was attempting to load another extended magazine 30-33 rounds. And according to witness he had 2 more magazines which I understand were the standard 15 round mags that would've come with the gun.

[gateley]

28. Okay - I get it -- thanks. nt

[MichaelHarris]

2. So

the kid got off 17, 18 shots while a Mr. Joe Zamundio considered using his concealed weapon? If ole Joe saw him on the ground chances are he was there when the shooting started. Just another example of a concealed weapon NOT stopping a mass shooting. Joe shoulda kept his mouth shut cuz now he just looks a chicken-shit.

[beyurslf]

3. He said he was in a store when the shooting started, so it isn't like he stood out there

watching it all.

[MichaelHarris]

5. ooooo

that's much better, he stayed in the store and had a coke and a little cover. Brave guy.

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[MichaelHarris]

9. sure I do

I shoot all the time.

[pipoman]

8. Of coarse you know

that a private citizen with a concealed carry permit has no obligation to use it to protect anyone....I believe you also know that even a police officer is under no obligation to protect anyone at all except a person in custody...

A well trained shooter would never take a shot which back stop isn't clear so even if he was standing ten feet away, it may have been wise not to shoot, but you know that too..

[Dappleganger]

12. Thank you!

One person posting with sense. My ccw is protect ME and MY family, not to play vigilante or pretend cop and possibly shoot others in the process.

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[Dappleganger]

17. NO

I am not a fucking cop and neither are YOU.

[X_Digger]

18. Who has ever claimed that a person with a CHL should play cop? You? n/t

[pipoman]

21. Yep, there's a goofy joke here alright

too bad it isn't even slightly funny.

[NuclearDem]

22. You're right, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

IT'S SO FUNNY!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Dappleganger]

11. Do you have any idea how far away the store was from the shooter?

Or any other details you might like to add, so as you must've been there on the ground.

:eyes:

[MichaelHarris]

13. nope

I'm going by what the guy with the gun on the ground who didn't stop shit said.

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[MichaelHarris]

23. well according to

Zamudio, the guy with the carry permit, he was one of the bystanders who pinned the gunman to the ground until police showed up. I would say that was closer than the store you said he was in.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/08/arizona.shooting.scene/

[RamboLiberal]

27. It was over in seconds

Within seconds after the shooting began, a man who was grazed by a bullet grabbed the gunman, a middle-aged woman wrestled ammunition away from him, and a group of people held him down while another man grabbed the gun out of his hand, a man who helped subdue the shooter told CNN Sunday.

Zamudio had been inside a nearby Walgreens when he heard the shots ring out.

"I ran outside towards the shots and when I rounded the corner, the first thing I saw was the people wrestling with the gunman. Behind that it was just kind of like people laying everywhere and kind of falling and crawling. Kind of realizing you had been shot is a weird thing to go through, I think. The people didn't really know. They were saying, 'What happened? What was that?' And then it started, a lot of 'I'm bleeding.' Like, this is real -- this is real. And then it was just, you know, 'Where's the ambulances?' It was just like nobody really knew what was going on. Nobody could really come to terms with it for minutes it seemed like. Nobody really kind of realized the massiveness of what happened."

"What really scared me," Zamudio said, was seeing a middle-aged, "maybe elderly woman," wrestling the next magazine away from the gunman. "I realized he was trying to reload his gun... I just kind of fell on him too, like kind of put my weight over him, and made sure the gun was down and out of play."

The gunman was already on the ground when Zamudio got there, he said. "I laid on him and held him down, and made sure the gun was down."

http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/01/09/arizona.shooting.wrestled.gunman/index.html?hpt=C1

[mmonk]

29. Informative. Thanks.

[Statistical]

30. Thank you for adding some facts.

So when he heard shots he ran to the situation and when he arrived the suspect was being subdued by some of the victims. So he did the right thing and NOT DRAW his weapon and fire into a crowd and instead used his body weight to ensure the suspect couldn't bring the gun to bear.

Having a CCW doesn't mean you go blasting anywhere and everywhere. It means using judgment and only drawing when it is appropriate.

[friendly_iconoclast]

14. You weren't there, so why are you bloviating about what the witness should have done?

Ooops, forgot about your preexisting agenda against CCW weapons. Mustn't let facts interfere, and all that.

Carry on.....

[RamboLiberal]

6. He was in a store by the time he got outside the gunman

was on the ground. You can shoot off a full magazine very quickly and even aim.

[MichaelHarris]

24. really?

"Zamudio said he was one of the bystanders who pinned the gunman to the ground until police showed up." http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/08/arizona.shooting.scene/

was he in the store or wresting a guy to the ground?

[Statistical]

31. Both. How about you read the entire thread and pick up some facts.

[lumberjack_jeff]

10. -1. n/t

[NuclearDem]

19. Wonderful! I never thought we'd get this opportunity

To talk to someone who was there!

Oh, wait...you weren't? So you really have no idea what the situation was like?

Well, gee, sounds to me like you shouldn't be judging how others should respond to a traumatic event you were never involved in. :crazy:

[friendly_iconoclast]

20. Didn't you know our interlocutor is an expert on guns and gun crime?

Ask him about open carry in Idaho sometime....

[Le Taz Hot]

25. "Reload"

Seems I've heard that term recently. How sad.

[jimlup]

26. This is terrorism not warfare