Why is it the rethugs are so loopy about the verdict for Casey Anthony?

[RegieRocker]

To them it's OK if hundreds of innocent people a year are thrown in jail. Or that a person spends 20yrs in jail for a joint? Some of which die in jail. I've never seen a relative turmoil, or a length of time, that the rethugs became angered about the suffering of a innocent person that was thrown in jail. Is it really the victim they care about, or the wanton revenge they must have on the attacker? Could it be that they want to see people suffer? Is that their only goal? Do they not have one shred of decency in them to really care for another person? Are they like a lynch mob, ruled by emotions? I have my reasonable doubts that they truly care about anyone or anything but themselves.

Far too many people are tried and sentenced without the proper evidence. Far too many are convicted by emotions. Far too many are convicted by "We just know they did it".

This is why she was acquitted of murder.

http://jonathanturley.org/2011/07/08/casey-anthony-case-hate-the-facts-not-the-jury/

[checks-n-balances]

1. Because they're more easily distracted and manipulated?

And maybe because they can only focus on individual tragedies and hardships. The struggles of faceless groups of people are apparently incomprehensible to them.

[ddeclue]

2. These are the same people who burned witches in the middle ages..

this trial has been about calling Casey Anthony a whore - it has been about George Orwell's 5 minute hate to distract us all from the real villains in our society.

Now that the jury has upheld the law and discredited Nancy Grace (yet again) her head is stuck in permanent exploding mode.

Hey Nancy we have trials for reason: to try facts and determine guilt or not guilt. If they were always guilty we could just have you sentence them directly on your stupid TV show and skip the whole expensive and difficult trial thing.

[housewolf]

3. They are always out for blood

They seem to have a blood-lust and love punishment, whether it's deserved or not.

[juajen]

4. Really? She should have been convicted based on the "preponderance

of the evidence". She admitted she knew the child was dead and made up a ridiculous story about her drowning. If the child had died accidentally, why didn't she call 911? I am amazed at people who just don't understand trials and the bs that's thrown by this defense lawyer was unconscionable. I don't understand how they could not find her guilty. She will be paid a lot of money for writing a book about how she got away with murder and I hope it is all taken away by lawsuits, and, I am NOT republican.

[ddeclue]

6. Motive means opportunity.

The prosecution proved none of these. Read my other post.

[The Magistrate]

7. You Cannot Convict In Criminal Trial On 'Preponderance Of The Evidenced', Ma'am

The standard is 'beyond reasonable doubt' in criminal trials.

[SwampG8r]

33. sir,are you certain?

wapner always uses a preponderence.
no just kidding you are indeed correct
wapner was one of the manson judges if i remember that cluster ....

[Morning Dew]

34. Rusty Burrell (the bailiff) was a bailiff at the Manson trial, n/m

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. The case was not proven

is this so hard to understand?

[jmowreader]

12. "Preponderance of the evidence" only works in civil suits

Quick example: the OJ trial. He was acquitted in the criminal trial because the chain of custody on all the evidence was so unbelievably FUCKED no one could prove beyond a reasonable doubt he did it. (Which explains two things: his "not guilty" verdict and the three-hour deliberation..."guys, we've just thrown out all the state's evidence; we can't convict someone just because Marcia Clark said 'he's guilty as shit; we all know that.'") But by the preponderance of the evidence, which is the standard in civil cases, he could be and was found liable.

[hifiguy]

20. Preponderance of the evidence

amounts to 50% + 1 atom - just enough to tilt the scales off of dead center.

Beyond a reasonable doubt translates to 95%+ sure that the defendant is guilty.

And to an up-thread poster, a defense attorney is required to prove NOTHING in a criminal case. Nada. Zip. El Zilcho.

[Kennah]

14. In civil court, a preponderance is enough. In criminal court, it's beyond a reasonable doubt.

[WingDinger]

47. I dont understand knowitalls thinking viewing a court pastel drawing, tells them ANYTHING.

[WolverineDG]

52. Someone needs to crack open a civics text book

& brush up on the judicial system.

dg

[dixiegrrrrl]

78. Legally, there was no proof tying her to the killing of the child.

Sad and tragic, but true. By the legal standard of the charges filed, there was no proof.
The jury HAD to follow the law concerning the charges, HAD to find her not guilty.
If the jury had found her guilty, there would have been an automatic appeal, and another trial, but no further evidence was available, so what would have been the point?

The prosecutor could not even prove how the child died.
In his closing arguments he said (without any proof during the trial) the child had been smothered by duct tape.
But he also said during the trial the child had been overdosed with
chloroform, and possible had drowned.

Again, sad, tragic, but no legal evidence.

Did the prosecutor "over-charge"...probably. Many people are saying he did.

There is no law in Fla. for not reporting a missing child.
A Fla. legislator has introduced such a law now.

What our common sense tells us and what the legal standard is are 2 different things. Unfortunately, at times.

[Mimosa]

84. There's nobody like the Goldman family to go after KC Anthony

Her mother Cindy did all she could (like LYING!) to help darling sociopath Casey get away with murder.

[Union Scribe]

5. I can be pissed at both the innocent in jail AND the guilty walking free

without being a Republican. Thanks for your concern, though.

[Kennah]

15. It used to be said ...

... better that a 1,000 guilty men go free than even one innocent man sitting in jail.

[Union Scribe]

18. Except that both of those things happen all the time.

It's a stupid saying. The guilty do go free and the innocent do sit in jail.

[RegieRocker]

24. Like "All men are created equal"?

[Union Scribe]

31. Pretty much.

A nice sentiment completely contradicted by reality.

[Kennah]

30. It serves as a reminder why we have protections for the accused

The system is weighted in favor of the accused and for good reason.

Whenever we have innocent people in jail, it's the wake up call that problems have to be fixed.

Multiple the outrage times 1000 that was expressed over the Casey Anthony verdict. Where is that counter outrage over just one innocent person in jail.

[Union Scribe]

32. Protections which, many times, don't work.

Like I said, it's a nice sentiment contradicted by the system's reality. And the lack of outrage over innocent people in jail hardly makes Casey Anthony's acquittal some kind of victory for justice.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

8. They don't care about The Innocence Project and Barry Scheck.

Because the innocence project is about freeing railroaded blacks and hispanics.

In Texas they elected a black D.A. in Dallas (home of the famous Henry Wade, bastard of Roe v. Wade)
and they are reopening old cases and testing DNA and such. That's why lots of people are being freed in Dallas.

Seems that in Harris County (Houston) they throw away evidence sooner than Dallas does. But in the Medical Examiner's office in Houston, a white woman doctor whistleblower was fired and sued the County. She was reporting dead bodies stacked one upon another, to the health department and D.A., and was fired. The boss was a black female doctor who did not want her incompetencies in running the office to be exposed.


Yes, the burden of proof is beyond a reasonable doubt in criminal cases, and the state did not prove that.

I am a lawyer but I do not practice, nor do I play one on TV, unlike Shatner and Spader. :D

[RegieRocker]

23. You're one who understands.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

29. I was a court reporter for twenty yrs. Drove me nuts.

The stress was unbelievable. I was burned out by the time I was 35. Even on a day when nobody got mad at me, I would come home and cry.

Sometimes a nasty judge or lawyer would get mad at me for no reason. Some of them have anger problems and take it out on the wrong person.

Before that I was a legal secretary for my dad who was a lawyer. I typed pleadings, wills, deeds and such.

Working in court and having to get every word down correctly is stressful. Judges and lawyers are so impatient they do not want to give you ten seconds to get a pen out and write down the witness' name on your info sheet.

I had to ask witnesses to stop mumbling, spell their names, spell words, ask lawyers and hostile witnesses to slow down and stop talking over each other. I also had to beg a judge for a lunch break so I could eat. He backed down when I told him my doctor's name and phone number. That judge literally worked his regular court reporter to death.

I got my court reporting license at 22 after getting an associate's degree in it. Went back and finished my BA in Biology and worked at the courthouse full time, cranking out transcripts and went to law school at night for five years and got a Juris Doctor. Didn't pass the bar.

thought all that education would get me a good job. I was wrong.

Have you ever wondered why Charles Dickens' novels are so full of detail and realism? He was a court reporter writing Pitman shorthand with a pen, in the English courts, and so he observed all sorts of people. that means he was also nuts......

[Maraya1969]

9. It is devious means of creating excitement. People's lives get boring

and tuning into a trial like this gives them the excuse for the anger they really want to express about their own lives and the drama that gives their lives excitement.

It is like going on roller coasters or bungee jumping. People get their stimulation in different ways. And I believe that being able to have a scapegoat is enticing because so many people feel shitty about themselves and need to point the finger to feel superior when they are really just trying to feel good about themselves. I think it is the same with homophobes, at least the ones who are not afraid of their own feelings, it is easy to point the finger at a "sin" that you know is not one of yours. Then you don't have to look at your own failings or do anything to try and fix them.

That is just the way I see it.

[gratuitous]

19. The excitement/distraction thing, and . . .

It also subtly buttresses the argument against following the Constitution in regard to all the "terrorists" we're currently holding at Guantanamo and in other lesser-known facilities around the globe. Pesky annoyances like evidence and proof might just spring some of the "worst of the worst" when it turns out that we've held some of these people incommunicado for years for no reason. And there used to be a time when the United States was against that sort of thing, more's the pity.

[Warren DeMontague]

10. They should be ecstatic, it's another open cell to toss a chemo-sick cancer granny in

for smoking a joint. :eyes:

[RegieRocker]

25. So insane and ludicrous it's almost funny, sad because it's true.

[Quantess]

13. FYI, it isn't just repukes who are uneasy or dissatisfied with the verdict.

She really should have been found guilty, I say. A lot of people think it was the wrong verdict, not just republicans.

[NotThisTime]

22. +10000

[RegieRocker]

65. But are they loopy over it?

[cherokeeprogressive]

93. Define "loopy".

And I would guess that no matter the definition you choose, the answer is yes, some are.

[divvy]

16. Because the KKK is the jury outside the legal system.

If the Sheriff wants to end your life, he just phones in a request for a posse at KKK headquarters, and they assemble a lynch-mob. Justice has been served this way in the Bible Belt for centuries. Just think of all those tax dollars you can save.

[Posteritatis]

17. Uh, that's really not an exclusively Republican thing re: this case. (nt)

[slackmaster]

26. Obviously not.

:rofl:

[Nye Bevan]

21. Why do some people want to make everything into a republican versus democrat issue?

That case really has nothing to do with politics.

Personally I think there's about a 90% chance that she murdered her daughter. However, 90% chance is not "beyond a reasonable doubt".

[RegieRocker]

35. It's a two party country, you're either a part of one or the other. The seething

and frothing at the decision is definitely republican reaction to the verdict. The case itself didn't have anything to do with politics, the verdict reaction most certainly does. Politics permeates all.

[WatsonT]

37. Anger over the verdict doesn't really break down along party lines

It's like asking why are republicans so pissed off about traffic jams while democrats accept them passively?

Obviously that isn't the case.

Some things the two parties seem to agree on.

[RegieRocker]

41. More republicans have a obsessive anger about this verdict. Loopy.

[MikeW]

43. you have any data to back that up ... numbers statistics .. anything?

or are you pulling this verdict party thing out of your azz.

[RegieRocker]

53. You have anything to back up she was guilty?

A whole team of persecutors couldn't come up with it, are you hiding it up yours.

[pipi_k]

59. Whether or not anyone can back up their opinions that she was guilty...

has nothing whatsoever to do with the question asked, which was, do you have any numbers that prove more Republicans have obsessive anger over the "not guilty" verdict.


If you have numbers, then please share them.

If you don't have numbers, then it's pure speculation and that makes this whole topic irrelevant.

[MikeW]

74. wasnt the question i asked Regie ... dont change the subject

[RegieRocker]

76. Republicans Blame Casey Anthony Verdict on Obama, Gay Marriage, and Cuba

Read
http://theineptowl.com/2011/07/08/republicans-blame-casey-anthony-verdict-obama-gay/

Yep your right. LOL

[pipi_k]

87. WTF????? hahahahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do you know what that site is???

It's satire!!!

Holy o shit!

Your "facts" are being taken from a satirical blog?



:rofl:

[RegieRocker]

95. It was from the Inept Owl. Thought it was a fitting reply to you.

[WatsonT]

45. A fine theory and all

but you need facts to support it.

And the "facts" you have I presume are that you have defined everyone who is obsessed over this as a republican, therefore everyone obsessed over it is a republican!

That is a circular argument.

[RegieRocker]

51. And the difference in you knowing that she was guilty is?

[WatsonT]

56. Based on the evidence presented

a normal mother wouldn't "forget" to tell the cops that her kid had gone missing, go party, and when interviewed by the police lie repeatedly about the details.

Maybe she didn't do it, perhaps she was just grossly negligent. But she certainly had some hand in the death and a big part in the coverup.

[RegieRocker]

55. Do you always talk in circles?

Do you not comprehend? Everyone that is loopy about it is rethug. With a few scant exceptions like someones boyfriend.

[WatsonT]

57. Examples

cite evidence that one political party feels one way about the verdict while the other major party feels a different way.


You do know statements do not become true through repetition?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_by_assertion

[RegieRocker]

64. You do know "why are rethugs so loopy about the Casey Anthony trial"

Doesn't state that others were not upset, they just weren't loopy about it like the rethugs. Obviously not.

[MikeW]

75. really Regie ... how do you know ALL those people outside of the courthouse were Republicans?

Data?

Voter information?

You got anything at all?


I think not.

[RegieRocker]

77. I said those that were loopy over it are rethugs.

Stay on target.

[pipi_k]

83. How do you know WHAT they were?

Republicans, Repubs, Repigs, Rethugs...

who gives a rat's ass what they're called?


How do you know what political party they belong to?

[RegieRocker]

91. Common sense

[WatsonT]

79. Define loopy

then prove that those who were "loopy" were "rethugs".


You can't just make claims and have them be true by virtue of having repeated them often enough.

Consider: if someone were to say that the only people really upset by child molesters being sent to jail are democrats and by proof they state that "well ok some others maybe are upset that we arrest child molesters but the only ones *really* mad about it are democrats, obviously" would you take that at face value?

[RegieRocker]

90. Look it up. Are you too lazy to do so?

[WatsonT]

92. A) you made the claim, the burden of proof is on you,

B) that is a cop out answer and you know it.
C) I doubt such data exists to be looked up.

[Mimosa]

85. Bigtime BS!

My friends who are most angry are staunch longtime Democratic women.

[Broderick]

58. +1

You said it.

[NightWatcher]

27. um a lot of the people here were loopy about the case

demanding Casey's Laws be passed as knee jerk reactions and calling for retrials on Facebook.

[RegieRocker]

36. Yep

[MicaelS]

28. Because many Americans

(not just Repugs) get really wound up about mothers killing their children, that's why.

Killing chilkdren in this country is viewed as just about the most heinous crime that there is. Even in fiction.

Think about this for a minute.

With all the explicit violence in American films, how many films can you think of that show a small child (not a teenager) actually getting murdered on camera?

[Pat Riot]

38. Been thinking about this for a while

When Obama won the election, Fox, not being able to stomach anything but the most minimal coverage of their side losing, turned to stories like this. Its viewers latched on; it was something to focus on other than jubilant Democrats crowing victory. Then, since news on TV is more about ratings than journalism, real reporting of a wide variety of important things going on in the world, CNN and others followed suit.

I had some conservative people in my life I just wanted to shake and scream at: "Do you know how many missing people there are? And not all are cute, middle-to-upper class white girls. This is just a diversion - there's lots of real news going on that's not being reported while this latest obsession takes over the media 24/7!"

But I've been working on my anger management techniques so I didn't shake or scream at anybody. Wouldn't have helped anyway. I'm glad this post was put up so I could more appropriately vent my feelings on the subject.

[RegieRocker]

39. Well stated.

[trayfoot]

40. Sorry, I'm not a reTHUG,

BUT.....I feel the state proved its case against her and the jury was wrong.

[RegieRocker]

42. Are you obsessed with it? Do you find yourself at the courthouse steps

waiting for the verdict? Do you want her to be tried twice? Have you let go?

[trayfoot]

48. No, I'm not on the

courthouse steps or protesting in any way but this. It is what it is - a malfunction of the criminal justice system (just like in the OJ verdict). Just because I am a dem does not mean I have lost my critical thinking skills! To listen to some of these jurors, they probably would not have convicted if they had a video of the entire crime!

[Fla_Democrat]

49. Well, I haven't tried to kill someone

who I think looks like her........


http://www.newson6.com/story/15084225/woman-mistaken-for-casey-anthony-attacked

CHOUTEAU, Oklahoma -- An Oklahoma woman believes outrage over the Florida murder case almost cost her her life. The 26-year-old says a crazed woman tried to kill her because the woman thought she was Casey Anthony.


Blackwell drove a few miles and says Nalley suddenly rammed her van into the back of Blackwell's truck.


"She hit me again, causing my vehicle to flip two and a half times, landing on the driver's side, and I just laid there playing dead," she said.





It's obvious, the suspect was a rethug.. right? :shrug:

[RegieRocker]

50. The mental behavior fits, yes.

[pipi_k]

60. And you, of course...

have conducted a thorough survey of those people on the courthouse steps and discovered that the majority of them are Republicans.

Not only that, but you are also assuming that anyone waiting on the courthouse steps is "obsessed". Not just interested...but obsessed.

One note of interest, though...

This topic didn't need to be brought up. So I'm thinking that the "obsession" with this case might not be just be on the part of the Republicans, if you know what I mean.

[RegieRocker]

63. Now that truly is a circular and worthless argument.

[pipi_k]

69. And a one line "zinger"

is absolutely useless as valid counterpoint to someone else's argument.

Please expand upon exactly WHAT is "circular and worthless" and WHY.


Thanks

[RegieRocker]

72. You insinuate I'm obsessed with other peoples obsession.

lol. Maybe your obsessed with my obsession with other peoples obsession. This needed to be brought up due to the fact there are thousands more who have suffered or died because of our laws and legal system. I never will understand the obsession (loopiness) with this case.

[pipi_k]

82. Actually...

yes.

I think there's something a little disturbing about someone bringing up a whole topic that appeared to have been forgotten, and which died a welcome death, only to accuse others of being "obsessed" with the subject of said topic.

People here moved on, you know?

The trial is over and done, Casey Anthony is being released sometime tomorrow, and it's on to the next thing because very few people here care anymore.



Obsessed? who knows...

Strange? you bet.

[MikeW]

44. i agree

this case was no justice to the little girl.

Casey obviously was telling lie after lie ... please "Zanny the Nanny" took her? Yea ok any sane adult wouldnt believe that one.

Oh wait then she was abused ... yea by the brother and father. Ok yea, just happened to come up now.

And

personally I think it was a MISTAKE NOT to prosecute the mother for perjury, she obviously lied her azz off about
the computer searches she supposedly did at home when it was proven she was logged in and working at work.

[Codeine]

46. It's absurd to believe there's a party-line component to the reaction

to the verdict. My very liberal fiancee was quite angry, for example, while my Republican boss didn't much give a shit. All it did for me was reinforce my belief that attorneys are quite skilled at stacking juries with idiots and mouthbreathers.

[RegieRocker]

54. Boy friend and Boss yep that says it all. Must be true. I on the other hand

have been watching numerous flashes on TV about people complaing about the verdict and it's most popular on the right wing shows and the people are absolutely loopy. Is your boyfriend loopy?

[pipi_k]

61. Whoa...

You're watching RW shows?

?????




Here's a clue for ya...

Maybe the RW shows are more obsessed with it than the LW shows are and they're getting responses from the RW nuts who watch those shows. It doesn't mean MORE Republicans are obsessed. It only means that more Republicans are responding to the RW shows polls or whatever they're doing.

[RegieRocker]

62. Watch them? No. See snippets yes. Change channel again quickly? Yes

I tried the keep the enemy closer thing and I'm no good at it.

[pipi_k]

68. Hah...

It's got to be more than just "snippets", judging from the amount of information you seem to have on the whole issue.

;)




PS...and no reply to my statement about how strange it looks for someone to bring up the whole topic which had pretty much died here in order to accuse Republicans of being "obsessed"?

;) ;)

[RegieRocker]

73. And you don't think they are obsessed? Either I have information or i

don't which is it? It has been purely observational. Consider it a eye witness testimony of the loopiness. So you think a person who accuses rethugs of being crazy a right winger? This topic gets more humorous by the minute. Thanks for the laugh.

[pipi_k]

81. I guess I'm not making myself clear enough

A person claims to know what's going on at Fox News (or some other conservative source)...enough to assert without a doubt that the people over there are absolutely obsessed. "Loopy".

But said person claims he is only seeing "snippets" of what's going on.

Not sure what length of time "snippets" takes up...how long is a "snippet"? Two seconds? Ten seconds? Three minutes?

Whatever a "snippet" is, I doubt it's long enough to get a full and complete picture of what's going on over there.

It's like seeing five maple trees in a forest and then claiming the entire forest is made up of maples.


Also...some Democrats say they like to keep tabs on what "the enemy" is doing by monitoring Freeper sites or Fox News. Which is fine by me. I don't care what they do. But what makes you so sure that they are any more sane than the people they're monitoring?

There are just as many batshit crazy Democrats, I hate to tell you. Some that I've known would have made the crazier Republicans look good.

[ScreamingMeemie]

66. Agreed. I have seen people from both sides get really , super emotional

and ridiculous over this. It's a shame when you think of all the other, less cute, missing people in the country.

[RegieRocker]

70. Democrats don't get loopy. Yes, that is the point.

[pipi_k]

71. Bullshit.

Democrats certainly DO get "loopy".

About lots of things.

Anyone who has spent more than a week here can see that for himself.


sigh...

:eyes:

[Mimosa]

86. Double BS! I second Pipi_K! n/t

[ScreamingMeemie]

89. Are you kidding?

Some of the loopiest people on earth reside right here, in these "hallowed" internet halls.

[RegieRocker]

67. Unfortunately I do not find it amazing that others have stated that

some in our party are loopy like the rethugs. I however do not believe this. Upset maybe, but not loopy. I offer those my sincere apologies for these accusations from others about you. I feel democrats tend to be level headed unlike the rethugs. I have seen the rethugs get loopy over many things especially to the point of "throwing the baby out with the bath water “.

[XanaDUer]

80. I know some pissed liberals

AND some pissed apoliticals.

[lib2DaBone]

88. Casey Anthony is about pandering and throwing red meat to the R/W Base...

.. they could care less about the welfare of young children.

Republicians have ALWAYS voted against food stamps and basic survival for mothers and infants. Yet they will Rally against family planning until hell freezes over.

Republicians are hate-filled people who have been so manipulated by emotional non-issues, that they can not even deomonstrate the day to day parenting skills needed in this country.

[roody]

94. They are obeying their televisions.