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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 11:06 AM
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So How Did We Get Such A Huge Deficit?
Edited on Thu Jul-14-11 11:10 AM by JDPriestly
Was it the food stamps? The cost of Medicare or Social Security? Where did our money go?

Does the name "Halliburton" ring a bell?

Not all, but quite a bit of our money went there.

Check out the Halliburton Watch site. It's old news, but a lot of us have forgotten.

http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/news/pref_treat.html

And if you want more, just google Halliburton and defense contracts, Halliburton and asbestos, Halliburton and Nigeria. Scandal after scandal.

Remember how Arthur Anderson advised Enron on accounting tricks?

Well, Arthur Andersen also advised Halliburton, and of course Halliburton used tax havens to great advantage.

http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/about_hal/cheneyandersen.html

Halliburton is just one example of how graft and corruption contributed to our deficit. But reviewing the Halliburton story helps keep our current deficits in perspective.

D.C. politicians and the media are selling us the myth that we are not smart enough or cheap enough or hardworking enough to compete in their global economy.

That is a lie.

The truth is that the fruits, the profits earned from our intelligence, education, hard work and resources have been stolen. Our national downfall is the result of the graft and corruption of our "leadership," not our unwillingness to sacrifice or work hard.

If we want to recover from this recession and prevent the impoverishment and ultimate destruction of our country, we have to find leaders who are honest and who will fearlessly prosecute fraud, corruption and theft even if they must indict their own friends, donors and appointees.

This movement toward clean government has to come from us. We have to demand it.

Most of our "leaders" are too corrupt or too frightened or too comfortable to enforce existing laws against the powerful at this point.

We must not let partisanship or loyalty to particular individual leaders get in the way of our objectivity in judging the honesty and trustworthiness of those we vote for. We have to assess our leaders by their work, by their appointments, by their actions, and not by their speeches.

Every time we vote for a candidate simply because we fear the alternative would be worse, we contribute to the sense of futility that silences those rare leaders who have the courage to speak out against and fight corruption.

I'm not saying that we should demand perfection. But we owe it to our children to demand decency, integrity and strength from those for whom we vote. For their sakes, we have to clean up our government.

When we support a leader who appoints to high positions people who are allied or close to corrupt businesses or individuals, when we vote for a leader who fails to enforce and strengthen laws against corruption, we contribute to the corruption ourselves.

Our country is in crisis. In 2012, we have to find fearless, honest leadership. We need someone who will appoint honest lawyers to our Justice Department, individuals who will seek out and prosecute corruption and crime regardless of how important the suspect is. We cannot settle for less this time.

It is simply astounding that the Obama administration has not acted more resolutely against the corruption of the preceding administrations.

I can only think of three reasons for that (although there may be more). 1) the Obama administration fears that they could be prosecuted for corruption after they leave (which suggests they are tolerating corruption in their ranks); 2) the Obama administration thinks that Americans are so ignorant about the corruption that prosecutions would be viewed simply as a political ploy; 3) the Obama administration is afraid to confront the powerful criminals that preceded them.

Obama needs to tell us honestly why he has not adequately pursued the crimes and corruption that led to our current financial predicament. If he can't just come forward with the truth, how can he expect us to trust him or vote for him?

The extent of the corruption in several preceding administrations --remember Iran/Contra is just astounding. And as time has past, our country has become less and less willing to prosecute the wrongdoers.

A test for the Obama administration will be its response to the expected effort by Rupert Murdoch to repeal or amend the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act. Inform yourselves about this law. It protects us and our businesses from extortion abroad. The Foreign Corrupt Practices Act should be more strictly enforced, not abandoned. Anyone who votes to weaken or abolish it should be suspected of corruption.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 11:17 AM
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1. Halliburton is responsible for our deficit? Lol.
No it was George Bush and his stupid tax cuts.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 11:21 AM
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2. The Hailburton connection is a big one in the war costs under Junior. n/t
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 11:25 AM
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3. Their entire revenue in 2008 was $18 billion and mostly they are an oil services co.
That's not much compared to our deficit. The Bush cuts are calculated as costing us 4 trillion going forward. I submit the Bush cuts are much more significant than Halliburton.
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MrDiaz Donating Member (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 12:13 PM
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8. Aren't they the
OBAMA TAX CUTS now? Because they were expiring and he signed them back into law? Or are we supposed to look past that?
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 12:21 PM
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11. Exactly. I'm saying we have to call out corruption regardless
of the party. And we have to demand that our leaders end the corrupt culture in D.C.

Obama promised to end it, but he hasn't done anything about it. He even retained many of the Bush attorneys who failed to prosecute the corruption of their own party and mostly just prosecuted corruption on the part of Democrats.

We have to focus more on rooting out corruption than on the personalities of would-be leaders.

That's the only way that we can get sane and fair fiscal policy.

If you party away all your income, if you have to pay off everyone in the world, just to keep going, then no matter how hard you work or how much you earn, you will end up poor.
And that is what is happening to our country. Our leaders party and pay off people (or take pay-offs), so there is never enough money.

The tax cuts for the rich are a big part of the corruption.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 04:39 PM
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15. They made sense considering where we were.
But we need to get rid of them soon.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 12:16 PM
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9. But Halliburton is just one part of the corruption that they represent.
It's the corruption that is the problem.

It's the corruption that funds the tax loopholes, the tax cuts, the cost-plus military contracts (which are also not always necessarily bad but symbolize the overwhelming nad costly corruption), the kick-backs, the laws written by corporations, the weak regulators, just a long list of corrupt activities at the heart of our government no matter who is in power.

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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 12:13 PM
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7. The point is that it is the corruption.
The tax cuts are part of the corruption.

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The Big Vetolski Donating Member (436 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 09:30 PM
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16. And the difference between Bush/Cheney and Halliburton is...? nt
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 07:24 AM
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18. There is no difference and that's the point....nt
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 11:30 AM
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4. Here's part of one major reason.

http://costofwar.com/en/

More can be found in the bottomless, useless, pit of the Pentagon.
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 11:32 AM
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5. The country elected "fiscally conservative" Republicans - that's how.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 12:17 PM
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10. But the corruption that was and followed the BP spill
was not due to fiscally conservative Republicans -- and the Coast Guard ran up quite a bill thanks to BP. Will taxpayers be repaid by those who profited? I haven't heard that we will.
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okasha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 11:36 AM
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6. Easy.
Bush tax cuts + Bush wars + Obama tax cuts + Obama wars = Reduced revenue + Increased spending
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 12:25 PM
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12. 10 years of war
Plus huge tax cuts to the wealthiest, wh in turn outsourced all the jobs overseas, leaving the middle class broke and thus, no place left to balance the checkbook.
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checks-n-balances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 12:45 PM
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13. And under GWB, the wars were not included in the budget
Now that they are under BHO, it looks like he started them. I wish he'd end them, but at least his admin. is honest enough to let the public know they have to be paid for.
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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 12:46 PM
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14. The Deficit is caused by the recession, rising health care costs, etc.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 07:26 AM
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19. But mostly the tax cuts and wars. nt
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 07:23 AM
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17. Kicked and recommended!
Fantastic!

"I can only think of three reasons for that (although there may be more). 1) the Obama administration fears that they could be prosecuted for corruption after they leave (which suggests they are tolerating corruption in their ranks); 2) the Obama administration thinks that Americans are so ignorant about the corruption that prosecutions would be viewed simply as a political ploy; 3) the Obama administration is afraid to confront the powerful criminals that preceded them."

I can think of fourth explanation but DU would be an inappropriate place to discuss this.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 07:41 AM
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20. War mongering, tax cuts for our wealthiest (including corps. and capital gains) nt
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