sarah herself called them 'bullseyes'

[spanone]

her spokesperson is a liar

[mrcheerful]

1. Those are not bulls eyes those are what you see when your using a scope on a target

[FarPoint]

7. cross-hairs..

In the March 25, 2010 MSNBC interview by Congresswoman Giffords, she even identified the Palin Target list... map marks as "cross-hairs"...as in the gun's scope.

[Angry Dragon]

2. good catch

[elleng]

3. I wish we wouldn't misconstrue all this; results in more and more intemperance.

Targetting the SEATS, not the individuals.

As Prez O said, 'punish our enemies' in a certain context sounds 'bad,' and targetting sounds bad unless we recognize its not literally meant as targetting people, but congressional seats.

We can ratchet this up up up up to a revolutionary degree; I wish we wouldn't, don't think its necessary, and in fact think its seriously damaging to everyone's future.

Its POLITICAL RHETORIC!

[tabasco]

8. This is why you are here.

To spout puke talking points?

[elleng]

11. Try pepto bismol if you can't tolerate reason and truth,

or nor, if you just want to inflame, TABASCO.

[progressivebydesign]

9. thank you Sarah Palin. sheesh. n/t

[xiamiam]

10. is this? from the man she supported?

http://land-of-enchantment.dailykos.com/

[jberryhill]

12. What's damaging is to continue to tolerate it

It does not damage anyone's future to suggest that "don't retreat, reload" is not an acceptable piece of political rhetoric.

[elleng]

15. I agree, and counter it with reasoned rhetoric,

and accept genuine apologies, when offered.

[jberryhill]

37. There is no "reasoned" response to a threat

It needs to be called out and condemned for what it is.

There is not a "reasoned" reply to "if ballots won't work, bullets will".

[elleng]

38. By 'reasoned' I mean condemn using 'civil' words, not f***' +

'I'll get you back too.'

[spanone]

14. then why did her spokesperson call them 'surveying symbols'?

responding to the killings? they are tapdancing on a pinhead

[DainBramaged]

30. ENOUGH

god damn it enough

[AlabamaLibrul]

35. Most people don't target House seats with rifle scopes

Even more don't take it upon themselves to shoot the Representative shown TARGETED WITH A RIFLE SCOPE BY SARAH PALIN in the face!

:wtf: :puke:

[cbdo2007]

4. In May she acknowledged the "gun references" but said they were a metaphor for their votes.

http://chattahbox.com/us/2010/03/27/palin-controversy-over-dem-hit-list-map-ginned-up-by-lamestream-media/

"But during her stump speech for Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), she blamed the controversy over her use of gun imagery on the media. “We know violence isn’t the answer,” Palin said before a group of about two thousand people. “When we take up our arms, we’re talking about our vote. This B.S. coming from the lamestream media lately about us inciting violence, don’t let the conversation be subverted, don’t let a conversation like that get you off track.”

She knew it was about guns and is admitting so here. Yes it is her fault if her followers are to stupid to figure out the metaphor, especially when it isn't presented as a metaphor.

[lonestarnot]

5. And McMoose Killer is a metaphor for dat ting too.

[elleng]

13. ...

:thumbsup:

[nuxvomica]

Her followers don't do "metaphor" anyway

These are the same crowd that think the Bible is literal history. And she knows that.

[CreekDog]

19. good point

:hi:

[spanone]

18. it appears the 'lamestream media' was correct about inciting violence

[nolabear]

6. There's a psychological theory of superego development, what governs a sense of responsibility

and morality. This is an example of the level of development of a kid under the age of seven or so, whose fear of getting punished by someone from the outside is the main driving force, rather than a sense that something is intrinsically right and wrong. A kid at that stage will lie, will actually believe their imaginary friend did it, will reinvent history, will think magic can make it unhappen, etc. In an adult or in a societal norm it's sociopathy.

[elleng]

17. Yes, I think many of them are 'sociopaths,' and this scares the heck out of me.

[woo me with science]

16. They are crosshairs. Even the DLC has used bullseye targets before:

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=253055&kaid=127&subid=171

[JoePhilly]

20. So the Dems wanted to target STATES, not individuals, BY NAME

as Sarah did. You miss that?

She put cross-hairs on their district, and then provided their names. Sarah made it personal.

[Cid_B]

21. It's a reach...

[woo me with science]

23. Democratic ad put crosshairs on J. D. Hayworth:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqB4tyvxWKA

That was personal.

[JoePhilly]

25. And just as wrong, you agree?

By the way, how is JD Hayworth doing?? He ok?

[woo me with science]

26. It's bad WHOEVER DOES IT.

That was exactly my point.

[ProSense]

27. The ad is about him being the focus of an investigation.

What the hell does that have to do with hateful rhetoric?

[woo me with science]

28. Yeah, the "focus."

That's just what Palin said, right? We never meant them to be crosshairs.

[ProSense]

31. What does being the focus of an investigation have to do with hateful rhetoric

You're trying to excuse a pattern of hateful rhetoric with an ad about an investigation.

[woo me with science]

33. No, it is about the metaphors and the language and the imagery you choose.

The chart I posted with Democratic bullseyes refers to "behind enemy lines" and uses target imagery. Sarah Palin's uses gun sights.

The Hayworth ad uses crosshairs to present ominous imagery. Why use a gun sight for that ad? What possible reason is there for Sarah Palin or for Dems to use a GUN SIGHT?

Since when did states or our political opponents become "enemies"?

[ProSense]

34. And that ad is about none of that in the context of this discussion.

A single ad about an investigation unconnected to anything else is not relevant to this discussion.

[woo me with science]

36. Sigh.

Good luck to you.

[Boudica the Lyoness]

22. When the DLC targets, it means

that the targeted districts get more help, money etc. If you are a candidate running in a un-targeted district, you usually don't get DCCC and DLC help. You are pretty much on your own.

Nobody in our party talks about re-loading, exercising second amendment rights, cross hairs and all that other republican/teabag shit.

[JoePhilly]

24. watering the tree of liberty ... bringing weapons to political events ...

threatening to use bullets if ballots don't work ... inviting your supporters to join you to target your opponent by joining an event to shoot M16s (which Giffords Tea Party opponent did in the most recent election).

[cbdo2007]

29. Another instance of her using guns and violence.....

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=10234236

Palin Steps up Rhetoric Against Her Detractors
The Associated Press
JUNEAU, Alaska March 29, 2010 (AP)

"The former basketball player then stepped some of the rhetoric she has employed recently to describe her dislike of the Democrat-backed health overhaul.

She wrote about using "strong weapons" and "big guns" to drive to the basket. She urged teams to "shoot with accuracy; aim high and remember it takes blood, sweat and tears to win." She says "bombing through the press" is part of what teams must do to help reach their goals.

"To the teams that desire making it this far next year: Gear up! In the battle, set your sights on next season's targets! From the shot across the bow — the first second's tip-off — your leaders will be in the enemy's crosshairs, so you must execute strong defensive tactics," she wrote. "You won't win only playing defense, so get on offense!"

"If the other side tries to push back," she added later, "your attitude should be 'go for it.' Get in their faces and argue with them."

[bigpenguin]

32. This also

is disgusting in the fact that I never wanted to see the words "Palin" and "taint" in the same post.