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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 03:06 PM Original message |
Why Capitalism is going to fail and take us with it if we aren't careful. |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 03:14 PM Response to Original message |
1. Capitalism has already failed...it died with TARP |
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david_vincent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 03:20 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Bingo -- |
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Hubert Flottz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 03:34 PM Response to Reply #4 |
13. Cronyism... |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 03:31 PM Response to Reply #1 |
9. Excactly. What we have now is Crony Corporatism |
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 11:22 PM Response to Reply #9 |
116. The concern of capitalism: RETURN on capital-not making better mousetraps, miracle cures, flyingcars |
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TBMASE (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 03:18 PM Response to Original message |
2. The question is, if it fails, what will replace it? |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 03:23 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. The most pure form of capitalism is laissez faire. |
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TBMASE (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 03:30 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Wealth is done being built? LOL! We dont' have a caste system |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 03:37 PM Response to Reply #8 |
16. Go take a history class or econmic theory class. |
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TBMASE (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 03:50 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. Have it your way |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 03:51 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Capitalism as a system did not exist until the Industrial Revolution. |
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TBMASE (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 03:53 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. if you want to make believe capitalism as a system didn't exist |
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TBMASE (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 04:03 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. Delete |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 04:05 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. Ask a historian when capitalism first came into existence. |
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TBMASE (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 04:08 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. I gave you the name of a book with writings the pre-date the industrial revolution |
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bigmonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 06:34 PM Response to Reply #23 |
54. You are confusing capitalism with commerce. |
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TBMASE (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 08:00 PM Response to Reply #54 |
59. Actually, I'm not |
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bigmonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 11:29 PM Response to Reply #59 |
65. The "naturalism" of capitalism is a false assertion. |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 12:48 AM Response to Reply #65 |
69. Beautifully summed up. |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 12:53 AM Response to Reply #65 |
70. +1 |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-11 01:45 AM Response to Reply #65 |
89. Terrible analogy. Presbyterianism is one of many variation of Christianity... |
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bigmonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-11 02:42 AM Response to Reply #89 |
93. Precisely my point. |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-11 03:19 AM Response to Reply #93 |
94. The only nerve you hit was the one that triggers eye rolling |
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bigmonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-11 09:24 AM Response to Reply #94 |
96. You can't see the difference between money, commerce, and capitalism? |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-11 02:52 PM Response to Reply #96 |
98. Where did I say all of those were the same thing? |
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bigmonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-11 05:00 PM Response to Reply #98 |
102. This side thread has wandered far from the original cry against capitalism. |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-11 10:17 PM Response to Reply #102 |
103. Here's a definition of capitalism for you: |
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bigmonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 10:15 PM Response to Reply #103 |
104. Seems simple, doesn't it? |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 11:33 PM Response to Reply #104 |
105. Of course real world problems are complex... |
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bigmonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 09:41 AM Response to Reply #105 |
106. You are carefully avoiding the issue. |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 10:18 AM Response to Reply #106 |
107. Capitalism is a description of the way people act... |
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bigmonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 09:15 PM Response to Reply #107 |
108. It does require faith. |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 07:11 AM Response to Reply #108 |
109. You're going to have to define the word "faith" now... |
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bigmonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 10:41 PM Response to Reply #109 |
115. I can't answer that last question. |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 11:45 PM Response to Reply #115 |
117. It's not "faith" to take make an educated guess from what you see... |
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bigmonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 10:53 PM Response to Reply #117 |
119. You seem upset. |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 12:11 AM Response to Reply #119 |
120. Of course I seem upset. Your little "faith" bit is snide. |
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bigmonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 11:31 PM Response to Reply #120 |
121. I wish you well. |
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BobbyBoring (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 08:42 AM Response to Reply #102 |
113. I watched Inside Job this morning |
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hifiguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-11 03:17 PM Response to Reply #65 |
99. Superbly said. nt |
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swilton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 08:43 AM Response to Reply #65 |
114. Totally agree that capitalism isn't natural |
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TBMASE (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 04:04 PM Response to Reply #22 |
29. Commerce, Culture and Liberty is a book you might want to check out |
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BOG PERSON (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 05:58 PM Response to Reply #22 |
49. that is not at all a basic fact |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 06:02 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Capitalism has its roots in the medieval merchant guilds. |
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BOG PERSON (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 06:09 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. sorry, i just saw that |
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TBMASE (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 08:03 PM Response to Reply #51 |
60. I'm sorry if you don't understand the concept of "capital" |
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indurancevile (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 11:39 PM Response to Reply #60 |
67. huh? |
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indurancevile (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 11:37 PM Response to Reply #22 |
66. I believe the origins of capitalism are commonly held to be before the industrial revolution. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 02:02 AM Response to Reply #66 |
76. I would argue that the industrial revolution was created more importantly by freedom from oppression |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 01:59 AM Response to Reply #22 |
75. Capitalism has existed as a system as far back as feudalism, imo, most certainly since mercantilism. |
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indurancevile (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 02:06 PM Response to Reply #75 |
84. The hallmark of capitalism is not the possession of capital. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-11 01:01 AM Response to Reply #84 |
86. No true Scotsman... |
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Diclotican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-11 03:45 AM Response to Reply #21 |
95. TBMASE |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 02:24 AM Response to Reply #6 |
78. The Industrial Workers of the World had a handle on it. It was the silly World Wars that screwed us. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 04:35 PM Response to Reply #2 |
35. Wow. First of all capitalism by it's very nature will eventually implode. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 04:35 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. The Revolution is Waiting. nm |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-11 02:08 AM Response to Reply #35 |
91. All the stock market does is provide liquidity to the markets and real-time information to buy/trade |
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hifiguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-11 03:22 PM Response to Reply #35 |
100. You are correct, sir. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-11 02:15 AM Response to Reply #2 |
92. There's no such animal as pure capitalism. |
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swilton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 08:30 AM Response to Reply #2 |
111. Capitalism only builds wealth for the people who are in power |
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Bonhomme Richard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 03:19 PM Response to Original message |
3. It's now, get all I can while I can. |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 04:02 PM Response to Reply #3 |
26. Wrong sub thread. |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 03:23 PM Response to Original message |
5. If the 'capitalist class' is smart enough |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 03:24 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Perhaps they are too arrognat or short-sighted to see it. |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 03:41 PM Response to Reply #7 |
18. I really doubt |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 03:46 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. How about the fact that Wall Street received billions in tax payer money |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 04:13 PM Response to Reply #20 |
32. Aren't they really |
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patrick t. cakes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 02:08 AM Response to Reply #18 |
77. I think they are educated enough to know |
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swilton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 08:37 AM Response to Reply #7 |
112. I think that they are short-sighted |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 03:34 PM Response to Reply #5 |
14. Because they ain't half as smart as they think they are. |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 04:27 PM Response to Reply #14 |
33. IF that is true |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 04:30 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. Greed and arrogance. |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 04:39 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. Isn't that what is behind the Bilderberg idea? |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 04:45 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. I don't know much about the Bilderberg group so I can't comment on them. |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 04:53 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. You should look them up then |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 04:36 PM Response to Reply #5 |
37. It has nothing to do with intellegence. It has to do with greed. They will kill the goose. nm |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 04:42 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Why would they allow their greed to kill the goose |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 04:46 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. Tell me what does your signature mean? |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 04:54 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. It is a motorcycle thing |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 04:58 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. I actually thought it might be. |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 07:48 AM Response to Reply #47 |
81. For some, riding is the greatest feeling in the world |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-11 01:14 AM Response to Reply #47 |
88. Make sure it's not a capitalist motorcycle. n/t |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 06:26 PM Response to Reply #39 |
52. Each wants more than the next. That's what greed is. There is no rationality to greed. |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 06:57 PM Response to Reply #52 |
56. OK then. That should make the takeover and |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 07:09 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. How do you propose we do that? nm |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 12:43 AM Response to Reply #56 |
68. Not to mention taking a lot fewer tumbrels. nt |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 01:50 AM Response to Reply #56 |
74. You would need a constitutional amendment to expropriate without compensation. |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 07:56 AM Response to Reply #52 |
82. The One World Government theory? |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 01:44 AM Response to Reply #5 |
73. Statistics show that wealth hoarding is not really happening. The developing world... |
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hifiguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-11 03:23 PM Response to Reply #5 |
101. Greed is not and never has been self-regulating. |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 03:32 PM Response to Original message |
10. If we aren't the ruling class why should we care? |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 03:34 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Becuase the ruling class is likely expolting you and everyone you know. |
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CaptRandom (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 03:33 PM Response to Original message |
11. we don't have capitalism... |
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cbdo2007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 03:44 PM Response to Reply #11 |
19. anti-Capitalism people here don't understand this.... |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 01:38 AM Response to Reply #19 |
72. Corporate socialism is always the result of an unregulated free market. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 06:28 PM Response to Reply #11 |
53. I am betting you made that up. nm |
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CaptRandom (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 09:11 PM Response to Reply #53 |
64. derp! n/t |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
15. Viva la revolucion!!... |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 03:37 PM Response to Original message |
17. I can't disagree with a thing....... |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
24. Agreed, except this is what capitalism looks like when it is successful. |
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toddwv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 04:00 PM Response to Original message |
25. Capitalism failed almost 100 years ago. |
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hifiguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
28. Off to the greatest page with you |
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BOG PERSON (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
40. don't you ever get tired of posting radical gibberish? |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 04:45 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Don't you ever get tired of adding nothing to discussions |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 04:49 PM Response to Original message |
44. Is there a socio-political-economic system that is sustainable? |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 02:25 AM Response to Reply #44 |
79. It's not really "We own the place" so much "we own our inferiors." |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 04:59 PM Response to Original message |
48. master of the obvious. yes, we know. |
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B Calm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 06:42 PM Response to Original message |
55. Capitalism without a sprinkle of Socialism to keep it in check is doomed for failure! |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 08:42 PM Response to Reply #55 |
62. Socialism on it's own would be a much better choice - |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 08:43 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. If only socialism were immune from cronyism. |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 08:18 AM Response to Reply #63 |
83. "Cronyism' is an effect of capitalist society. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-11 01:04 AM Response to Reply #83 |
87. No, cronyism is an effect of authoritarianism. |
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Cool Logic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 07:21 PM Response to Original message |
58. If only free-market capitalism existed in this country... |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 12:20 AM Response to Reply #58 |
118. If capitalism had to pay for it's downside then there would be no talk of it's success |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-11 08:14 PM Response to Original message |
61. Capitalism is working OK, but no thanks to the capitalists, of course. It will fail eventually... |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 01:02 AM Response to Original message |
71. What does being careful entail? |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 04:10 AM Response to Original message |
80. Damn, I *love* DU |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-11 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
85. Every human institution and system is doomed to fail at some point |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-11 01:46 AM Response to Original message |
90. Legalize corporate regulation. |
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lovuian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-11 09:27 AM Response to Original message |
97. Capitalism is a dead system ...its a Screw the worker system |
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swilton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 08:28 AM Response to Original message |
110. Capitalism |
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