Let it crash. Better than a fucking "grand deal"

[cali]

It's four in the morning. Too hot to sleep and I had a hot day's work yesterday and one coming up today, so perhaps I'm a little out of it, but when I think about this fucking debt ceiling shit and all the posturing and the President sucking up to republicans and treating progressive values and humanistic values with callous contempt. Not to mention the Repubs demanding the entire dismantling of the social safety net, and all the endless games- I throw my arms up in disgust (OK, metaphorically; it's too hot to actually do that) and say: "let it crash". Not that that will happen, but I wish it would. The death by a thousand cuts that any deal will pretty much guarantee, is just unbearable.

[Sherman A1]

1. Agreed

I think you might just be correct in your thinking.

Do your best to stay cool out there. I too, will be working in the heat all day along with a bunch of hard working truck drivers, most of whom don't have any a/c.

[KT2000]

2. feel the same n/t

[PuraVidaDreamin]

3. Plus One

Agreed. It's time. I'll be in an air conditioned OR all day listening to
a winger neurosurgeon- I'll be hot too

[KILL THE WISE ONE]

4. When I am upset over this I agree with you, but ……

When your opposition will blame this on God’s punishment for gay marriage, and their base will believe it.

Credit card rates will sore, housing market will drop. Jobs will evaporate.
There is no way to win.

Our leaders should have raised the debt limit before the 2010 election.
Our leaders should have insisted on a war tax when Bush need to finance the wars.
And the first thing that should have happened in 2008 was an honest election counting bill.

To many of us were disappointed and did not show up at the polls on the 2010 election. This further crippled our remaining elected officials.

We may have to take it in the shorts, because we (collectively) did not succeed in 2010.

Where are the protest, Wisconsin showed us how to deal with this but … we are not following their example.

Now republican's are demanding stripping the union rights from FAA employees to fund the FAA.
It just leaves me depressed.

We are loosing the class war

[OneGrassRoot]

5. "death by a thousand cuts"

Yep, that's how it feels, and it is unbearable at times. Well said.

:(

[lib2DaBone]

6. Agree. It is madening. This will be the final sell out by Obama...

I have been calling my Congressman and Senator, leaving messages and e-mail. But I know they are not listening.. they could care less.

Money talks and that is all they listen to. That and a controlled, non-functioning media.. we don't have a chance.

[FlaGranny]

7. I remember

the joy I felt when Obama won - our first black president and a Democrat too. Now I just feel sick to my stomach.

[cali]

8. Me too.

Most disappointing vote I ever cast and likely the worst one.

[woolldog]

22. +1

[rucky]

9. That's about where I'm at.

[sendero]

10. If Obama were really .

... a Democrat he'd stand up to these bullies and refuse.

But since he's actually a DINO, he will do the usual, pass this crap and then declare victory.

[Denver Progressive]

11. I'm sure there will be nothing "grand" about this deal.

:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

[Divine Discontent]

12. the crushing suffering would be too much for millions to go through, so although

I fully agree with how you feel, I sure hope that doesn't happen for all the people I know who are weak, old, and poor, or all of the above. If the president dares to dance with the devil (nutball GOP "we gotta cut spending" lunatics), then how are we to think of him as anything more than someone who is out of touch himself. He allows the GOP to tie programs and problems together, so that he has to cut deals which are not good overall, and frankly, are no better than what I'd expect Der Bushler to work out. I cannot believe we're discussing the cutting of New Deal programs under Obama.... seriously? Wake me up when it goes away!

[guitar man]

28. I'd hate to see tat kind of suffering

But I'm afraid at some point, sooner or later, we are going to go through it. the awful suffering of the Great Depression is what it took to get us the New Deal. I have been hopeful we can turn it around without going through all that again but hope for such a solution fades with each passing day. :(

[marions ghost]

13. I tend to agree...let it crash

Then they'd get together and raise it real fast. The tea party is so dumb they have to see it to believe it. So let em see what happens.

But to USE this as a way to make inroads into social programs ........:nuke: leaves me speechless

[woolldog]

25. Remember what happened to the DOW when the first vote on

TARP failed? Down 777 points. The second vote passed.

I think you're right, the DOW would crash and wall street republicans, chamber of commerce types will be leaning on the GOP really hard.

[MatthewStLouis]

14. Doesn't Obama understand that he's the President?

W threw his weight around and got everything he wanted. The President needs to say enough is enough; I don't like this deal, it's bad for the economy, it's not what the people want, raise the f___g debt ceiling (no strings attached) like you did 7 or 8 times for Bush! Jeez!!!!

[Igel]

15. In 3/2009 Obama signed a spending bill.

It increased spending by something like 8%. We think of it as Bush's budget because we like having everything during the hellishly overspent fiscal year he ushered in be credited to him.

In the case of the $400+ billion spending bill, * had issued veto threat after veto threat because it was too big, because it contained too many earmarks. The Senate simply refused to pass it and send it to his desk because, well, they didn't have enough votes to override the veto. Instead, they did what they didn't like: They passed continuing resolutions. * didn't like them, either, but they didn't increase government spending, they kept it static at the previous year's levels.

Obama said he didn't like it, either, but it was old business in a new Oval Office, and he wanted new business. It was, he said, "the end of the old ways of doing business." At least for that week.

Reid wanted the bill as it was. He got his way, *and* gets to blame * for increasing the budget under legislation that he, Reid, promoted and which Obama signed. What a guy! A veritable Ace Rimmer.

Bush wanted the bill trimmed. He didn't get his way. In fact, that 8% increase after he left office is now the baseline attributed to his last year in office and consequently is jotted down as his doing. He very much didn't get his way. He's Arnold to Reid's Ace.

Obama wanted the decks cleared for really important stuff, not fighting over earmarks and the budget. I think he got his way, but only short term. I'm not sure if he's Holly when he was new or Holly late in Red Dwarf. Or maybe somebody else.

[Fire Walk With Me]

16. You don't know how bad it can get if the republicans get their way.

They and their international money buddies are purposely working on destroying currencies and economies worldwide...the damage they can wreak is unthinkable. Starvation, martial law, mass imprisonment...and their constant laughter through it all...they must be stopped.

[Generic Other]

26. A small leap from hostile takeovers of companies to hostile takeovers of nations' treasuries

This is their modus operendi. Used to destroy rival businesses, public education, utilities, and even nations that won't toe the line.

[hifiguy]

17. Perhaps blowing it up would allow

something decent and humane to be built from the ruins. I am damned near to that point.

[LoZoccolo]

18. Congratulations, you are now an official netroots liberal.

All catastrophism, all the time.

If it's on the Internet, politics is about as real as a video game!

[whatchamacallit]

19. Self Delete

statement would have been misconstrued.

[lifesbeautifulmagic]

20. now I hearing the deal includes a "corporate tax holiday"

it was nauseating enough with the SS and Medicare "adjustments", but if it does include a "corporate tax holiday", that's it for me. Just fucking let us default, and get it over with.

[ljm2002]

21. I have to say, I did not expect you to be the person who posted this...

...but I can't disagree. It is just infuriating and disheartening, to say the very least. I go back and forth between "Try and retrieve the situation" to "Just let it burn, I don't give a damn" myself.

Death by a thousand cuts is longer and more painful than just a quick slash that puts an end to it. I don't want him to make any deals with this despicable band of Republican outlaws, but there you go: he is determined to do so.

I really don't know what to say.

[blindpig]

23. Twice in one day I agree with you.

Whose got heat delirium?

Yes, that's what should happen but you know what is coming.

[woo me with science]

24. Yes. nt

[Maven]

27. I agree. The whole system needs to be rebooted, so to speak.

[Bluerthanblue]

29. and what about those who will suffer the most and the soonest

?
It is ALWAYS the most vulnerable who suffer the most and suffer soonest in situations like this. What do you say to them?

How is this attitude anything but selfish?
How is 'let it crash' not 'callous contempt' for 'progressive and humanistic values'?

I think we're ALL sick of this shit, but "let it crash" is a pretty poor solution.

Yes, there IS 'contempt for the poor' on DU as one of your recent posts claimed, it's nothing new, and something that will probably never not exist.

"let it crash" is contempt for the 'poor' imo.
I can't join you in wishing suffering on others, no matter how frickin hot it is, or how tired I am of the games people play.

:shrug:

[CaptRandom]

31. hear hear...

Let us not wish even more suffering on those worse off, no matter how exasperated we feel.

[CaptRandom]

30. unrec, reads like a run on sentence