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David Gill (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 04:08 PM Original message |
DU has an understandable reluctance to change Social Security/Medicare, BUT: |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
1. That isn't what is happening here. No sale. |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 04:13 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. +1 |
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SharonAnn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 04:49 PM Response to Reply #1 |
30. He'd have to raise the Social Security cap and SocSec and Medicare FICA contributions |
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Chan790 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 04:58 PM Response to Reply #1 |
35. Bullseye. n/t |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 05:47 PM Response to Reply #1 |
48. No, he said that they would NOT cut benefits. |
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Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 04:11 PM Response to Original message |
2. .... |
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PA Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 04:11 PM Response to Original message |
3. I'd LOVE to see a plan that did not cut benefits. |
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David Gill (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 04:23 PM Response to Reply #3 |
14. That doesn't mean Obama can't take it to the public and PUT IT on the table |
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PA Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 04:30 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. If that is his intention, what's he waiting for? |
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David Gill (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 04:39 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. Maybe a Democratic party that would have his back |
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PA Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 04:43 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Care to cite a poll? Because that sounds like total BS to me. |
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David Gill (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 05:02 PM Response to Reply #25 |
38. You don't remember hearing about the bundlers vowing not to help Obama if he changes SS or Medicare? |
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PA Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 05:30 PM Response to Reply #38 |
44. Keep trying. The threat was over CUTS not "changes". |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 04:46 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. Bullshit. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 04:51 PM Response to Reply #24 |
32. What does SS have to do with the Deficit?? |
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David Gill (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 05:01 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. Actually if you read the article, most of the changes I suggest for Social Security increase revenue |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 05:32 PM Response to Reply #36 |
45. Yes, but that doesn't explain why something that is completely |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 05:46 PM Response to Reply #32 |
47. Deficit or no deficit |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 05:54 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. Here we go again. Tell me, what about China?? |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:06 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. Possibly |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 08:36 PM Response to Reply #54 |
66. Why are you focusing on SS to get money from to |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 02:20 PM Response to Reply #66 |
74. I've not mixed up the two |
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dawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 04:12 PM Response to Original message |
4. You can only do that by repealing the laws |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 04:15 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. Yup. Add to that the tax hikes they will need to take care of our current spending and wars... |
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David Gill (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 04:21 PM Response to Reply #4 |
12. You don't think the government could negotiate better rates with hospitals and pharmaceutical |
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dawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 04:25 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. Oh, I'm sorry I was totally zeroed in on Social Security. |
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David Gill (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 04:47 PM Response to Reply #16 |
29. Yes. I DO suggest somewhat of a "benefit cut" in SS, but a progressive one, that increases the % |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 05:52 PM Response to Reply #29 |
50. How about fixing the formula for the maximum benefit? |
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David Gill (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 04:32 PM Response to Reply #4 |
20. We can stop overpaying doctors, hospitals, and pharmaceutical companies |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:23 PM Response to Reply #20 |
56. How do you fix the problem |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 04:12 PM Response to Original message |
5. If they find a cheaper way to the paper work, that is great, |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 04:13 PM Response to Original message |
6. Tell Mr Roarke and Tattoo hello for me. |
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NightWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 04:13 PM Response to Original message |
8. this is all a ploy to weaken them, then privatize them so the theft can take place |
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Paper Roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 04:13 PM Response to Original message |
9. Don't know where you are going with this but:: |
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denverbill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 04:19 PM Response to Original message |
11. Completely different conversation. |
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dennis4868 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 04:22 PM Response to Original message |
13. you will not find any buyers to what you say.... |
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CBGLuthier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 04:23 PM Response to Original message |
15. Is reducing and delaying benefits an improvement over ANYTHING? |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 04:28 PM Response to Original message |
17. They're not perfect -- they should be expanded, made more generous. |
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Blecht (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 04:34 PM Response to Reply #17 |
23. +50000000000000 (nt) |
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David Gill (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 05:07 PM Response to Reply #17 |
39. Eliminating the cap is exactly what I suggested. |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 04:29 PM Response to Original message |
18. And what is this grand plan?? |
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 04:32 PM Response to Original message |
21. I'd say Obama is undermining SS+M/M & any tax deal he makes will be unmade by NEXT Bush preznit. |
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FiveGoodMen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 04:33 PM Response to Original message |
22. 'Bye |
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Doremus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
26. Unrec. for RW spew. |
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David Gill (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 05:08 PM Response to Reply #26 |
40. Read what I actually wrote. They are a progressive ideas. No rw spew. |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:44 PM Response to Reply #40 |
57. I appreciate your courage in starting this thread |
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Scuba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 04:45 PM Response to Original message |
27. I'm all for changing both... |
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David Gill (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 05:13 PM Response to Reply #27 |
42. Eliminating the cap is the first thing I suggest in the article. |
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neverforget (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 04:50 PM Response to Original message |
31. Negotiating with insaneT-Bagging Republicans that want to KILL both |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 04:51 PM Response to Original message |
33. Why is it that people that I have never seen post before |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 04:53 PM Response to Original message |
34. Nothing is perfect. |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 05:01 PM Response to Original message |
37. How exactly do you increase solvency from 100%? |
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David Gill (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 05:11 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. Long term solvency. The programs needs to be able to support all the baby boomers down the road. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 05:43 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. The program IS solvent enough to take care of |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:59 PM Response to Reply #46 |
60. Comparing the Social Security trust fund to China is a fallacy |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 08:24 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. Anything backed by the full faith and credit of the US Govt. |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 01:59 PM Response to Reply #63 |
69. As I said |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 05:56 PM Response to Reply #41 |
52. The program will always be completely solvent.. |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:53 PM Response to Reply #37 |
59. Social Security pays out more than it takes in |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 08:01 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. Itt's completely irrelevant. |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 02:01 PM Response to Reply #61 |
70. I guess that would be one solution |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 05:30 PM Response to Original message |
43. Thank you for your concern. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 05:51 PM Response to Original message |
49. He proposed a program that would have increased the solvency |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:06 PM Response to Original message |
53. Here's the fly in the ointment |
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Blasphemer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:11 PM Response to Original message |
55. That could never happen with GOP control of the house |
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cottonseed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:46 PM Response to Original message |
58. DU is full of activists. It is not their job to budge. Like the Tea Partiers... |
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David Gill (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 12:36 AM Response to Reply #58 |
67. I know. Just thought it was a worthwhile conversation! |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 12:41 AM Response to Reply #67 |
68. It isn't. |
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indurancevile (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 08:01 PM Response to Original message |
62. not until they pay back the 2.6 trillion. |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 08:25 PM Response to Original message |
64. Ooo slick attempt. |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 08:28 PM Response to Original message |
65. Funding anything is a choice. |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 02:03 PM Response to Original message |
71. Oh fuck that. |
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elleng (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
72. Yes. |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
73. People mistake means for ends, tools for goals |
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