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ThomWV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:33 PM Original message |
So, Obama put $650 Billion of cuts in Social Security, Medicare, and Medicade on the table |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:33 PM Response to Original message |
1. It's called "bluffing". |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:35 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. and if that bluff was called???? |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:37 PM Response to Reply #6 |
18. I'm sorry? You mean if the Republicans actually agreed to trillions in tax increases? |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:40 PM Response to Reply #18 |
32. no, 1 trillion in taxes, 3 trillions in CUTS. that was the deal on the table. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:42 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. And of course the Republicans didn't take the tax increases. |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:46 PM Response to Reply #36 |
50. thank goodness. |
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Sheepshank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 10:50 AM Response to Reply #36 |
155. No chance GOP would have accepted the deal. GOP pattern is to refuse everything, everytime |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 11:41 AM Response to Reply #36 |
170. So you are saying that republicans save SS? Wow. |
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bahrbearian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 03:41 PM Response to Reply #170 |
209. That will be their new campaign slogan, 'Obama wants to kill Grandma' and it will stick. |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 04:05 PM Response to Reply #209 |
216. Only because this admin is so inept. |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 09:53 PM Response to Reply #18 |
233. Trillions |
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Motown_Johnny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 10:17 AM Response to Reply #6 |
143. veto |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 01:12 PM Response to Reply #6 |
185. He kept the stakes high enough that he was reasonably sure they |
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TrollBuster9090 (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 05:26 PM Response to Reply #6 |
222. There was practically zero chance they'd accept the deal, given that 95% of the Republicans |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:36 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. You're not supposed to bluff with other people's money. n/t |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:36 PM Response to Reply #7 |
15. with our lives, not just our money. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:37 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. Stop reading DU if you can't handle politics. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:38 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Skinner, is that you? |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:40 PM Response to Reply #19 |
29. our health care and pensions? Maybe you dont need yours, but the majority of us |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:43 PM Response to Reply #29 |
42. Then you should be thankful you have Obama for President instead of reflexively trashing him. |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:45 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. reflectively? bullshit. |
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Cherchez la Femme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 07:47 PM Response to Reply #45 |
101. Oh, there's something reflexive here |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 01:48 AM Response to Reply #101 |
132. I think it involves products from a certain adult toy store |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:45 PM Response to Reply #42 |
48. I ahve the right to be angry with Obama. I worked to get him elected. I worked hard. |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:49 PM Response to Reply #48 |
57. Then please note that the REPUBLICANS are the sole reason this is happening. |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:56 PM Response to Reply #57 |
68. Then the appropriate response does NOT involve proposing a deal with social security, correct? |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 07:29 PM Response to Reply #68 |
91. Remember 1. Republicans dont want to cut it, they want to destroy it. |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 01:52 AM Response to Reply #91 |
133. Obama never had to give them a damn thing |
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Divine Discontent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 03:18 PM Response to Reply #133 |
205. spot on Lorien. He should do as Clinton said if the GOP wants to try and tie our paid for programs |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 09:24 PM Response to Reply #133 |
232. EXACTLY. Thank-you. |
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jumptheshadow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 10:33 AM Response to Reply #91 |
146. Social Security should never be on the table, period |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 08:55 PM Response to Reply #91 |
231. like there was no deal with the tax cuts/ and no deal with the public option? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 12:31 AM Response to Reply #57 |
125. Republicans made Obama offer cuts in Medicare and Social Security ... ? |
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pscot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 01:51 PM Response to Reply #125 |
192. The Devil made him do it. |
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kelly1mm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 02:15 PM Response to Reply #57 |
195. While I agree that the debt ceiling debate has never been as bad but didn't the President vote |
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StarsInHerHair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 07:24 PM Response to Reply #42 |
90. thankful? money market account were pilfered! Obama's protecting the Banksters! |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 12:32 AM Response to Reply #90 |
126. 1000% --- |
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TrollBuster9090 (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 06:02 PM Response to Reply #90 |
223. If you think Obama is protecting the Banksters, go to OpenSecrets(dot)org and see what the Banksters |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 12:26 AM Response to Reply #42 |
123. Only elites have reason to be "thankful" -- or "grateful" to Obama ... as Rahm made clear!! |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 01:47 AM Response to Reply #42 |
131. No one is "reflexively trashing" Obama; it's called criticism. Try handling it |
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lark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 10:16 AM Response to Reply #42 |
142. Something missing |
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INdemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 06:40 PM Response to Reply #42 |
229. Problem is Obama is a Republican |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 12:25 AM Response to Reply #19 |
122. "Politics" effects people's lives every minute of their lives ... many Americans suffering ... |
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toppertwot (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 10:51 AM Response to Reply #19 |
156. THIS IS BEYOND POLITICS |
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TrollBuster9090 (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 06:08 PM Response to Reply #156 |
224. So, Mr. Yellow Dog, you'd like a repeat of Carter/Reagan 1980 would you? |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 11:44 AM Response to Reply #19 |
171. Stop posting on DU if you can't face reality. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:40 PM Response to Reply #15 |
30. I know. My mom plays medication roulette every month. |
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Irishonly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 03:08 PM Response to Reply #30 |
203. A lot of people do |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 12:27 AM Response to Reply #7 |
124. Who is Obama "bluffing" ---? Looks more like it's the American public ... !! |
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Frisbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 11:23 AM Response to Reply #7 |
164. Even if this is just a bluff... |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:36 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. Its only a bluff if the other side doesnt call the bet by accepting |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:39 PM Original message |
You think the republicans would accept trillions in tax increases? |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:45 PM Response to Original message |
46. From what I understand, Obama was wanting to close loopholes in this deal |
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TrollBuster9090 (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 06:17 PM Response to Reply #46 |
225. The plutocrats are trapped between a rock and a hard place on this one. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:48 PM Response to Original message |
54. There is zero evidence trillions in tax increases were on the table. n/t |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 02:17 PM Response to Reply #54 |
196. If I understood correctly |
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TrollBuster9090 (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 06:20 PM Response to Reply #54 |
227. So, you missed what BOTH Boehner and Obama said yesterday about the talks breaking down because |
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libmom74 (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
175. If Obama agrees to do it at "some point |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:36 PM Response to Reply #1 |
12. So he was not being honest with the people in this press conference, just bluffing. n/t |
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tokenlib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:36 PM Response to Reply #1 |
13. Those of us who will or may need those programs are not amused.. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:38 PM Response to Reply #13 |
21. Political fights aren't for your "amusement". And if you have a problem, blame the Republicans. |
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October (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:42 PM Response to Reply #21 |
38. +1 |
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tokenlib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:46 PM Response to Reply #21 |
49. Blame the republicans for Obama playing by their rules and with their language?? |
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chill_wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:52 PM Response to Reply #49 |
61. And on their turf. Negotiating from the right of center |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:52 PM Original message |
BLAME the Republicans because this ENTIRE MESS is because of them. especially the teabaggers in the |
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lark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
144. lots of blame to go around |
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bluethruandthru (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:46 PM Response to Reply #49 |
113. +100000000 |
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Muskypundit (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 04:54 PM Response to Reply #49 |
220. and their language... yea. |
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eilen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 07:20 PM Response to Reply #13 |
87. I'm sure the word "serious" was tossed around quite a bit |
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TrollBuster9090 (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 06:26 PM Response to Reply #13 |
228. The fact that Obama and Boehner had agreed to 0.8 trillion in revenue enhancements, and then Obama |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:37 PM Response to Reply #1 |
16. So you say that Pres Obama putting SS and Medicare on the table is a bluff? nm |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:39 PM Response to Reply #16 |
24. Can't handle being wrong, can you? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:42 PM Response to Reply #24 |
37. You mean, the Washington Post isn't making this up? |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 07:14 PM Response to Reply #24 |
83. What the hell does that have to do with my question? What was I wrong about? nm |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 10:48 AM Response to Reply #83 |
153. It has nothing to do w/ your question.It was just next on her list 4 today's snarky replies. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:56 PM Response to Reply #1 |
70. that's the best you can say? that he offered it up, mentioned it today... |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 09:20 AM Response to Reply #70 |
137. When the BEST defense of Obama is that "he is lying", |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 11:51 AM Response to Reply #137 |
174. no shit! |
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eilen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 07:17 PM Response to Reply #1 |
85. So... has he pulled it back |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 07:17 PM Response to Reply #1 |
86. I am guessing you never have played poker, right? If he is bluffing, that means he |
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Blue_In_AK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 07:24 PM Response to Reply #1 |
89. This isn't a game. n/t |
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RobinA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 08:17 PM Response to Reply #89 |
108. Of Course |
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Marr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 07:42 PM Response to Reply #1 |
100. That still makes as little sense as it did when O'Donnell first tossed it out there. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 07:55 PM Response to Reply #1 |
103. Or, just plain lying? |
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Faryn Balyncd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 11:44 PM Response to Reply #1 |
115. The only bluff he made was in 2008, and stupid me fell for it. |
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UnrepentantLiberal (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 12:04 PM Response to Reply #115 |
176. We all fell for it. Is it any wonder Obama has so much contempt |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 12:20 AM Response to Reply #1 |
120. Your insta-revisionist commentry grows tiresome. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 12:23 AM Response to Reply #1 |
121. dupe |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 10:49 AM Response to Reply #1 |
154. No. It's called lousy negotiation techniques. |
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julian09 (418 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 12:38 PM Response to Reply #154 |
180. Can't negotiate with no no no |
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juajen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 06:17 PM Response to Reply #180 |
226. Don't blame this on seniors, please; or, at the minimum give me a link! |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 02:34 AM Response to Reply #180 |
237. I don't think that it was seniors who stayed home last Fall. |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 11:40 AM Response to Reply #1 |
169. You're incorrigible. |
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roomfullofmirrors (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 02:08 PM Response to Reply #1 |
194. No, it's called putting SS, medicare, and medicaid on the table. |
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meow mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 03:46 PM Response to Reply #1 |
211. bwahahahahahahahahahahah ahaha rofl |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 04:00 PM Response to Reply #1 |
214. "bluffing" does not mean what you think it does |
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AlabamaLibrul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 02:52 AM Response to Reply #1 |
238. bluffing would be threatening to take it into default, not adopting the Repuke position n/t |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:34 PM Response to Original message |
2. Oh, it's also called hanging an albatross around your opponent's neck. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 12:45 AM Response to Reply #2 |
129. Don't think you see it yet, but Obama has hung an "albatross" around his own neck ... |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 04:01 PM Response to Reply #2 |
215. Whoah, again that term does not mean what you think it odes... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:34 PM Response to Original message |
3. Welcome to Bizarro World. n/t |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:35 PM Response to Original message |
4. Do you play poker? |
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choie (899 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:35 PM Response to Original message |
5. It's not a win.. |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:36 PM Response to Original message |
9. That is i ADDITIOn to the first trillion of cuts. And there is another trillion missing in |
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NightWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:36 PM Response to Original message |
10. I'm no advocate of the "chess argument", but Obama was ready to sell us out and the pukes still said |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:38 PM Response to Reply #10 |
22. Thank god they wouldn't take it!!!!!!!! but he is meeting again tomorrow morning. |
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AllyCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:39 PM Response to Reply #10 |
27. Higher interest rates would actually help a large number of their REAL constituents |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:40 PM Response to Reply #10 |
31. It's obvious now that some DU'ers are totally wedded to their prejudice. |
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lark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 10:34 AM Response to Reply #31 |
147. It's also obvious some DU'ers |
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AllyCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:36 PM Response to Original message |
11. I think it is more part of the triple decker chess game that convinces us in some |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 12:46 AM Response to Reply #11 |
130. +1 -- |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:36 PM Response to Original message |
14. heckava a job Obama! |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:37 PM Response to Original message |
17. I dunno, but according to the Confucii of the forum, we are supposed to apologize. So start |
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tularetom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:38 PM Response to Original message |
23. I salute you for saying this so much better than I could |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:39 PM Response to Original message |
25. Boehner: "The Pres. is adamant that we cannot make fundamental changes to our entitlement programs." |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:41 PM Response to Reply #25 |
34. You believe Boner over Obama? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:49 PM Response to Reply #34 |
56. Yes. What Obama has said backs up what Boehner said. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:54 PM Response to Reply #56 |
66. LOL. No, it doesn't in any way unless you believe 650 billion in cuts |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 07:02 PM Response to Reply #66 |
75. See my post below. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 07:02 PM Response to Reply #66 |
76. So? The numbers were part of Pres. Obama's bluff and Boehner folded. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 07:34 PM Response to Reply #66 |
93. Excuse, but I heard $850 billion in cuts. But why are you responding to "ignored"? nm |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 07:02 PM Response to Reply #34 |
74. Boehner wanted Ryan Plan on steroids. Basically destroy SS, Medicare |
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lark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 10:40 AM Response to Reply #74 |
149. raising the age for medicare is a cut |
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Sheepshank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 10:55 AM Response to Reply #149 |
157. where is this a statement from Obama? |
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AllyCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:43 PM Response to Reply #25 |
41. Boner wants MORE "fundamental" changes than Obama wanted so that's what he means |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:51 PM Response to Reply #41 |
60. Your opinion is similar to Republicans who refuse to raise a cent in taxes. |
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AllyCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:54 PM Response to Reply #60 |
67. Social Security should not even be on the TABLE!!!! Not at all. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:58 PM Response to Reply #67 |
72. Polls show Americans want both parties to compromise. Pres. Obama is bluffing. Do you get that? |
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AllyCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 12:19 AM Response to Reply #72 |
119. We'll see what happens in the weeks to come. Since we have already cut |
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bread_and_roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 10:40 AM Response to Reply #60 |
150. polls show we the people do NOT want cuts to SS/MA/MC |
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Dept of Beer (957 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 11:01 AM Response to Reply #25 |
158. Sigh... You're grasping at the whole bale again. |
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Generic Other (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:39 PM Response to Original message |
26. Is this not almost the same amount as the amount given out to beneficiaries last year? |
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chill_wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:39 PM Response to Original message |
28. Well |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:41 PM Response to Original message |
33. Boehner: "The Pres. is adamant that we cannot make fundamental changes to our entitlement programs." |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:42 PM Response to Reply #33 |
39. Or you could just believe Obama: |
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ThomWV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:44 PM Response to Reply #33 |
44. So, one of them is a fucking liar - you tell me which one. |
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AllyCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:47 PM Response to Reply #44 |
52. both |
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ThomWV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:50 PM Response to Reply #52 |
59. dam ..... you're right. |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 07:10 PM Response to Reply #44 |
80. Did you watch the press conference? Obama said boehner walked |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 07:35 PM Response to Reply #80 |
94. "Obama's statements were entirely consistent with Boehner." Thank you for the facts, emulatorloo. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 11:13 AM Response to Reply #44 |
163. They dont agree on the definition of "fundamental" as re. changes to SS. |
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xxqqqzme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 11:36 AM Response to Reply #33 |
168. Enough with the direct deposit, jeebus! |
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Broderick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:41 PM Response to Original message |
35. We just continue for the last decade to negotiate from |
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AllyCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:45 PM Response to Reply #35 |
47. I agree...we are in power, not them. We put out the plans, not them |
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Broderick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:47 PM Response to Reply #47 |
53. Sickening |
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eilen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 07:33 PM Response to Reply #53 |
92. Is he a Pusher or something? |
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Broderick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:40 PM Response to Reply #92 |
111. You get it |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 07:11 PM Response to Reply #47 |
81. Self Delete |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:42 PM Response to Original message |
40. thank God Boehner 'pulled out' ! nt |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 01:38 PM Response to Reply #40 |
187. LOL |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:43 PM Response to Original message |
43. Did the President |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:49 PM Response to Reply #43 |
58. Why aren't you quoting his own words, ProSense? |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:53 PM Response to Reply #58 |
64. Here |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 07:01 PM Response to Reply #64 |
73. No, his words on the deal, not on your cherry picking: |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 07:35 PM Response to Reply #73 |
95. Why are you taking Obama's own words and using them against him?!!?!?!!?111!?1 Do you want PRESIDENT |
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Sheepshank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 11:02 AM Response to Reply #73 |
159. Where is there a reference to cut in benefits? |
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ThomWV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:53 PM Response to Reply #43 |
63. Nope, he only named the big three as up for $650 Billion in cuts |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:56 PM Response to Reply #63 |
69. Did he specify benefits? |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:47 PM Response to Original message |
51. Anyone who cuts funding for "needy" old people on SS is evil. |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:48 PM Response to Original message |
55. It is more of 'relief' then anything else. |
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SnoopDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:52 PM Response to Original message |
62. Obama actually said he was going to screw future beneficiaries of SS |
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ThomWV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:54 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. I agree, it is no relief to learn that my son is fucked rather than myself |
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:57 PM Response to Original message |
71. No! He's just talking about cutting *waste* They order A LOT of unnecessary office supplies @ SocSec |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 07:05 PM Response to Reply #71 |
78. How much money could be saved by going Direct Deposit with all Govt Checks |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 07:13 PM Response to Reply #78 |
82. SS has already begun to phase out paper checks |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 07:15 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. Good. Can Medicare negotiate with Drug Companies for better prices |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 07:36 PM Response to Reply #84 |
96. Why are you insulting DU? You are free to leave. nm |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 12:19 AM Response to Reply #84 |
118. No, the administration gave that away when they made the deal with Tauzin... |
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 07:38 PM Response to Reply #78 |
98. Yeah, and why do they staple everything!? |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 09:12 AM Response to Reply #98 |
136. Yeah, and what's up with all this war? That costs A LOT OF MONEY. nt |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 07:03 PM Response to Original message |
77. And it was not enough |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 07:06 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. I do: Republicans want total destruction of the safety net, and no taxes on corporations or the rich |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 07:22 PM Response to Original message |
88. Obama needs to up the ante to get a deal, he should offer to overturn Roe v Wade. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 07:39 PM Response to Reply #88 |
99. Are you joking. Our corp-overlords dont give a shit about Roe v Wade |
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Marr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 07:36 PM Response to Original message |
97. Well see-- he did it "forcefully". He had a sexy gleam in his eye. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 07:54 PM Response to Original message |
102. Not to worry. He will withdraw his bid and promise to veto any cuts to present or future beneifits. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 07:56 PM Response to Reply #102 |
104. That's true. He made them blink, and played chess, & called their bluff & looks great in a swimsuit |
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suffragette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 07:59 PM Response to Original message |
105. No flames from me, Thom |
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myrna minx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 08:04 PM Response to Original message |
106. This is my question too. K&R n/t |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 08:05 PM Response to Original message |
107. well, he offered it, but it had to go through congress...he knew it didn't have a prayer |
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Creideiki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 08:20 PM Response to Original message |
109. Definitely a bold ploy to throw away Florida in 2012! |
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Historic NY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:02 PM Response to Original message |
110. Define changes..change SS cap, reduced payments to wealthy recipients... |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:41 PM Response to Original message |
112. So you prefer the default? |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 11:46 PM Response to Reply #112 |
116. Does this mean you support cuts to SS? |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 09:44 AM Response to Reply #116 |
141. Do you prefer the default? |
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lark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 10:31 AM Response to Reply #141 |
145. Quit buying the story |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 02:56 PM Response to Reply #141 |
201. Do you support cuts to SS, yes or no? |
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udbcrzy2 (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 11:28 PM Response to Original message |
114. I agree with ThomWV - it's the same ol shit again. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 11:47 PM Response to Original message |
117. Deleted message |
MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 12:39 AM Response to Reply #117 |
128. Please return your name tag and towel on the way out. |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 12:33 AM Response to Original message |
127. K&R It's not a win, by any means. It is an outrage and a crying shame. nt |
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pnwest (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 02:06 AM Response to Original message |
134. so, here's what I heard the President say: |
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bread_and_roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 10:47 AM Response to Reply #134 |
152. So we oldsters are supposed to sell out our children and g'children? |
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on point (613 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 08:48 AM Response to Original message |
135. Here is what he SHOULD have proposed |
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Middle finga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 09:23 AM Response to Original message |
138. So Obama's message on the campaign trail |
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Hubert Flottz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 09:37 AM Response to Original message |
139. Some can't tell the difference between Chess and liar's poker. |
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Jim_Shorts (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 11:35 AM Response to Reply #139 |
167. 18% real unemployment & cuts to SS and Medicare |
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fadedrose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 09:38 AM Response to Original message |
140. Wouldn't ya hate to play poker with Obama? nt |
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ThomWV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 03:51 PM Response to Reply #140 |
212. I am an adult, I do not play games with money. |
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Vattel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
148. To believe that the cuts to Medicare and SS |
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Sheepshank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 11:11 AM Response to Reply #148 |
161. Stated assumptions to a reduction in benefits also lacks credibility. |
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Vattel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 12:14 PM Response to Reply #161 |
178. No, I offered evidence. A respectable objection |
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Sheepshank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 01:11 PM Response to Reply #178 |
184. unknow sources and hear say are hardly credible evidence. |
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Vattel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 03:23 PM Response to Reply #184 |
206. Well, at least you are addressing my argument. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 03:08 PM Response to Reply #161 |
202. Nope, informed by a week's worth of reporting. |
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Sheepshank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 03:14 PM Response to Reply #202 |
204. Opinion posts are just that...opinions with no hard facts or supporting evidence |
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Vattel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 03:25 PM Response to Reply #204 |
207. Opinion pieces often cite facts in support of the opinions. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 03:26 PM Response to Reply #204 |
208. LOL |
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Somawas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
151. BERNIE SANDERS IN 2012! Fuck this noise. |
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whistler162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 11:13 AM Response to Reply #151 |
162. Sarah Palin thank s you for your support! |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 01:50 PM Response to Reply #162 |
191. That old line doesn't |
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Somawas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 08:40 PM Response to Reply #191 |
230. Doesn't work for me. |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 10:35 PM Response to Reply #230 |
234. Thank you. I will never |
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Leontius (380 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 11:10 AM Response to Original message |
160. The question has been asked 'Why did Boehner walk out?" |
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Somawas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 10:53 PM Response to Reply #160 |
235. Bohener walked out because he is a motherfucker. |
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newspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
165. Bill Maher had a "libertarian" guest on last night |
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pnwest (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 01:47 PM Response to Reply #165 |
189. Loved it when the woman seated next to him... |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
166. AS caller on Hartmann yesterday astutely observed |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 11:47 AM Response to Original message |
172. A moment of silence |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 11:49 AM Response to Original message |
173. Obama is finished -- unless we're all insane -- ???? |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 01:49 PM Response to Reply #173 |
190. Lots of people have become sane. |
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earcandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
177. Bush might have been uneducated, but he had balls. |
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WiffenPoof (676 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 12:18 PM Response to Original message |
179. I posted this earlier... |
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Smilo (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 12:52 PM Response to Reply #179 |
182. I agree |
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MissDeeds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 02:34 PM Response to Reply #179 |
197. +1 n/t |
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South End Liberal (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 12:52 PM Response to Original message |
181. Blame Republicans AND Democrats for looting the Social Security trust fund |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 01:40 PM Response to Reply #181 |
188. +1 |
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on point (613 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 02:46 PM Response to Reply #181 |
198. Here Here!! Absolutely. let's try 70% tax rate until debt is paid down! |
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DFW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 04:32 PM Response to Reply #198 |
218. No, let's not |
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on point (613 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 05:20 PM Response to Reply #218 |
221. Hey I'm willing to compromise at 50% !! This is the discussion we should be having. |
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DFW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 11:32 PM Response to Reply #221 |
236. That is a dicey limit. |
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Kablooie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 01:08 PM Response to Original message |
183. So this puts the entitlement cuts squarely on the shoulders of Democrats. |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 01:36 PM Response to Original message |
186. REC. nt. |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
193. I'm so sick of the games. The people in Washington are doing nothing more than political theater. |
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OwnedByFerrets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 02:50 PM Response to Original message |
199. Who would have EVER thought that we would have to be BEGGING |
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German (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 02:56 PM Response to Original message |
200. How Your Social Security Money Was Stolen |
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meow mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 03:45 PM Response to Original message |
210. people want to delude themselves that he was "bluffing" when he was ready to sell us out |
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jtuck004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 03:51 PM Response to Original message |
213. What an utter waste of time. We should be talking jobs and the future. n/t |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 04:41 PM Response to Original message |
219. Someone needs to take the table out back, chop it into pieces, and burn it. |
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