Police: "Norway suspect had right-wing & anti-Muslim views". Number of dead reaches 91

[sabrina 1]

Reports on Saturday morning from Norway say that at least 80 people were killed at the Youth Center. Tragically a higher number than initially reported.

This headline was posted on the Washington Post tonight but with no other information.

Police say Norway shooting suspect had right-wing and anti-Muslim views, but motive unclear



Government Headquarters in Oslo


Norway attacks: At least 91 dead in shooting at youth conference, Oslo explosion

Norway police officials gave the gunman’s name as Anders Behring Breivik at a news conference Saturday morning. Norway’s national broadcaster, NRK, and other news outlets in the country also posted pictures of the blond and blue-eyed Norwegian.

“What we know is that he is right wing and he is Christian fundamentalist,” said Roger Andresen, a deputy police chief. “We have not been able to link him up to an anti-Islamic group.” He said that Breivik had not been arrested before.

The Prime Minister, who was taken to a safe location, spoke to the public later vowing that this would not destroy their democracy:

“I have a message to whoever attacked us. It’s a message from all of Norway,” he said. “You will not destroy us. You will not destroy our democracy.”

......

Norway saw an increased level of far-right extremism in 2010, a trend that is expected to continue this year, according to a Norwegian Police Security Service Annual Threat Assessment. The report also said that “there are indications of contact” between far-right Norwegian extremists and organized criminal groups, which could increase their potential for violence.

Norwegian TV was showing people swimming away from the Island, the article says.

RIP innocent people ... :cry:

[DonCoquixote]

1. You know that

many right wingers will be singing his praises.

[indurancevile]

2. he looks like a cyborg.

Anders Behring Breivik, a 32-year-old Norwegian national, claims to be a fan of Winston Churchill, classical music, and gory movies like, "300," and "Gladiator," on his Facebook page.

Breivik, who was reportedly a Free Mason at one time, has been fingered for the dual attacks that claimed more than 7 lives in the capitol of Oslo, and 80 campers on the island youth retreat of Utoya.

He studied at the Oslo Commerce School, an instituion devoted to business and financial management...Breivik may have used a front company, Breivik Geofarm, he founded in 2009 as an excuse to legally stockpile large quantities of fertilizer and other chemicals...

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/2011/07/23/2011-07-23_who_is_anders_behring_breivik_norway_shooting_suspects_profile_emerges.html

[sabrina 1]

3. He's certainly doesn't look Muslim!

Norway's Timothy McVeigh!

Thanks for the photo. I had not seen him until now.

[aquart]

10. Do you notice that it's a professional head shot?

Norway's John Wilkes Booth?

[indurancevile]

22. i hadn't, but i found some more of the same type. i wonder why?

[sabrina 1]

26. They do look like professional photos.

Do we know what he worked at yet, I've been gone all day so haven't caught up with the news, yet. Maybe the photos were job related in some way?

[indurancevile]

32. he had a farm, that's all i've read.

and lived with his mother "in a wealthy suburb of oslo".

but who knows, there's always a lot of misinformation initially.

[Tx4obama]

4. The gunman was at the camp for TWO HOURS shooting the kids

Oslo, Norway (CNN) -- A young man who survived a gunman's wo-hour rampage on Norway's Utoya Island says he is alive because he played dead, grabbing on to bodies around him, an account that came as authorities on Saturday raised the death toll from the attack a day earlier to 84.

Rest of article here: http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/07/23/norway.explosion/index.html?iref=BN1&hpt=hp_t1

[sabrina 1]

7. Poor kids, some as young as 13. They must have been

terrified. The young guy who survived said the gunman went away but came back after an hour. He chased people who were running to the water to escape.

From your link:

"I could feel his breath," said 21-year-old Pracon. "I could hear his boots."

What a nightmare ...

[JHB]

14. Except for the "classical music" part, his bio sounds like...

George W. Bush's.

[indurancevile]

18. i was more getting the impression that school was akin to a trade school.

but i don't know enough about norway's education system to be sure.

[indurancevile]

5. camp an incubator for future labor leaders.

Labour’s summer camp opens

July 21, 2011

Around 1,000 young supporters of Norway’s Labour Party were making their way over to Utøya this week, an island in the Tyrifjord that’s often viewed as an incubator for future Labour Party leaders. Detractors call it a breeding ground for a relatively small clique of would-be power mongers.

The summer camp for members of Labour’s youth group AUF (Arbeidernes ungdomsfylking) has launched the political careers of many a Labour Party leader. Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg was a fixture at the camp in his youth and remains keen to visit every summer. Both he, Foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Støre and former Prime Minister Gro Harlem Brundtland were due to make appearances at this year’s camp during its five-day run that began Wednesday...

Pedersen, quite possibly a future Labour Party leader or government minister himself if Labour keeps winning elections, said the “best thing” about the camp is “meeting lots of folks who have the same values as you do.” Newspaper Vårt Land, however, recently put another slant on the Utøya camp, reporting that the Labour Party historically is run by a tight network of politicians linked by family relations, marriage and friendships who also have a tendency to take on key roles not only in government but in business and Norway’s powerful bureaucracy as well. Many tend to meet in their youth on the island midway between Oslo and Hønefoss.

http://www.newsinenglish.no/2011/07/21/labours-summer-camp-opens/


so this isn't just your average summer camp. it's a camp full of kids that are related to labor party mucketies.

i'm thinking there's more to this story than some random "lone gunman".

this looks like it's the equivalent of someone going in & shooting up the senate's daycare facility or something.

[sabrina 1]

6. Very good points. Is the Labor Party there a Liberal Party?

He attacked the Govt Bldg where the PM's offices were AND basically a training camp for members of the same party.

I think you are right. It most likely was not random. The PM did say they do not know if he acted alone. However they did say he 'is cooperating with the police' that he was 'anxious to explain himself'.

Maybe he was angry, like the far right here are with Democrats, with the government for allowing Muslims into the country and associates the Labor Party with that.

[indurancevile]

8. it's a social-democratic party.

The Labour Party (Norwegian: Arbeiderpartiet, A/Ap) is a social-democratic<5> political party in Norway. It is the senior partner in the current Norwegian government as part of the Red-Green Coalition, and its leader, Jens Stoltenberg, is the current Prime Minister of Norway.

The Norwegian Labour Party is officially committed to social-democratic ideals. Its slogan since the 1930s has been "work for everyone", and the party seeks a strong welfare state, funded through taxes and duties.<6> During the last 20 years, the party has included more of the principles of a social market economy in its policy, allowing for privatisation of government-held assets and services and reducing income tax progressivity, following the wave of economic liberalization in the 1980s. The Labour Party profiles itself as a progressive party that subscribes to cooperation on a national as well as international level. Its youth wing is the Workers' Youth League.

Since its establishment in the late 19th century, the party steadily increased in support until it became the largest party in Norway in 1927 – a position it has held ever since. This year also saw the consolidation of conflicts surrounding the party during the 1920s following its membership of Comintern from 1919 to 1923. From 1945 to 1961, the party had an absolute majority in the Norwegian parliament, a period nicknamed as the "one party state". Since 1935, there have been only sixteen years in which the party has not held the office of the Prime Minister. The domination by the Labour Party, during the 1960s and early 1970s, was initially broken by competition from the left, primarily from the Socialist People's Party. From the end of the 1970s however, the party started to lose voters to the right, leading to a turn to the right for the party under Gro Harlem Brundtland during the 1980s. In 2001 the party achieved its worst electoral results since 1924, forcing it to commit to a co-operation agreement with other parties in order to form a majority government.<6>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_Party_%28Norway%29

[sabrina 1]

11. Interesting, thank you.

It looks like it's a 'centrist' party on some issues. But basically like our Dem Party here, moving right.

[malaise]

19. Prime Minister just arrived on the island

He's been visiting the island every year since 1975.
This was an attack on socialism by a right wing lunatic

[sabrina 1]

25. It definitely seems that way. I wonder if worked alone?

[Ichingcarpenter]

9. The Camp had a Multicultural focus- he hated multiculturalism

Many questions remain open. It is unclear how long the man was able to shoot at the camp participants before the police's anti-terror unit seized him. His motives are also unclear. There is speculation that he may have targeted the youth camp because it had a "multicultural" focus, as participants reported. The suspected perpetrator had apparently criticized multiculturalism in Norway in statements on the Internet.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,776078,00.html

[indurancevile]

17. the labor party has been norway's ruling party for something like 40 years.

bombing the government hq = targeting the party.

the kids at the camp are the children of labor party elites.

i doubt it had anything to do with multiculturalism.

it seems to me a direct attack on the ruling party -- very sinister, killing their children instead of the more "normal" route of killing politicians.

[pampango]

20. It had everything to do with hating multiculturalism.

Inside the Mind of the Norway Terrorist

http://techyum.com/2011/07/the-face-of-norways-attacks/

Breivik appears to be, as the New York Times reported and the Norwegian press has categorized him, a right-wing extremist. From his comments on Document.no, he is anti-Muslim and anti-multicultural, and his writings speak repeatedly of “the European struggle.”

"...his language on Document.no is disturbingly reminiscent both of the ’30s National Socialists...and of the vaguer, more coded anti-immigrant messages from today’s right-wing groups in the U.S."

I just see the same stuff that often comes from some of the more educated Americans who have a bone to pick with multiculturalism and what they’ve decided is “Marxism” — and do so with single-minded fanaticism, while still sounding like some of the more reasonable people posting on the net.

I don’t know if, in that context, it would be more or less disturbing if the people Breivik slaughtered hadn’t been mostly blonde, blue-eyed Norwegians like himself. Breivik’s objection appears to have been to the whole direction he believed European society was headed — toward multiculturalism. To counteract that, he set off bombs in Oslo and murdered, en masse, young people. His perceived campaign seems to have been against the “multiculturalist” elements — that is, the Norwegian political left...

Breivik's own posting: "Although the majority of humanists but also many liberals are anti-nationalists, and is therefore by definition cultural Marxists. Promote either multiculturalism (cultural Marxism) or monoculture (nationalist), there is nothing in between, even though most do not dare to admit this yet.

One cannot support cultural Marxism/ multiculturalism and simultaneously call themselves conservative…The majority on the right side has unfortunately not yet found out that one must defeat multiculturalism in order to defeat the Islamization as many still see themselves as multiculturalists…

…Sometime in the future, most will have to flag the point of view, you will have to make a choice: nationalism or internationalism.

[indurancevile]

23. the only fact that is certain is that he targeted the labor party.

you can only speculate about his motives for doing so.

and things aren't always what they seem.

[Search and Destroy]

33. Umm his motives are outlined in his manifesto... he was specifically targetting multiculturalism

[uppityperson]

35. The camp was Labor Party, is what I think that poster meant. He killed

people of the Labor Party. Perhaps to make some helter skelter multiculturalism outcome, but his immediate targets were Labor Party.

[Search and Destroy]

36. The Labor Party was the cause of multiculturalism in Norway. He was targetting multiculturalism

If the conservative party of norway had brought in multiculturalism, he would have targetted them.

[AverageJoe90]

12. Yet some people are now insisting ISRAEL was behind the attacks........

.....makes me sick, really, that some would take advantage of this tragedy in such a manner.

[sabrina 1]

13. I hadn't heard that. Initially it was being reported as a

Muslim extremist attack, connected to Norway's role in Afghanistan. How would it benefit Israel to attack Norway? That makes no sense.

[AverageJoe90]

28. It's mainly been on YouTube, but probably not limited to there, though

I know, but seriously, this has me a little worried. There's already enough anti-Semitism out there, and we have unscrupulous liars out there trying to take advantage of this tragedy?

I've been trying to point out the same basic point you've had(on YT, that is!), but it's been increasingly like I'm talking to a brick wall.

Well, the one good thing is, at least people here on D.U. tend to be a lot more level-headed & intelligent overall. ;-)

[CJCRANE]

16. Who? Where? nt

[AverageJoe90]

29. See my reply to sabrina 1.

[gatorboy]

24. Actually, the only person I've seen posting this is you

So what are you up to?

[AverageJoe90]

27. What do you mean? I've never said Israel was behind the attacks!

Sorry, but.......no shit, Sherlock.

[malaise]

15. Listened to fundamentalist radio stations

The Right Wing of the world will finally be treated like the terrorists they are.
All promoters of hate must be banned - free speech my ass. You can't shout fire over and over and live among the decent - not in democracies.
I want to hear from all the right wing fuckers on the planet right fucking now.

[sabrina 1]

21. That would be good, and I hope it happens

but since it's rightwingers who are running things around the globe, it seems, like Murdoch and his ilk, I would be surprised if this story gets as much mileage as it would if it had been a Muslim terrorist

[malaise]

30. I hope you're wrong

but they sure control the media

[AverageJoe90]

31. True.

And, I betcha if this man had instead been a Jew, or of African heritage, instead of Caucasian, the fringe right would've been all over this man like flies on rotten meat; they'll do anything to sucker people into their delusional fantasy world where right is wrong, and 2+2=5.

[sabrina 1]

34. Yes, he kind of screwed things up for them. They really,

really wanted him him to fit their profile of a 'terrorist' which was definitely not what this guy turned out to be.

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