Debbie Wasserman-Schultz needs to go get a job - I will NOT shut up

[upi402]

Why is that DLC/DCCC woman telling our side to tone it down?


Tough.
We wont go away and be silent as the media incites violence by airing these idiots non-stop for years. No way Debbie, you shut up and get out of the way. You have failed, now we got this. Go away.

[mmonk]

1. Because she is a centrist.

Their purpose in life it seems is to legitimize the right.

[upi402]

2. A Vichy-Democrat

The center has failed absolutely and has done more harm than good.

[FarPoint]

8. I totally disagree....

I find her a strong voice for our Party...plus, her best friend has been shot in the head.......use some compassion and understanding.

[cali]

19. so, in your book, was Gabrielle.

sickening calling people names like Vichy democrat. quite tea partyish of you.

[Supersedeas]

45. I totally agree....

as evidence by her support of Republican candidates in Florida.

[BzaDem]

3. Do you have any idea who she actually is? n/t

[upi402]

11. DCCC National Chair for Member and Candidate Services

Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz (FL) will serve as the DCCC National Chair for Member and Candidate Services

She supported corporatist Hillary Clinton who was on the board of WalMart.

etc

[BzaDem]

29. I mean who she actually is

not just random shit you could look up on the Internet in 2 seconds.

If you followed her career and ideology, you would probably be laughing at yourself right now.

[Supersedeas]

49. We know that she actively campaigned for Repukes in Florida

We know that anytime the MSM needs a "DINO" to appear and behave, she is their go-to gal.

On the MSM all the time, how can we not know her.

[Gaedel]

52. She didn't actively campaign for the Republicans

She just said that she wasn't going to actively insert herself in those congressional races and make enemies of people she might have to work with as a part of the FL delegation.


As a part of her job, she identified Democratic candidates to run in the races and she allocated DCCC funds to the races. She just didn't engage in the general mudslinging that tends to be a part of congressional races these days.

[Supersedeas]

63. More than just hairsplitting - her JOB as Co-Chair of the Red to Blue Committee

was to insert herself in those congressional races. Instead, she REFUSED TO ENDORSE the very candidates that might become a new Democratic member of the Florida delegation and instead saddled up with the Republicans that she was already so accustomed to working with.

That's one hell of a Co-Chair. If it's Red and Florida, then let's keep it Red Committee.

[FarPoint]

33. You have been here a long time, since 2005

and don't really know the beauty and strength of Debbie Wasserman Schultz? Whats up with that?

[FarPoint]

30. You make an excellent point.

Thank you....you sure know how to keep it simple.O8)

[mmonk]

57. Yes.

She is a mixed bag to me. Like most humans.

[Behind the Aegis]

4. Do you disagree with this statement?

"It's our responsibility, whether we're Democrats or Republicans, whether we agree or disagree, to remember we're Americans first, and that words have an impact," she said. "We don't know when the words we've chosen will send someone whose psyche is frayed to begin with, over the edge."

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2011-01-09/news/fl-giffords-wasserman-schultz-reactio20110109_1_debbie-wasserman-schultz-d-weston-shooting-rampage

[mmonk]

6. Sorry if some of us don't want to be used for target practice.

This is about right and wrong. This is about violence and murder. If we can't speak out against it, then God help us.

[Behind the Aegis]

7. Strawman.

I didn't see a damn thing in that statement that didn't say we couldn't speak against what has happened.

[mmonk]

12. You want a strawman?

False equivalency is the strawman. Right wing hate groups are expanding.

[Behind the Aegis]

13. More strawman arguments?

"False equivalency" is not a "strawman."

"Right wing hate groups are expanding."

Irrelevant to what she said.

[mmonk]

14. What works is if it is used only in the context of what happened

and what sent the shooter to after Gabby.

[upi402]

17. she is telling *US* to tone it down too

That doesn't seem way way off to you?

[Behind the Aegis]

18. No, what she she said was "that words have an impact."

That doesn't seem way off to me at all!

[mmonk]

20. And the words having the impact are obvious and have not come

from Democrats in Washington or any media considered "left". Therefore, the statement is wanting.

[Behind the Aegis]

23. No. They haven't resulted in a shooting. That is all.

Your position is "they shouldn't do it because people have been shot, but we can continue to do it because no one has been shot."

[mmonk]

24. My statement is against the hate speech and lies.

If you can't call that out and attribute proper cause, then it will continue.

[Behind the Aegis]

25. And Ms. Wasserman-Schultz's statement was about political rhetoric.

She said NOTHING about NOT calling out hate speech or lies. You and the OP are tossing out straw left and right.

[mmonk]

36. So are you saying her statement is unrelated to recent events?

[stevenleser]

39. Your responses indicate that you really havent understood what she or anyone else here has said to

you. Because of that, Im not even going to try to say anything beyond that.

[mmonk]

40. I understand what you and others are saying.

But no rhetoric has matched the rhetoric that has led to murder.

[dkf]

5. Maybe she doesn't want our side to look unhinged or anything.

[Ikonoklast]

55. Whose side is that?

I already know which side is backing and filling, I see it here.

[Botany]

9. you know not of what you speak

Debbie Wasserman-Schultz and her family are very good friends with Gabby Giffords and her family.

They have vacationed together and she heard the news as she was driving her 8 year old daughter to
a soccer game and she was crushed. No doubt in private she has cried long and hard over Gabby but
if she asks people to tone it down it comes from her heart.

[upi402]

16. We are finally calling this stuff out... though too late

and she is telling *US* to tone it down?

We are never calling for the murders of RWers. There are no personalities on TV or Radio from our side promoting and inciting violence. Does something seem off to you? It sure does to me.

The media is trying like hell to cover their tracks and she is enabling that. I wont be distracted. She is DCCC - enough said.

[Botany]

48. Then pay no heed to the facts and keep up the fight

[DrDan]

10. I listened to her yesterday - I agree with her

never once did I hear her say - "those from the left - shut up!".

[Ilsa]

43. ITA. I never heard her say that.

I think some Democrats are saying "both sides" just to be non-argumentative on the subject. She specifically pointed out right-wingers who used violence-inciting rhetoric.

[Skidmore]

15. Nice try.

Not biting.

[cali]

21. I wish I had your restraint.

it's disgusting dog shit.

[mmonk]

28. It's a nice statement.

"It's our responsibility, whether we're Democrats or Republicans, whether we agree or disagree, to remember we're Americans first, and that words have an impact,", "We don't know when the words we've chosen will send someone whose psyche is frayed to begin with, over the edge."

But where is its specificity? This is the result of specific speech from specific people targeting specific people.

[cali]

32. it's not a statement deserving of the vituperative sentiment expressed in the OP

[mmonk]

37. A true story.

I was run off the highway twice in one month by these people because I had an Obama bumper sticker. One of those times, I was pulling a trailor which increased the danger to me. My statement was a bumper sticker. Did my statement warrant what was done? Did I incite them?

[cali]

38. of course not, but what's your point?

And I hope you called the police.

[mmonk]

42. My point is that Gabrielle was attacked for her vote.

There was no rhetoric from her. While Wasserman's statement is nice and stately, it doesn't address the problem which is a specific problem unrelated to Democratic Party rhetoric. The warning in my opinion needs to be directed at those involved.

[cali]

47. say what? sorry we don't know that.

frankly, I'm guessing that she was attacked more because of Loughlan's delusions about government controlling speech with grammar than anything else. Not that I know, but there's more evidence to support that than to support your guess about some vote she cast.

[mmonk]

53. So it was just coincidence?

I do not believe in coincidences. The Tea Party gained steamed over healthcare and the "crosshairs" and dishonest rhetoric about marxist tyranny.

[cali]

54. I don't know. I think it's not as simple as you purport it to be.

I'm a person that really likes factual information before setting my opinion in concrete.

[mmonk]

56. She has been targeted for a long time by the tea party.

They protest her every saturday. Whether the shooter's main thrust was language control by members of government or not, I see cause and effect. I think saying politicians need to watch what they say with no specifics doesn't address adequately what we must stand against. The explosion of threats and intimidation towards particular parties and causes I think threatens representative government and we should stand and point where it is coming from. That is all. I'm against wiggle room at this particular time.

[onenote]

46. the one specific example I heard Debbie give

was of the repub talk show host that almost ended up as Alan West's chief of staff -- the one that talked about bullets rather than ballots.

[mmonk]

59. It's a good example.

But the rhetoric we face is the rhetoric of violent revolution due to disagreement over policy differences, not tyranny.

[FarPoint]

31. Did you alert?

I have less restraint....

[cali]

22. highly unrecced.

[MaeScott]

26. She wants us to take the high road...

...in a sane world, that would be appropriate. However, we must speak out, protest , but do not lower to the personal demonization that the rrwingers love to do.

[jaxx]

27. Unrec for inciting the kind of thing that is counter productive.

I urge you to read the thread that came behind the OP. It's ugly.

[lamp_shade]

34. Unrec. n/t

[BzaDem]

35. Unrec nt

[lpbk2713]

41. K&U

:thumbsdown:

[madrchsod]

44. sorry debbie....

when the far right has a gun pointed at the left i think it`s time to take a stand.

[ecstatic]

50. If she is linking it to the violence, then she is wrong; however,

some parts of the left do need to tone it down. Every little thing, no matter how small, causes uproar and outrage amongst our side. It's time to choose our battles more appropriately so as not to be dismissed entirely.

[polmaven]

51. Unrec ...

This is totally ridiculous.

[TheKentuckian]

58. I rec but cannot overcome the flood of "sensible centrist" defending the rhetoric of another

Call out the murderous criminal TeaPubliKlans or shut the fuck up.

There is no both sides. That is a fucking lie designed to take the heat off the wrongdoers.

[PBS Poll-435]

60. You probably should shut up. nt

[wndycty]

61. She has a job, actually a few. . .

. . .maybe you should get a job?

[dionysus]

62. hookay internet tuff guy...

:eyes:

[FLAprogressive]

64. you just attacked a DU sacred cow. DWS can do no wrong here.

[cry baby]

65. very sad to hear talk like that about this democrat.

I think she is right to call for calm. Leaders do that sort of thing.

[justiceischeap]

66. Oh come on! Engage your brains and see what Wasserman is doing

I know the left isn't using the kind of language and imagery that the right is, we ALL know that, including Wasserman. However, she, nor any other politician, can say, "It's all the right's fault!" because as soon as they do, they will drudge up some example of where someone on the left said something deplorable. Could you imagine how riled up the right would get if the left WASN'T included in those statements?

Many will decry my statement as a Wasserman sympathizer but in the current climate, we, i.e., Dems, don't need to make ourselves further targets by pissing off MORE nut jobs with guns and no sense. There has to be some diplomacy in language, especially so close to the horrible events that happened in AZ when the nut jobs are considering copy catting Loughner.