livingonearth
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Sat Jul-30-11 03:54 PM
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My "job creator" likes to work me a mandatory 12 hour shift, every day. |
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I guess I should be grateful to at least have a job, but it gets a little old after awhile.
Sometimes I think if my "job creator" were to work me and my coworkers a few less hours there might be room for others to be hired. Those new hires could help stimulate the economy with their new paychecks. But alas, that's not likely to happen anytime soon. You see, my "job creator" has been working people mandatory 12 hour shifts for many years, long before the Bush tax cuts. As far as I can tell, the Bush tax cuts never helped anyone get a job where I work. In fact, I believe you took away all taxes from my "job creator" nothing would change.
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Sat Jul-30-11 04:00 PM
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1. Reminds me of a story about Prop 13 in California |
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Edited on Sat Jul-30-11 04:00 PM by bluestateguy
This was the mandatory property tax cut enacted by voters in 1978.
The pro-13 side campaigned for the initiative to renters, arguing that if landlords had to pay lower property taxes, they would pass the savings down to renters in the form of lower rents.
Well Prop 13 passed by a big margin, and by all accounts got a lot of votes from lower income renters, who were persuaded by these arguments.
A relative of mine was one of these renters. His rent was raised anyway. His landlord simply pocketed the tax savings for himself. When he asked for his rent to be lowered due to Prop 13, he was told that if he didn't like living there he could leave. Problem is, there was no evidence in his town that any of the apartment owners reduced rents. They chose to pocket the tax savings for themselves.
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Sat Jul-30-11 04:12 PM
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6. Yup...Like those who want "tort reform" to supposedly bring down the cost of malpractice insurance |
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for doctors...Apart from the fact that most court cases involve
corporations suing each other, it doesn't "lower" the rate
of insurance for doctors, either, except, perhaps, for a short time.
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Sat Jul-30-11 06:29 PM
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29. Just like the airlines have done this week, because of no... |
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reauthorization for the FAA.
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napoleon_in_rags
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Sat Jul-30-11 04:00 PM
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2. It depends on what you do, I guess. |
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I've worked jobs that weren't physically strenuous with 12s, and I love em. I love knocking out the majority of my 40 week in three days, then having days to chill out.
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livingonearth
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Sat Jul-30-11 04:05 PM
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4. The job is very physical, and requires full attention. |
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It's driving, loading and unloading a truck.
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Sat Jul-30-11 04:21 PM
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Sat Jul-30-11 04:23 PM
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20. Short haul truckers are the most overworked. |
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No inconvenient DOT regs to worry about.
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livingonearth
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Sat Jul-30-11 04:13 PM
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8. This job is every day. |
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That's 5 times 12 for a 60 hour mandatory work week.
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Sat Jul-30-11 04:22 PM
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Sorry to hear that.
I wish we could trade, let me do that a couple times a week to alleviate boredom, you do my job a couple days a week to relax.
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Sat Jul-30-11 04:02 PM
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3. My "job creator" hasn't given me a raise in 5 years. |
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Sat Jul-30-11 04:21 PM
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18. No raise since 1996 here. nt |
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Sat Jul-30-11 04:05 PM
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5. It'd be cheaper for your "job creator" to actually |
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create a part-time job for someone else, rather than pay you time and a half for overtime...wouldn't it?
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livingonearth
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Sat Jul-30-11 04:12 PM
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7. Not really, or they would have done that long ago. |
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Think of it this way: if two employees work 4 hours at time and a half, the "job creator" gets an extra 8 hours at half price.
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Sat Jul-30-11 05:38 PM
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23. Lovely. Hadn't realized that. And 12 hour shifts |
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make it harder to have the time to find new work.
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Sat Jul-30-11 04:14 PM
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There are generally no benefits on overtime. No more sick leave, vacation health, insurance, holiday pay, whatever. Mine come to about $12.00 per hour. If you add the personnel costs of hiring it often costs less per hour to pay overtime. Twelve hours is too long for any human being to work. I have done it and you might as well not have a life.
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Sat Jul-30-11 04:19 PM
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14. Easier to classify a job as "exempt" |
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That way you don't have to deal with that pesky overtime. That's also why you see a lot of jobs labeled "Account Manager" or "Project Manager" or " Manager" when a lot of them are pretty straight-forward and well-defined.
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Sat Jul-30-11 04:14 PM
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9. This sounds like it might be illegal?...Or is that only if said job creator doesn't pay overtime? |
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Sat Jul-30-11 04:19 PM
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Edited on Sat Jul-30-11 04:21 PM by Confusious
the requirement is only overtime for more then 40 hours a week. doesn't matter how you get there. there is no 8 hour a day rule.
I have friends who work 10 hours days with the weekend and a weekday off. Arizona rules.
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Sat Jul-30-11 05:56 PM
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Sat Jul-30-11 04:14 PM
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11. You miserable wretches, all of you. |
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Be grateful to your Creator.
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Sat Jul-30-11 04:17 PM
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12. I see that not everyone in this thread gets that you're salaried. |
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Sat Jul-30-11 04:19 PM
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This is an on the clock job.
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Sat Jul-30-11 04:24 PM
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21. well then at least you get paid for the overtime |
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Sat Jul-30-11 05:46 PM
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24. LOL, definitely not salaried here. nt |
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Sat Jul-30-11 04:21 PM
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17. But if your "job creator" were taxed more, he/she would have an incentive to hire |
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more employees since they would then allow for greater tax deductions.
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Sat Jul-30-11 04:27 PM
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22. My "job creator" still owes me $34,000 for a completed contract. |
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But he's hiding behind his LLC so I can't sue.
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Sat Jul-30-11 05:53 PM
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25. If tax cuts created jobs.. |
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...we'd be swimming in jobs right now. The Big Lie about tax cuts and jobs has been repeated so often that brainwashed people, even Democrats, actually believe it.
Along with that obvious lie they also believe that it is possible to achieve "victory" in Iraq and/or Afghanistan, that Democrats are responsible for most deficit spending and a host of other sound bite facts that are simply untrue.
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Sat Jul-30-11 05:57 PM
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27. I just applied for a job like that. |
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My former neighbor works that job, and he gets several days off in a row. I am not sure how many days in a row he has to work that shift, but I guess it comes out to averaging 40 hour weeks.
My current temp job is 4 tens. I prefer it that way, and work these hours by choice. I like having Fridays off so I can avoid the crowds (and my former co-workers) when I run errands.
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Sat Jul-30-11 05:59 PM
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28. I sure hope you're not on salary |
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So u can at least be paid for those hours. I used to work for a major US corporation that demanded 50-60 hours a week. All for a 40 hr week's pay, of course. Comply or be fired. I was lucky to have enough years in to retire, after 10 yrs of that.
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