Would we be in better shape with Hillary instead of Obama?

[newmexicodem]

Would the debt ceilings talks have been different?

Would we have public option as Hillary vigorously campaigned for during the primaries?

Just curious if any of the folks who supported Obama and threw Hillary Clinton and her husband under the bus are having buyers remorse. I wonder if all of the Super Delegates during the primaries that back-stabbed Hillary despite her having the clear popular vote lead at the Convention have regrets now that Social Security and Medicare are on the cutting table. Most people even tried to erase her completely off the face of the map when they refused to select her as a VP candidate. But we got our change and hope alright

Bill Clinton was clear in saying he would have gone the 14th Amendment way and let the legal matters come as they may. Bill Clinton didn't back down when Newt Grinrich tried his COntract with America and shut down the government in 1996. Clinton came out the perceived winner and polls support that.

[TheWraith]

1. No. But enjoy your stay on DU, and your complimentary pizza. nt

[newmexicodem]

3. just nastalgic

Don't get me wrong. I will vote for Obama again in the General as he will run unopposed in the primaries it appears. But just craving public option and Clinton-era 90s when it was all sunshine and rainbows

[peace frog]

29. "just nostalgic" for what?

"Clinton-era 90s when it was all sunshine and rainbows"!1!! We need a *sunshine lollypops and rainbows* gif for that one. Cue Leslie Gore. :rofl:

Thanks for the laugh, I really needed one today. I'll remember this for a long time. **wiping tears of hilarity**

[movonne]

2. They are all the same....the Clintons are DLCers and that is one

reason I didn't want her...but it look like Obama is one and kept it hidden...

[emulatorloo]

4. We would be better off if the electorate had not voted for TeaBaggers in2010

Primary season is over.

DU needs to get over its denial about the 2010 election results. Lawrence O'Donnell noted on election night that the results meant Republicans were going to hold the country hostage over raising the debt ceiling.

[blogslut]

5. Does it matter?

Hillary Clinton is not the president and no amount of "what iffing" is going to make it so.

[hlthe2b]

6. I really don't know...

As much as I think many of our problems are the direct result of racism directed towards Obama--conceivably including some reticence on the part of the administration to do anything to incite more threats of violence as a result of this racism... I am not really convinced that the misogyny still inherent on the RW does not come close to equaling that fervor. As paradoxical as the teabagger embrace of Palin and Bachman might seem, I remind those who might give benefit of the doubt that it is only the "attractive youngish " conservative women that manage to escape their knee-jerk opposition. Do you ever hear them gushing over Kay Bailey Hutchison for example?

I remember the overt hatred directed towards HRC during the Clinton years and find it hard to be convinced that would not be even more in play if she were President.

[murielm99]

26. I think it would be worse if she were President.

Not in terms of what she would do, but in terms of misogyny.

Racism and misogyny can't really be equated. But there is plenty of misogyny in our own party. There are plenty of Democratic men willing to stab their own female leaders in the back. Those men would be backstabbing Hillary.

I have been a leader on the local and county level of the party. I have felt it, and seen other women in the Democratic Party bear the brunt of it as well.

I am sure there is plenty of racism in our party, too. I don't see quite as much of it where I live, but it is there. And Obama is from my state.

I agree that many of the problems are the direct result of racism. And no one wants to talk about it.

What would she do if she were President? She isn't President. I don't even want to get into any of that. We don't know.

[DURHAM D]

7. This is a duplicate.

One of these threads is already going. Why don't you delete this flamebait and join it?

[sabrina 1]

8. I don't think so. There really was never much difference

between them. I ended up supporting Obama because he had opposed the war and I could never have supported any Democrat who voted for that war. But now I believe that if Obama had been in the Senate he would have voted for it anyhow.

She supported mandated insurance, he said he didn't, but then did in the end. Her foreign policies would have the same, maybe even worse.

I'm at the point where I don't think it matters who is in the WH, they will have to pursue the Corporate/MIC agenda. We have to focus on Congress, that's the only hope of seeing any changes imo..

[Luminous Animal]

9. No. The oligarch has spoken and, without a doubt, Clinton is an intregal part of the oligarch.

[killbotfactory]

10. Would we be in better shape with a strong filibuster-proof democratic congress?

There would be no debt ceiling crisis.
Leiberman and other Blue dogs wouldn't be able to kill the public option.

The GOP welcomes your support.

[Blue_In_AK]

11. Water under the bridge.

Who knows? I think Obama's willingness to over-compromise has allowed the Republicans to drive the agenda. I think the Obama administration has sucked at messaging. But I can't say whether Hillary would have been better. It really doesn't matter at this point, because we are where we are.

[FreakinDJ]

12. Instead of Muslim Jokes we would have 3 days a month jokes

[mysuzuki2]

27. i think she's past that "period" in her life.

i do think that she would have been a lot tougher negotiator than Obama.

[bigwillq]

13. No (nt)

[Rageneau]

14. Say what you will - The Clintons were smart, capable, and PISSED OFF at the wingnuts.

Obama seems to like and trust these GOP assh*les entirely too much.

[emilyg]

18. Correct.

[DonCoquixote]

28. and also eager to prove

They could hippie punch and demonize minorities as much as any GOP could. Sorry, I for one am glad Hillary did not get her war with Iran that Tel Aviv has had on backorder.

[scarletwoman]

15. Squirrel!

[Life Long Dem]

16. Social Security and Medicare are not on the cutting table.

[Posteritatis]

17. I actually think the GOP would become even more unhinged than they have been

The ire they directed at her baffled me in the nineties (and for a few years afterwards, when they kept..bringing..it up...); they seemed to hate her more than Bill Clinton.

[Blue-Jay]

19. Of course!

Because we're all psychic.

[AlabamaLibrul]

20. Hillary is a DLC tool (nt)

[CakeGrrl]

21. Woulda, Shoulda, Coulda...won't put Hillary in the WH. -nt

[gkhouston]

22. Pointless speculation. n/t

[stevedeshazer]

23. No.

[JDPriestly]

24. No. Clinton and Obama get their money from the same Wall Street crowd.

Obama's big mistake is that he filled his cabinet with friends of Hillary and Bill.

Start with Robert Rubin and then just keep connecting the dots.

We need someone other than a Clinton or Obama.

The Clintons and Obama sold out long ago.

There used to be a video of Code Pink women trying to persuade Hillary Clinton that she should not support the war in Iraq. They explained that they had visited Iraq and that Bush was lying about the situation there. Hillary was so rude it was unbelievable. I have not liked her since watching that video.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

25. Doubtful. One ambitious New Democrat is much lika another.

I originally thought "Well, at least Obama isn't a Clinton". But, his actions (or lack of actions) dispelled that notion.

[tanyev]

30. Doubt it.

I've seen lots of threads about the GOP hatred of Obama being motivated by racism, but they would have gone after Hillary just as bad, or worse, with different details.

Would a more aggressive response from her have solved problems, or escalated them? If she had responded pragmatically, then there would still be a large contingent of former supporters ready to toss her under the bus.