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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 12:20 PM
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Third Way's`Latest: More Grand Bargain Gifts We Should Give to Republicans
We`need to help Obama compromise with Republicans more so this delicious Grand Bargain dream really can come true.

Get the people back to work with more FTA, drill baby, drill! (responsibly, of course) , speed up foreclosures and get the hopeless undeserving deadbeats out of their homes for good: "Rip the bandaid off." Fast. In the spirit of American Capitalism, create immigrant citizenship lotteries and/or auction them off (let US business owners buy them: "U.S. employers, which are both flush with cash and worried about the thinness of America’s ranks of engineers and other highly skilled workers, could buy spots for would-be citizens who would help their businesses".) Repeal more federal regulation. (See The National Labor Relations Board). And much more.

All this under the aegis of getting America Back To Work (6 Ways).

From their press release page http://www.thirdway.org/in_the_news comes this Cover Story article in the National Journal. (3 pages).

On Jobs, Grand Bargains for Politicians to Get America Back to Work
Remember the unemployed? With the debt limit raised, here’s how to help them.

Updated: August 5, 2011 | 8:20 a.m.
August 4, 2011 | 5:48 p.m.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/magazine/some-possible-grand-bargains-on-jobs-and-unemployment-20110804

Just a taste:




Open and improve trade.
First, because it’s the easiest. Republicans get swift passage of pending free-trade agreements with South Korea, Panama, and Colombia, along with accelerated negotiations toward a Trans-Pacific trading partnership with other Asian nations. Democrats get a diplomatically delicate—but wildly popular among voters at home—law authorizing the administration to retaliate against China for suppressing the value of its currency. Leveling the currency playing field would boost U.S. exports to China, perhaps dramatically (unless it sparks a trade war, which seems unlikely because that would be in neither country’s interest). The total package of freer, fairer trade could support more than 2 million new jobs, according to cumulative calculations from the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the Economic Policy Institute.

Stabilize the housing market. Housing, the recovery’s biggest drag, has confounded the White House and Congress, and with good reason. The market is still working through a glut of foreclosures that started with homeowners who bought more than they could afford, and then spread to more-responsible borrowers who lost jobs in the financial crisis. An oversupply of cheap, repossessed homes has helped sink housing prices nationwide to their lowest levels in a decade, adjusted for inflation. Falling values have erased trillions of dollars in wealth for Americans who have kept their houses, spurring consumers to save more and spend less and robbing entrepreneurs of a tried-and-true tool—home-equity loans—for starting or expanding a small business. “You don’t have a very good shot at sustained job growth unless you address the largest factor holding it back, which is demand,” says Robert Shapiro, a former Clinton administration economic adviser who now runs the consulting firm Sonecon. “You can’t get demand going until housing prices stabilize.”

Therein lies another possible bargain: Obama and Republicans could agree to try a double-barreled attempt to get foreclosure rates back to historically normal levels. They could reverse the administration’s recent efforts to slow the foreclosure process for delinquent borrowers and, instead, take steps to shuttle the most-troubled home­owners—the ones who borrowed beyond their means—out of their houses and into rental units as fast as possible. Keith Hennessey, a former economic adviser to President George W. Bush, compares that effort to removing a Band-Aid: “Policies for several years now—including under the administration I worked for—have focused on trying to keep people in their homes,” says Hennessey, now a research fellow at Stanford University’s Hoover Institution. “That stretches out the problem,” pulling the bandage off slowly. Maybe now, he says, it’s time to “rip it off really fast. Stop trying to help keep people who can’t afford to be in their homes stay in their homes.”

(snip)

Drill, responsibly, drill. Obama has tried an expanded oil-exploration bargain before, but the massive spill in the Gulf of Mexico scuttled it. BP’s summerlong gusher last year exposed serious flaws in how the government polices deepwater drilling, including an insufficient corps of safety regulators and an embarrassing failure to anticipate that new technologies to drill several thousand feet below the ocean surface might also bring new risks. While the Interior Department revamped its oversight procedures, permits for Gulf drilling slowed and, with them, job-creation potential.

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Erose999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 12:29 PM
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1. Rec'd. "Summerlong gusher" - they make the BP spill sound like a fucking water park ride.



Whee!! Carcinogens and shit!! This is fun!!
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 01:55 PM
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18. You noticed that, too.
eom
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 12:31 PM
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2. Corporate DFree Trade is one of the problems -- Why are they pimping for that?
I know....silly me.

Obama and his staff are pimping for it too, unfortunately
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dtexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 12:55 PM
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3. Because it's what pimps do.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 01:01 PM
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4. Oh GOOD! ...MORE "Free Trade".
I'm still waiting on my new High Paying NAFTA Job.
Its only been 17 years, those jobs should be showing up any day now!
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Yep. ANY day now.



I can't believe that ANY "Democrat" would still be pimping "Free Trade" and "Free Markets".
"Free Trade" was invented by RICH Corporate OWNERS as a way to avoid Human Rights, Labor Rights, Environmental Protections, Bust UNIONS, and access Slave Labor in 3rd World countries.
It has Worked Exactly as it was Designed.

MORE "Free Trade WILL cost MORE American Jobs,
but WILL raise the Profit margins of Giant Corporations.

It is time America had a Political party that represented the lower 98% who have to Work for a Living.
I am beyond disgust.


Shut Up and Eat Your Peas



"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans.
I want a party that will STAND UP for Working Americans."
---Paul Wellstone


photo by bvar22
Shortly before Sen Wellstone was killed



"By their WORKS you will know them."



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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 01:05 PM
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7. "I am beyond disgust"
You are not the only one. But at least we are learning what the problem is with the Democratic Party. Maybe knowing it will help to fix it.

Their ideas are far more in line with the Republican Party. I hope our Party will give them the attention they deserve.

Let them peddle these rightwing ideas to the party they really belong to.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 01:30 PM
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13. Yep
and your final sigline "By their works" is always an excellent one, here.

What do Obama's new top appointments have in common?
http://www.idealtaxes.com/post3287.shtml

Thanks, bvar.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 01:02 PM
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5. They've got all the Republican talking points, don't they?
It was homeowners who crashed the economy. Have they forgotten the corruption, the criminal activity that caused the Mortgage Crisis? I see they choose to forget that and 'look forward'. Sure, let's kick more Americans out of their homes so that 'entrepreneurs' can profit.

I guess they plan was to buy up all those homes and profit from them. But the plan didn't quite work out because when you impoverish the working class, no one can buy those homes at the prices they thought the banks could get for them. So, rather than think of PEOPLE, you know, HUMAN BEINGS, their focus, just like Republicans, is on 'profit' ~ at any cost to the American Middle Class.

Who ARE these morons? Even when their ideas FAIL, as we are experiencing right now, they don't quit.

A couple of months ago Sen. Levin's bi-partisan committee's two year study of what caused the financial meltdown, concluded that there was huge fraud, criminality and general corruption that needed to be addressed. Levin and his Republican counterpart recommeded their findings to the DOJ.

The story died when the Osama Bin Laden story took over the news media.

I notice too how they recommend that the WH work with REPUBLICANS. Have they never heard of the OTHER PARTY?

This is the root cause of the problems with the Democratic Party and why they are not fighting for the people. The Third Way! It even sounds Orwellian!
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 01:23 PM
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11. Great points, Sabrina
as always. Thank you.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 01:05 PM
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6. They're just full of ideas. Super Congress SS & Medicare cuts, and now speeding up foreclosures
and drilling. They are just full of ideas for this administration, aren't they?

www.thirdway.org

Once again, these are "Democrats" in OUR party. These are the same people who will be sitting on OUR side of the table in the Super Congress negotiations.

They may differ on some social issues, but these Democratic corporatists have the very same economic agenda as the Republican corporatists. They are coming for us.

Strong K&R


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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 01:31 PM
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14. How right you are, woo
And we need to keep talking about it.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 01:06 PM
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8. They never stop, do they?
Those think tanks are turning this country into a right wing GOP.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 01:22 PM
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10. Hey -- What's so rtight wing about the Heritage Foundation?
Just good old Mainstream Americanism funded by ordinary people like you and me.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 01:54 PM
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17. +1
You've probably seen this, but for anyone interested, who hasn't:

Funding and connections

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2445516&mesg_id=2445516

Great post loaded with links that need followed. Especially the things you can find on RightWeb (and Sourcewatch)

http://rightweb.irc-online.org/

http://www.rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/Progressive_Policy_Institute
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 01:41 PM
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15. Too true, mad, and we really, really need
Edited on Fri Aug-05-11 01:42 PM by chill_wind
people to follow the money and the agenda.




The Third Way: Conservative Democrats’ Front for Wall Street and a Primrose Path to a Poorer Middle Class

April 5, 2011 by David Kingsley

Some of the major “buzz” amongst Washington insiders and the national media these days is about a so-called “moderate” group of Democrats who are eschewing extremists on the left of the Democratic Party and making ready to make the “hard choices” on the budget deficit. This relatively new organization is called the Third Way. Since this group is just one more power-elite and Wall Street front group, you can translate “hard choices” to mean “cut the budget deficit on the backs of the middle class by reducing Social Security and Medicare benefits. “Extremist” can be translated to mean any Democrat unwilling to buy into the mean spirited Simpson/Bowles recommendations, e.g. Representative Jan Schakowsky, Senator Sherrod Brown, and all other progressives in the Democratic Party.

Democrats associated with this “let’s whack Social Security” wing of the Democratic Party includes a smattering of rather moderate Democrats plus some very conservative current and past office holders. Past office holders include Blanche Lincoln, Mark Pryor, and our very own Kathleen Sibelius. Current office holders associated with the Third Way include Claire McCaskill, James Clyburn, Kay Hagen, John Dingell, Chris Coons and others.

I can’t find any evidence that these Democrats display much interest in reining in the defense budget or restructuring the tax system in such a manner that it is not rigged against the middle classes. Perhaps that has something to do with the Third Way Board of Trustees – almost all of whom come from Wall Street. The following is the list of the Third Way Board of Trustees:

(snip)

http://tallgrassactivist.wordpress.com/2011/04/05/the-third-way-conservative-democrats%E2%80%99-front-for-wall-street-and-a-primrose-path-to-a-poorer-middle-class/
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 02:34 PM
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19. It looks like we are getting a list of who needs to be
given primary challenges. Taking the Party back would have to mean ridding of these Third Way 'Wall St. Puppets'.

'Claire McCaskill, James Clyburn, Kay Hagen, John Dingell, Chris Coons'

Are any of them up for reelection in 2012? Of course it doesn't help that the WH and Biden are appointing these people to the cabinet. Otoh, it does help explain why they refuse to stand up for SS.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 03:24 PM
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20. In The House:
NDC Membership
Joseph Crowley (NY-07), Chair
Jim Himes (CT-04), Vice-Chair
Rick Larsen (WA-02), Vice-Chair
Ron Kind (WI-03), Vice-Chair
Allyson Schwartz (PA-13), Vice-Chair

Jason Altmire (PA-04)
John Barrow (GA-12)
Shelley Berkley (NV-01)
Lois Capps (CA-23)
Russ Carnahan (MO-03)
John Carney (DE-At Large)
André Carson (IN-07)
Gerry Connolly (VA-11)
Jim Cooper (TN-05)
Joe Courtney (CT-02)
Susan Davis (CA-53)
Eliot Engel (NY-17)
Gabby Giffords (AZ-08)
Charles Gonzalez (TX-20)
Colleen Hanabusa (HI-01)
Martin Heinrich (NM-01)
Brian Higgins (NY-27)
Rush Holt (NJ-12)
Jay Inslee (WA-01)
Carolyn McCarthy (NY-04)
Mike McIntyre (NC-07)
Gregory Meeks (NY-06)
Jim Moran (VA-08)
Chris Murphy (CT-05)
Bill Owens (NY-23)
Ed Perlmutter (CO-07)
Gary Peters (MI-09)
Pedro Pierluisi (PR-At Large)
Jared Polis (CO-02)
Laura Richardson (CA-37)
Cedric Richmond (LA-02)
Loretta Sanchez (CA-47)
Adam Schiff (CA-29)
Kurt Schrader (OR-05)
David Scott (GA-13)
Terri Sewell (AL-07)
Adam Smith (WA-09)


http://ndc.crowley.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=63%3Amembers-text-only&catid=36%3Amembers&Itemid=54

NewDemPAC

http://www.ndcpac.com/


http://www.thirdway.org/co_chairs

(they also had a fair membership in the Senate Centrist Coalition made up of Republicans and Democrats in recent past Congresses):


http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Senate_Centrist_Coalition


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senate_Centrist_Coalition

I haven't located an updated list.

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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 01:21 PM
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9. It will be interesting to see
how the debate on this goes and who supports what:



Pelosi pushes back against Obama-backed free-trade agreements
By Mike Lillis - 08/03/11 03:07 PM ET

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi pushed back Wednesday against several pending free-trade agreements championed by President Obama.

The California Democrat signaled doubts that looming trade deals with South Korea, Panama and Colombia would benefit U.S. workers. President Obama on Tuesday called on Congress to approve the deals, which he and Republicans argue would create jobs.

“The White House may support it, but the Congress may have a different view,” Pelosi warned on MSNBC.



more: http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/1005-trade/175285-pelosi-pushes-back-against-obama-backed-trade-deals
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alsame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 01:27 PM
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12. I really hope those who question why the Third Way/DLC/NDC are
Edited on Fri Aug-05-11 01:35 PM by alsame
so bad get a good look at this. It hits every GOP talking point. And, unfortunately, Obama is surrounded by these people.

ETA: And that "No Labels" group is right wing bullshit too.
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hifiguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 01:44 PM
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16. Obviously these "Turd Way" cretins
lack the personal integrity and moral fiber to be pimps or crack dealers. :banghead::grr:
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 03:27 PM
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21. Listen folks Blair was so called 3rd way
so was Patterson here in Jamaica.
There is no third way - you are either pro-the majority of the people or pro-rich. You either promote the social good or you don't - there is no in between.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 04:07 PM
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22. It 's no coincidence. PPI Will Marshall was hooked in.
The Institute also has been integral to the spread of “Third Way” thinking to center-left parties in Europe and elsewhere. Marshall is an honorary Vice-President of Policy Network, an international think tank launched by Tony Blair to promote progressive policy ideas throughout the democratic world

http://progressivefix.com/will-marshall

I agree with you 100 percent!

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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 05:26 PM
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24. Yes, I agree with you. But in order to infiltrate the Democratic
Party, they could not come right out and promote Republican ideas and expect to be welcome. So, setting up these 'policy' think tanks, funded by, who knows by whom, they were able to claim to be 'Democrats' and 'for the people' and influence who got elected. Think about how puzzled we, at least some of us, used to be when there was a good Progressive candidate doing well in a campaign, only to have the Dem Leadership back a more conservative candidate.

Sometimes, even if it meant losing to a Republican, they would not back the Progressive candidate. It didn't make sense then. But now it does. A Republican is far more in line with their 'policies' once you know who they are.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 04:16 PM
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23. K&R
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 05:39 PM
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25. It's all pretty disgusting from the top down.
Wonder why the righties haven't noticed their soul mates in the Democratic Party? Free trade, blame the victim on the sub prime crisis, and the classic they all love, drill baby drill. If they spoke at a rightwing convention, they would bring the house down. Send them an invitation to the next CPAC convention.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 09:19 PM
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26. For some reason
that gave me a flashback to another barn-burner speech at an RNC event-- by lefty-hatin Zell.



Remember Zell Miller? In 2003, he wrote a book, "A National Party No More," assailing Democrats for moving far to the left and eliminating any chance of capturing a national majority. He had a star turn delivering a high profile endorsement speech for George W. Bush at the 2004 Republican National Convention. Then things started to go sort of badly for Bush, and Miller has been laying pretty low.

Except that it turns out he's now one of the last holdouts at the Newt Gingrich presidential campaign. Here's the very last passage of an AP story about the Gingrich campaign implosion/exodus:



And not everyone was running for the hills.

"Of course I'm not leaving him," former Georgia Gov. Zell Miller, a maverick Democrat and national co-chairman of Gingrich's campaign, said in an interview. "I'm as strong for him as ever, and that's strong."



He still has his finger on the pulse of America.



Left Behind In Newt Campaign Rapture: Zell Miller
http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-chait/89777/left-behind-in-newt-campaign-rapture-zell-miller

:rofl:

There was only ever one Zell. And for the sake of Democrats everywhere, I hope we can keep at least that much of things that way.

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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 09:32 PM
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27. Let's appoint Sarah Palin to something while we're at it -- Treasury or Energy?
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 12:25 AM
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28. Education! Maybe next term.
No Republican Left Behind!
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