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Playinghardball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 01:19 PM
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The Most Widely Known Secret People Are Writing On $1 Bills
Source: MoveOn.org

It’s today’s message in a bottle. Will recipients take heed?



http://front.moveon.org/the-most-widely-known-secret-people-are-writing-on-1-bills/
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 01:23 PM
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1. Yeah, so what?
I mean, what can the average person actually do in response to this message? Email your senator? Are you kidding? They never read that shit. Withhold support? Hell, those are their campaign contributors. Why would they do anything?
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 01:28 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. Your response is part of the problem. Apparently you want inaction & apathy. Cynics prefer those
because they help validate their world view.
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Cirque du So-What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 02:02 PM
Response to Reply #2
6. 'Crabs in a pot' syndrome
Edited on Fri Aug-05-11 02:37 PM by Cirque du So-What
Crab mentality, sometimes referred to as crabs in the bucket, describes a way of thinking best described by the phrase "if I can't have it, neither can you." The metaphor refers to a pot of crabs. Individually, the crabs could easily escape from the pot, but instead, they grab at each other in a useless "king of the hill" competition (or sabotage) which prevents any from escaping and ensures their collective demise. The analogy in human behavior is that of a group that will attempt to "pull down" (negate or diminish the importance of) any member who achieves success beyond the others, out of envy, conspiracy or competitive feelings.

This term is broadly associated with short-sighted, non-constructive thinking rather than a unified, long-term, constructive mentality. It is also often used colloquially in reference to individuals or communities attempting to "escape" a so-called "underprivileged life," but kept from doing so by others attempting to ride upon their coat-tails or those who simply resent their success.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality

It's all I can figure when I see someone take the actual time to compose a post (admittedly it doesn't take much in the way of time or energy to tippy-tap a few words of discouragement, however) that mocks any effort toward improving our collective lot in life. I mean, if one thinks things are hopeless, that's one thing...but when one goes out of one's way to attempt spreading apathy & despair, that's quite another.
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 03:19 PM
Response to Reply #6
9. Please tell me how rubber stamping this message will improve anything...
and patting oneself on the back for cheering such an ineffectual act us delusional. So dream on.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 04:11 PM
Response to Reply #9
18. tell me how a single rain drop can erode a boulder? If enough
raindrops fall it happens. Each person reading that is one thought among many. The more that see it the more it erodes the fog we all wander in. that's how it happens. One light in the darkness illuminating another and another. that is the only way real change has ever happened.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 10:46 PM
Response to Reply #18
98. Agree -- this is a good example of independent action -- buttons are another great idea --
we should all be wearing them --

GOP'S UNCLE SAM IS A DEAD BEAT --

MEDICARE FOR ALL --

80% OF US WANT AN END TO THE WARS --

76% OF US WANT MEDICARE FOR ALL --

END THE WARS -- STOP BANKRUPTING THE TREASURY --

PATRIOT ACT IS TREASON --



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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 08:46 AM
Response to Reply #98
134. Another suggestion:
Buy a package of Avery Labels and print pithy facts and comments on them. Post them at bus stops and any other location where the GP is likely to read them.

Oh, and:

Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has.

Margaret Mead, (1901 - 1978)

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 11:09 PM
Response to Reply #134
162. Thank you -- - :)
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 04:20 PM
Response to Reply #9
23. Read on this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pamphleteer

How do you think people start down the radicalization process?
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 04:48 PM
Response to Reply #23
30. Yes, now I remember Tom Paine stamping those pound notes...
thanks.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 04:54 PM
Response to Reply #30
32. He dud the equivalent
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tomg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 09:01 PM
Response to Reply #32
78. As usual,
You are spot on. When I first saw this op, the first thing that hit me was the potential. You have it dead to rights.

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Cirque du So-What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 05:08 PM
Response to Reply #30
35. Check this out:
The Use of Bank Notes as an Instrument of Propaganda

A lengthy passage on its use in the American Revolutionary era.
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Fantastic Anarchist Donating Member (953 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 05:20 PM
Response to Reply #35
40. Oh, I love subversion!!!! n/t
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 05:28 PM
Response to Reply #35
42. Fascinating!
I love the one with the altered image of the German worker with a vampire sucking its neck. Some things never change, eh?
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 11:36 PM
Response to Reply #42
110. You could see the vampire?
I spent 10 or 15 minutes staring at that damn thing, trying to see it! Zoom in, zoom out, zoom in, zoom out!


NO LUCK! :grr:

May I beg some help from you?
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 10:26 AM
Response to Reply #110
147. when you turn it sideways, the whole neck is the ghoul face
You are looking too close I think. :)
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 10:34 AM
Response to Reply #147
148. No joy.
:banghead:
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 11:36 PM
Response to Reply #35
111. Very neat. I read it and saved it! n/t
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 05:19 PM
Response to Reply #30
39. committees of correspondence communicate subversive ideas in many ways
Today, message boards are the modern equivalent...the stamp on the bill is more like V for Vendetta. Or if you want an even more revolutionary example, think of Christians drawing their fish symbol or making the sign of the cross. THe idea is spread. Slowly but through far more hands and for less effort than it took for one person to decide to make their money talk as well as walk.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 09:14 PM
Response to Reply #30
80. And your suggestions are so much better. nm
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 10:49 PM
Response to Reply #23
99. Great point -- and didn't the Founders begin with the Dec of Independence in that way?
Edited on Fri Aug-05-11 10:59 PM by defendandprotect
And wasn't it actually criminal at the time to distribute it?


Thomas Paine's Common Sense was distributed by hand --

French used this method of writing on bills -- "all are equal" --

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Chorophyll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 04:54 PM
Response to Reply #9
31. Better to do absolutely nothing
than to possibly enlighten one person somewhere, huh?

Jeezus.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 06:19 PM
Response to Reply #31
48. I think that's the plan. n/t
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 07:08 PM
Response to Reply #31
57. No, better to think of something that actually works....
Let me know how to stem the flow of corporate corruption of our election process and I'm with you.
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Chorophyll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 08:12 PM
Response to Reply #57
67. Well, since you're the one who's intent on dousing a clever idea
that might at least cause someone somewhere to think, why don't YOU try to come with something more efficacious? Huh?
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 09:18 PM
Response to Reply #57
82. So if we can't steam roll them down in a mass there is nothing else
we can do? Then don't do it. It's okay. there will be others. They will be handing the bills to the people out there wondering if they are all alone in what they feel and they will find out they aren't. I am sure that is how the protest in Wisconsin came about, the crowds coming together because one or two people told one or two people.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 11:15 PM
Response to Reply #57
106. Knowledge is power. Most Americans do not get information
from their news sources so a majority of them have no idea about the way wealthy Corps get away without paying taxes or very little. Generating mass anger at injustices has been done in different ways throughout history and when enough people are angry, things happen.

See Egypt, Tunisia eg, who once they had enough information on the extent of the greed and corruption of their Regimes and the contrast between the lifestyle of the ruling class and ordinary people, they rose up against those injustices. There were many catalysts for this, one of which was the Wikileaks revelations which confirmed what they suspected but now had absolute proof.

We cannot rely on our media to inform the people, since the media is part of the problem.

Something like this can reach untold numbers of people and can contribute, along with other methods, to informing the population of something they have a right to know.

No one is saying that alone, this will change everything, but combined with other actions, it can be very effective.

I think it's a great idea and it doesn't even cost anything.
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verges Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 10:17 AM
Response to Reply #106
145. The rubber stamp will cost something. nt
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caseymoz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 01:24 AM
Response to Reply #57
118. A lot of stopping it is luck.

Nothing any of the Founders of this country did would have worked, except they got lucky. The Battle of Yorktown has rightfully been called a miracle. So, now we call them geniuses.

But you never get lucky if you don't play. Let's put a messages on dollar bills. And try other things.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 06:22 PM
Response to Reply #9
49. If advertising didn't work, ad companies wouldn't spend billions doing it.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 11:00 PM
Response to Reply #49
101. So true -- !!
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 06:35 PM
Response to Reply #9
51. there are a lot of negative mindsets that feel this way. the way things change is by small acts...
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Fuddnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 08:37 PM
Response to Reply #9
74. Follow it up with a taxpayer strike.
We'll pay our share, when they pay theirs. Not until.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 09:19 PM
Response to Reply #74
84. Okay. Organize it. You want macro NOW you make it happen. I
think its pretty easy to diss someone else's effort when you have nothing but 'organize ______' to offer. YOU begin something and we'll be there.
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StarsInHerHair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 09:54 PM
Response to Reply #9
96. learned helplessness, eh?
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 12:45 AM
Response to Reply #9
116. Why bother you just would not understand....NWAMT.
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caseymoz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 01:17 AM
Response to Reply #9
117. I take it you have proof already that this is ineffectual?

You have the study and focus group reports to back it up. Come off it, will you!

One thing is certain: this is cheaper and far more effective than handing out fliers. Unlike fliers, money circulates far and wide. Don't you think people should point out problems with enormous social costs, somehow? Or is even pointing it out an "act of patting oneself on the back" to you? How can you ever start any activism with your attitude?

Please, spread your discouragement somewhere that it will do some good, like, the Free Republic or some other Conservative website.
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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 02:18 AM
Response to Reply #9
120. All great deeds and all great thoughts have a ridiculous beginning. "
-Albert Camus
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 06:16 AM
Response to Reply #9
126. You'd be surprised how many people DON'T know this tax fact,
and some of them might happen to read the message on the bill while waiting in the checkout line.

Small things that raise public awareness and can be widely done, are good things.
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 02:23 PM
Response to Reply #126
159. +1
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 08:41 AM
Response to Reply #9
133. Well, now...
For ONE thing, there are a great many people in this nation who are completely unaware of the fact that Exxon and BOA do not pay income tax. (No worries, wee mannie, your 'singular' ethnocentrism is a common malady...)

Furthermore, if you're sincerely concerned about 'effective' activism, I'm sure you've pledged to be in Freedom Plaza on October 6. Right? You're an 'actual' activist, aren't you?
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verges Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 10:07 AM
Response to Reply #9
142. awareness. nt
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 10:23 AM
Response to Reply #9
146. Perhaps it will raise awareness of an issue largely ignored by corporate media?
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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 11:19 AM
Response to Reply #9
154. Graffitti...V...GIve Me Liberty...,ect.. Posted protest has it's place.
It makes a difference. Sometimes in very big ways.
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 01:07 PM
Response to Reply #9
155. It's education for a lot of people...I don't think that can ever be bad. n/t
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Butch350 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 08:39 PM
Response to Reply #6
76. Are you the Master of Platitude...?
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 04:07 PM
Response to Reply #2
16. Back off! We are clearly in the presence of a very serious person thinking very serious thoughts!
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 06:41 PM
Response to Reply #16
53. Power to the people
Edited on Fri Aug-05-11 06:46 PM by MissDeeds
:toast:
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 04:09 PM
Response to Reply #2
17. agreed. I also write something on a dollar bill to repay one I got
when I was scraping bottom: Remember, someone loves you.

I will put this on dollars too.
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Butch350 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 08:35 PM
Response to Reply #2
73. OK. But you forgot to tell how to change things.
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PatrynXX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 03:55 AM
Response to Reply #2
123. Inaction is how Wisconsin got Scott Walker
o_O look how well that turned out
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 05:56 AM
Response to Reply #2
124. It also assists in their quest to blame absolutely everything on Obama and Democrats
because gee . . . we've seen so many (R)s advocating for oil companies to pay taxes!

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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 01:25 PM
Response to Reply #2
157. The word "Cynic" does not mean what you think it does
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Chimichurri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 01:33 PM
Response to Reply #1
4. Our economy was held hostage over taxes. The average person who is dizzy with the nonsense
has no idea that they are being lied to. This is a powerful way to let them know, IMHO.

I understand how you feel but I myself think things like this count. If messaging didn't work, Fox News would be out of viewers.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 03:05 PM
Response to Reply #1
8. Revolutions have been started with pamphlets.
This is just a small but powerful pamphlet.

I WILL start writing this on MY dollar bills.
Might even get a stamp.

SOLIDARITY for Working Americans!
VIVA Democracy.
WE outnumber THEM.
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 03:49 PM
Response to Reply #8
13. Yep. Me too............
A small, but powerful pamphlet. That's EXACTLY what it is. May I steal that phrase? :)
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 03:59 PM
Response to Reply #13
15. Help Yourself.
I claim no ownership of anything I post at DU.
Most of it is borrowed anyway.
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russspeakeasy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 09:42 PM
Response to Reply #1
95. None of those assholes would recognize a $1 bill anyway.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 10:42 PM
Response to Reply #1
97. Knowledge is power -- even if you don't know what to do with it at the moment --
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radhika Donating Member (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 12:00 AM
Response to Reply #1
114. As useless as a 1-day gas boycott n/t
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 09:38 AM
Response to Reply #114
137. More useless, imho. Not to mentionthe fact that defacing U.S. currency
is a federal felony, a fact that goes unmentioned by all the Keyboard Quixotes populating this site.
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verges Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 10:35 AM
Response to Reply #137
149. Are the "Where's George?" folk
serving time? They would be easier to find than a mass civil disobedience thing like this.
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MrMickeysMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 07:49 AM
Response to Reply #1
129. So, while we're all listening to that reminder...
You might just find yourself a stamp with similar wording, and give a way a few of these bills to the folks going into the Exxon Station, where they'll have to keep them temporarily and make change with them.

You are part of the many, and although you deserve to bitch, you deserve to act on your bitch.
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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 07:59 AM
Response to Reply #1
130. Recently, I posted the Al Jazeera report on
America wealthy inequality, to my FB page. As we know, America has the biggest wealth inequality in the world. These are the same kind of responses that I received from that posting.

"IS this a News-Flash?", " This sure ain't anything new", etc..

I pointed out to the FB commentors, like I am doing to you, that is the Biggest problem..,APATHY. When Americans get to the point, and the majority are, that these kind of inequalities are accepted rather than seen as "fighting words," Then our country has no hope.

IMO, No pride or sense of Justice either. When we accept these terrible inequalities as "the American way", we have lost.

Every time I think about how much America has become "for and by the elite". I get pissed and want to do whatever it takes, to stop the bastards. This is a country founded on Democracy not feudalism.

Our constitution rejects the tenants of third world countries and embraces a country based on equality and justice for all. Yet we have our political parties, almost completely controlled by the few (5% at most) wealthy,

amoral minority. Sickeningly, the Republican party (which seem to control the Democratic party also, "DLC" approved,uses morals and a distorted view as it's ironic "cover" to decimate all but the wealthy.

Unless we as Americans refuse to accept the terrible future that these warped, greedy individuals have laid out for us, then apathy is the correct tools to use.
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 09:29 AM
Response to Reply #130
136. Apathy?
Like a growing number of DUers and others, we can choose action: Freedom Plaza, October 6 until...

Envision hundreds of thousands of us encamped there. This is how Gandhi and millions of Indians broke Britain's economic stranglehold on their country.

Also, as above:

Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has.

Margaret Mead, (1901 - 1978)


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liberalmike27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 11:04 AM
Response to Reply #1
153. This is a delightful
Peaceable technique, and I would not worry about detractors. Nothing much is going to work completely, but at least this dollar is going to circulate, and maybe it'll make some people think, who aren't like us, pasted to political boards all the time. It's a lot like bumper stickers, both having a kind of randomness to exposure, to allow ideas and choices to infiltrate into areas where they normally might not.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 01:29 PM
Response to Original message
3. lol at that!
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ProfessionalLeftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 01:48 PM
Response to Original message
5. I want the stamp - someone must have had one custom-made
or...did a really good photoshop job.
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 04:13 PM
Response to Reply #5
20. You can get one made very cheaply
Edited on Fri Aug-05-11 04:16 PM by csziggy
Any stamp you want, so if the message above is not to your liking, you can come up with your own message.

Way back, there was a site where you could enter the serial number off your money, put the site on the bill, and if anyone else also entered the serial number, you could track where your bill traveled. Hubby made a stamp with the site name and stamped bills at his job. When he had time, he'd note the serial numbers and come home and enter them.

Some of the bills that passed through the business here in Tallahassee ended up exotic places such as the Phillipines, Sri Lanka, and a lot of European countries. It was fun to track them.

I wish I could remember the name of that site - it was kind of neat.

Edited to add - Where's George? http://www.wheresgeorge.com/

Edited again for statistics:
Bills 194,458,574
Totaling $1,048,543,333
Entered Today 38,237


It did prove how viral something like that can be and that a message on a bill can spread that idea very far. Not only were thousands of people putting the site on their bills and entering the serial number, but additional thousands who saw the site name on the bills were visiting just on that basis and checking the information out.

A stamp with a three line message would cost the same as an address stamp - the easiest to use are the self inking ones since they are stand alone and don't need a pad to re-ink them. Check places like Office Depot, Staples, FedEx Office, etc.
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ProfessionalLeftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 04:44 PM
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27. Hey that's fascinating! Thanks for the tracking info. n/t
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 02:03 PM
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7. I remember when people were writing "bush lies" on Dollar Bills
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 03:20 PM
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10. And that was very, very effective wasn't it?
A perfect illustration.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 04:13 PM
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19. a perfect illustration of how things go so slowly, your response. Even
if you don't do it, someone else will. Several people on this thread already see it as a thing to do. I will do it. It is the way things change. Or, you can sit and complain and do nothing. Small steps or no steps. I'll take the small steps.
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 04:46 PM
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28. I seem to recall that George Bush occupied the WH for 8 years...
so I guess the dollar bill thing was a wild success.
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Chorophyll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 04:59 PM
Response to Reply #28
33. Someone cue the Debbie Downer music.
You know, if you think this is such a terrible idea you're under no obligation to take part.

But you keep on thumping that keyboard at us, because that's fixing things a lot. Really.
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JimDandy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 09:40 PM
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93. LOL +10
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 05:00 PM
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34. Long view,
The US War of Independence started on July 4, 1776.

The process that led to that moment started in the 1730s and 1740s.

That is the long view.
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 09:42 AM
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138. Well, the true 'long view' would be that the process that
led to it started in 1215 (when Magna Carta was adopted in England :)

In fact, most real historians view American history as merely 'current events' :)
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comtec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 05:13 PM
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36. Don't forget the IMPEACHMENT, or TRIAL FOR WAR CRIMES those notes caused...
oh.. wait...
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Remember Me Donating Member (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 08:16 PM
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68. Actually, by the end of the 8 years he was overwhelmingly
considered a liar. And very much disliked.

I guess it was a wild success.













(Actually, I don't really think the campaign ALONE led to those outcomes...but I think it's equally silly to insist that a campaign like that ACHIEVE getting someone out of office to be considered successful.)
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 09:21 PM
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86. hi, remember me. welcome
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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 08:16 PM
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69. I also remember him going from 90% approval to 28% approval
Your point?
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 11:43 PM
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112. Oh, I remember, too



:D
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tomg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 09:08 PM
Response to Reply #28
79. It kept some of us
Going when we wanted to quit, and got a few others in the game when things were hard.
As they are now.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 09:14 PM
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81. How sad. (For debbie downer.) (Not anyone else. I hate these dropdown threads) :)
Edited on Fri Aug-05-11 09:15 PM by roguevalley
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 11:01 PM
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102. Maybe you shouldn't have voted for him?
:shrug:

RL
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 07:34 PM
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63. You are so correct. No idea in the modern age has even gone viral.
We may as well stay home and not even vote.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 09:22 PM
Response to Reply #63
87. viral is king. check out youtube.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 07:25 AM
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127. this has really got your dander up, hasn't it?
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verges Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 10:39 AM
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152. Did it hurt? nt
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 02:29 PM
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161. I got one that said "9/11 was an inside job"
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 03:44 PM
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11. legal questions ... ;)
This is a great idea! So many people are totally clueless about this stuff.

So l checked to see if this is legal. According to http://www.wheresgeorge.com/faq.php (great project, tracking dollar bills across the country!)
#8 Is it legal to write on or mark currency?
'Where's George?' does not encourage the defacement of U.S. Currency. The law defines 'illegal' defacement as defacement that renders bills unfit to be re-issued. For the legal details from the U.S. Bureau of Engraving and Printing, please Click Here


As far as I'm concerned, we're not breaking any laws. :evilgrin:


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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 03:47 PM
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12. wow that's good to know
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comtec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 05:16 PM
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37. it's little more than mental masterbation. if it makes yuo feel better go ahead and do it
but don't think he average person gives a fuck.
thats how we got into this mess

it's amazing... we have the most information at our fingertips than any point in human history... and yet we still vote like drunken morans at the ballot box.

what is wrong with this country? (that was rhetorical if you didn't know)
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 05:47 PM
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44. i think this campaign will be more effective since it involves money! nt
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 12:36 AM
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163. Yeah, well,
mental masturbation beats brain dead any day of the week. In fact, I consider 'the average person' who 'doesn't give a fuck' the "walking dead." I have to remind myself--often--'there but for the Grace of the FSM...'
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renate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 03:54 PM
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14. I would love that stamp
It's more effective than writing "Bush lies" was, because just like I would ignore "Obama lies" on a dollar bill, nobody's going to be persuaded to a whole new point of view by a factless slogan on a dollar bill.

This, however, is a tangible and easy to understand and easy to research fact. "Wow. I'm spending more on a candy bar than Exxon and B of A pay in taxes? I had no idea!" Because most people don't.
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ProfessionalLeftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 04:47 PM
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29. Ordered one this afternoon
with red ink - around $20. I think you're right that facts are persuasive, whereas a flat statement with no info to back it up isn't. With this, the entire perspective with verifiable facts is presented in just 3 lines of text.
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qb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 04:15 PM
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21. I'm pissed off after reading it. It's an effective way of getting people's attention.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 04:17 PM
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22. I'm a geek. I love Phineas and Ferb.
"Ferb, I know what we're gonna do today!"

:thumbsup:
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Spike89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 04:29 PM
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24. corporate taxes pretty much a red herring
simply stop and think about it for a second in general terms. If the profits get plowed back into the business, isn't that what we want and doesn't that investment help unemployment? Obviously we've got a seriously broken tax code, but I'd be 100% happy with virtually every business earning enough tax credits to avoid paying taxes--if the tax credits were legitimate.

For instance, if we assess a 50% tax on corporate gross income, but allowed 100% write off for labor and labor benefits (with plenty of incentives and rules to ensure that the labor isn't 99.9% in the CEO salary). The real problem right now is that from the corporation's standpoint, paying the CEO an extra $1 million, (or paying dividends on stock) is exactly as beneficial, tax-wise, as hiring 20 $50K employees.

That the CEO pays about the same tax rate (or lower) than the janitors in the corporation is a much more important and shocking tax fact than the structure of the corporate books.

Us liberals need to understand, Walmart (Exxon, etc.) are NOT the enemy. Ironically, we know they are not persons, but then we demonize them as if they were. The enemy are the people running these things and the politicians that refuse to use the tax code to enforce the social contract and fairness that nurtures and protects the democracy.
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Fantastic Anarchist Donating Member (953 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 05:34 PM
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43. But they use loopholes in order to get out of reinvesting in their nation.
That, I most certainly have a problem with.

And yes, Wal Mart, Exxon, etc. are my enemy.
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saras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 07:39 PM
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64. You're confusing business and corporations
Business is nothing more or less than one of many human activities. When humans do business, they weigh their various values, and make compromises based on them. An extreme example is the need for sleep versus the desire for more work hours.

A corporation is a completely artifical entity, constructed for the purpose of doing business, but not legally allowed to have any other purpose. (They do, of course, the purposes and values of the class of people running them, but it is usually illegal for them to serve those values over those of making a profit for the shareholders).

At this point in time, corporations have so much power relative to other elements of society that they are consistently finding it more profitable to manipulate the entire rest of the game board than to play their role by the rules. Until we repair that problem, I see little to no chance of getting large corporations to treat people - customers, employees, neighbors - with respect.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 09:26 PM
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91. Fuck corporations. The minute they went multinational we all became doomed.
corporations are the sum total of the evil of their leadership and people are dead because of the slavish devotion of tools to their corps. I am sure the people of Bhopal know who they hate.
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KT2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 08:04 PM
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65. Corporations do not want
any taxes at all. The meme is that corporations, often referred to as business, are sitting on their cash because they are unsure of the tax and regulation atmosphere. The Repubs are fighting for NO corporate tax. They also want no interference from the EPA. Having to p;protect the health of the citizens impinges on the profits for CEOs and shareholders.

That is interesting because take Boeing for example. They want a well educated work force, they want utilities and well maintained infrastructure to serve their needs, they want medical facilities available, they want universities available to them, they want transportation for their employees and their materials. They want a well run airport that is convenient, they want police and fire service for their facilities. When they have spills of toxic materials - as has happened - the city and state must respond. They expect the State Department and other government agencies to act on their behalf in international trade.

Ireland instituted the lowest corporate tax rate. They are now one of the most bankrupted countries

Yes - corporations are the enemy in my mind. They are things that exist to make money. They should be expected to contribute to the common good - something that was once required in a corporate charter.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 11:21 PM
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108. Little difference between corporations and organized crime --
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 09:24 PM
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89. Exxon is the damned enemy. They killed the Prince william sound
got a fine reduced and wrote it off in taxes. Exxon will always be the enemy in Alaska.

It doesn't matter the big issues that you speak of. We want to hit a nerve and knowing that the fucking corps don't pay dick is enough to set off even teabaggers.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 11:19 PM
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107. Are you kidding? Corporate/fascism is no "red herring" --
Profits are no longer "plowed back into the business" --

They're paid out to CEO's --

Especially because taxes were made lower on the wealthy -- and tax rules were changed

to make it easier to keep money out of the business rather than reinvesting it!


What we need to do is return to progressive taxation on the wealthy and on corporations --!!

And charge every corporation for the damage they've done to the environment -- !!

How much is the planet worth? How much is the human species worth?

What we have to do is stop judging everything by the yardstick of a dollar bill!


What we need is MEDICARE FOR ALL to free employees and small businesses from this yoke

around all our necks of being tied to a company for its benefits --

or having to worry about outrageous insurance costs -- !!



Us liberals need to understand, Walmart (Exxon, etc.) are NOT the enemy. Ironically, we know they are not persons, but then we demonize them as if they were. The enemy are the people running these things and the politicians that refuse to use the tax code to enforce the social contract and fairness that nurtures and protects the democracy.


Evidently you don't understand Global Warming or corporate/fascism --

Time to dismantle capitalism which is a ridiculous "King-of-the-Hill" system instended to '

move the wealth and natural resources of a nation from the many to the few --

Unregulated capitalism is merely organized crime --



"Walmart, Exxon, etc are NOT the enemy" --


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 09:47 AM
Response to Reply #24
139. Taxing corporations will mean taxing union and public employee
pension funds (which are big shareholders in the publicly traded corporations).

Far better would be to re-enact a truly progressive income tax, so that wealthy and high-income individuals pay a higher percentage of their incomes than do the poor and working classes.

Thanks for your sensible comments on a thread that elevates exercises in futility to a whole new level.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 10:02 AM
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141. But the profits get plowed back into officer bonuses
Your post is practically verbatim from the Norquist/AEI propaganda factory.
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mfcorey1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 04:33 PM
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25. I got one that encourages a vote for Ron Paul printed in red ink across the legal tender.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 05:26 PM
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41. Devilish. I like it!
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abelenkpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 07:18 PM
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58. You want people to vote for Ron Paul? nt
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mfcorey1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 10:52 PM
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100. Not in thia lifetime!
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i miss america Donating Member (822 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 09:03 AM
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135. Of course not! Only people who believe in the Constitution & want a healthy monetary system should.
You want people to vote for Ron Paul?

I mean, what other reason is there to vote for Ron Paul?
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 09:49 AM
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140. ROTFLMAO - Awesome! - n/t
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 04:40 PM
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26. K&R
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Lifelong Protester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 05:19 PM
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38. I write on mine: "Free Wisconsin-Recall Walker!"
It makes me feel good, and gets a message out there.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 05:52 PM
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45. Ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!
Good one!
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 05:53 PM
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46. if you have facebook, check out these images!
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abelenkpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 07:27 PM
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61. Love the NO Michelle Bachman 2012 :) nt
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 06:08 PM
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47. question ... a more generic wording for other notes
Would this work?

GE, EXXON, & BANK OF AMERICA
PAID LESS THAN THIS IN TAXES!




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Lifelong Protester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 06:36 PM
Response to Reply #47
52. I also like "IF FOUND, RETURN TO THE UPPER 2%"
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 11:24 PM
Response to Reply #47
109. No -- the original in the OP is better ... gives reader more time to think, have msg hit them -- !!
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 06:26 PM
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50. Isn't is a federal offense to write on US currency?
Edited on Fri Aug-05-11 06:28 PM by Ter
Or is that a myth?
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 09:22 PM
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88. See post #11. nt.
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 06:43 PM
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54. Every little bit helps
nt.
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Moonwalk Donating Member (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 06:45 PM
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55. Actually, the biggest problem I see with this is that people aren't using dollar bills that much--
More and more, we're switching to credit/debit cards, gift cards, even electronic payments. My local bus costs a dollar and I use a bus pass rather than slipping dollar bills into the slot. And I use an app on my iPhone to pay for my Starbucks coffee. Just beep it under the scanner and it deducts what I paid and lets me know how much I've got left. When I want to refill it, I use the debit card. No dollar bills get passed between me and the barrister behind the counter.

How many dollar bills do most people have on them these days?
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abelenkpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 07:23 PM
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60. I use cash
Take out money each week and pay for everything out of that cash. Helps me keep spending in line. I literally can say to my kids: "We don't have enough for that. How about something that costs less?"

I've written messages on dollars since a teenager. It's not a bad idea.

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 11:09 PM
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104. Gasoline prices may be changing that -- and causing them to THINK about credit cards ...
and how they add to the cost of everything we buy --

My little vegetable store in my town told me .56 cents just to swipe a credit

card --

Costs him more than $35,000 a year to have the cards --

Could hire two more people for that money --

PLUS you can be sure that he has to factor in the cost of the cads in all his pricing!



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Philippine expat Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 11:12 PM
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105. Many people still use cash n/t
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 08:27 AM
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132. i always keep some cash on hand
and use it fairly often. i don't like using my debit card to buy a $1 sweet tea for instance.
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 06:48 PM
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56. wow.
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 07:20 PM
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59. That's good but it should include a URL to some kind of relevant website.
Someplace with a lot more information.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 02:16 AM
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119. Excellent point! Gives me another idea.
I would love another way like this to promote the Cost of War website.
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 07:32 PM
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62. I wish I had one.
That's pretty cool.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 08:32 PM
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72. Make one...
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GSLevel9 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 08:08 PM
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66. is it a felony to deface US Currency? nt
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hay rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 08:17 PM
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70. Nothing could be uglier than the truth.
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 08:29 PM
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71. see post 11. it depends
the way i read the law, it sounds marginally legal.

But even if it's illegal, who's gonna track you down and arrest you for it? :D

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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 08:47 PM
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77. Well not only that, we're going to have to get over
an obsession with "legality" when it comes to economic democracy. ANYTHING that is EFFECTIVE that is going to go against the exploiting classes WILL BE ILLEGAL. If you're afraid of illegal, you might as well change sides now.

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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 08:38 PM
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75. I'm ready!!!


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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 09:18 PM
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83. I saw this on FB. How do I get a stamp that says this???
I want one. Forget Where's George. Lets go with this.
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 09:21 PM
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85. Getting out my wallet now.... even if it doesn't help, I will enjoy it. nt
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DissedByBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 09:26 PM
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90. $7.721 billion dollars
According to their latest 10Q statement, that's how much Exxon paid in income taxes in the last quarter alone.

This is obviously not true.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 09:40 PM
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94. Not to the IRS for income taxes...
Edited on Fri Aug-05-11 09:42 PM by Jamastiene
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Zax2me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 09:39 PM
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92. Exxon, B of A - why not add GE?
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 11:02 PM
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103. Excellent secret message!
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 11:49 PM
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113. A revolution starts with a single, bold idea...
Edited on Fri Aug-05-11 11:49 PM by CoffeeCat
...and no revolution began without a single, bold idea.

When I see this dollar, I think about the movie V FOR VENDETTA. Those people sat around
in a stupor, much like we are doing today. We're getting so used to corrpution, our democracy
eroding, stolen elections, war, illegal surveillance--that we're getting numb.

A single idea on a dollar bill, like this, would have been powerful to those numbed-out people
in that movie.

It's important to remind people--when democracy is failing and the corporations are amassing
untold amounts of power--by buying off our elected officials.

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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 12:41 AM
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115. This is brilliant
This rubber stamp needs to be available on ebay or a seller here on DU or any of the fundraising organizations we support as a reward for a donation instead of a tee shirt.
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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 02:27 AM
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121. I DID IT. IS ANYONE ELSE DOING IT??????
All this talking and nothing getting done. The Democratic party in one thread.
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 10:36 AM
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151. Yes, indeed!
Also, I get Avery labels and post pithy quotes and relevant messages on any surface visible to a significant number of the hoi polloi (eg, bus stops, corner light poles, drive-thru windows, etc). I did NOT originate this awesome idea, but I use it. Plus, both Cindy Sheehan and Ann Wright took several pages of my labels to post as they traveled across the US.

I hope more of us will participate in these 'outrageous acts and everyday rebellions.' If all of us get busy, and write the suggested message(s) on our currency, think how many bills would spread the word!

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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 02:28 AM
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122. I DID IT. IS ANYONE ELSE DOING IT??????
All this talking and nothing getting done. The Democratic party in one thread.
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 06:00 AM
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125. Didn't know about it till now.
Going to look for a movable type stamp tomorrow. It will be useful in other ways as well.
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MrMickeysMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 07:46 AM
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128. P.S. ....
and... GE!
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 08:01 AM
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131. They don't pay taxes but we fight their wars for them...
The terra-ists have won.
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teewrex Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 10:12 AM
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143. Not to defend them but if they pay dividends to stockholders than they pay taxes
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 10:16 AM
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144. Did you run out of bags?
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 02:27 PM
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160. LOL
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 10:36 AM
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150. A cheap source of rubber stamps
Edited on Sat Aug-06-11 10:44 AM by Generic Other
11/2 by 3 inches is $6.95 ( way more than Exxon or BP paid in taxes!!

http://www.rubberstamps.net/unmounted-custom-stamps.aspx

I even pre-made one for us!

http://orders.rubberstamps.net/FixedSize.aspx?ProductID=UNMOUNTED7&qty=1
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 01:08 PM
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156. I love it. n/t
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booley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 01:28 PM
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158. There's knowing something & then there's grokking it
That seems to be a failing for alot of liberals and why I think so many get discouraged.

One can know a fact but not really understand what that means so the full implications get brushed aside.

I see this every time cons say that business exists to make money (which is true) but somehow fail to get that making money is why they cant' be trusted to self regulate or do the job of government.

And Right wing groups like Fox take advantage of that. It;s why they repeat and repeat and repeat the same lines over and over.

There's no reason not to do write this sort of stuff on dollar bills. It only costs a little time and potentially can reach a huge audience.
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