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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 02:45 PM
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Proposed New Group: "Made in USA"
Edited on Fri Aug-05-11 03:41 PM by AndyTiedye
This group would be for exchanging recommendations for products that are made in the USA.

So much production has been offshored now, even some of the most "American" of brands,
that it is becoming increasingly difficult to find stuff that is made in the USA anymore.
The mall stores and the big boxes carry mostly stuff from China, and the mom&pop stores
(the few that are left) aren't much better.

A "Made in USA" group would help DU'ers find good American-made stuff.

Please Reply if you want this group to be formed.
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CleanGreenFuture Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 02:47 PM
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1. Nope. ---> Edit: Changing my vote to yes. (See post #4...Thanks Ruby!)
Edited on Fri Aug-05-11 03:12 PM by CleanGreenFuture
That would relegate that information to a little-visited forum in the DU backwaters.

Better to have that up here in "General" Discussion.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 02:50 PM
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3. I'm with that too. K & R! nt
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 03:04 PM
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4. You can always cross post
I love the idea. It would be great to have this as a one stop shopping resource.
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CleanGreenFuture Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 03:10 PM
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5. Well, when you put it that way...
"a one stop shopping resource"

I didn't look at it that way.

And, yes, cross-posting is an option I suppose.

...

Based on this, I would change my vote to yes.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 03:49 PM
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12. Any Chance You Could Pick Up a Donor Star?
Edited on Fri Aug-05-11 03:50 PM by AndyTiedye
We need 10 with donor stars. Though it looks like we'll get there pretty soon anyway.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 03:13 PM
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6. Cross-Posting Solves That Problem
I would encourage the cross-posting of relevant GD posts here, and all posts here to GD.

It would be easier to find the information here than by searching GD when we need to buy something.

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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 02:49 PM
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2. COUNT ME IN! I ONLY want to buy American. nt
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Chimichurri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 03:23 PM
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7. I like this idea. Thank you.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 03:26 PM
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8. Great idea.
Edited on Fri Aug-05-11 03:27 PM by originalpckelly
:P

You've got a vote in me.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 03:40 PM
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9. Please Reply, Don't Just Recommend
Edited on Fri Aug-05-11 03:43 PM by AndyTiedye
I see we have more recommends than replies. If recommends were votes, we'd be there already.

Recommends are nice, but we need 10 positive replies from DU'ers with donor stars to apply for a group.
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renate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 03:43 PM
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10. here's a positive reply!
Great idea!
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GoCubsGo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 03:46 PM
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11. Yes, please.
I have some sites bookmarked to add to it.
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BadGimp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 03:50 PM
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13. yes indeed
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 03:51 PM
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14. I'm all for it. I bought all my kid's school clothes strictly from US companies
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 03:52 PM
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15. Health Food Stores
Food is on thing we still produce, and health & beauty products are made here.

A lot of make-up is now made in China ..... Yuck

Everybody needs food
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tilsammans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 03:55 PM
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16. Let's go USA!
Fabulous idea! :applause:
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Lifelong Protester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 04:02 PM
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17. I would participate, so count me as a "yes".
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 04:03 PM
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18. Add my vote on yes
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 04:13 PM
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19. We Have Our 10 and then Some, Keep on Voting, Request Submitted
I have sent the following email to Skinner:

I propose the creation of a "Made in USA" DU group.
_____________________________________________________________________
This group would be for exchanging recommendations for products that are
made in the USA.

So much production has been offshored now, even some of the most
"American" of brands, that it is becoming increasingly difficult to find
stuff that is made in the USA anymore. The mall stores and the big
boxes carry mostly stuff from China, and the mom&pop stores (the few
that are left) aren't much better.

A "Made in USA" group would help DU'ers find good American-made stuff.
_____________________________________________________________________

The voting is currently 11-0 (now 13-0) in favor, with at least 10 donors voting.

The thread on GD:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1671896


Most thread regarding sources of American-made stuff are on GD, so they
scroll off pretty fast, and can be difficult to find with search. This
group would not be to discourage such posting, but to make the
information easier to find. Crossposting the GD posts into the group
and visa versa would be encouraged.

I hope you will accept and implement this proposal.

Thank you

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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 04:24 PM
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20. Hear Hear
I'm in!!!
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JoeyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 04:39 AM
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21. Another yes vote.
I try to buy American whenever possible, and this would make it a lot easier.
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divvy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 04:48 AM
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22. One practical question first
The iron was mined in Canada. It was smelted into steel in Pittsburgh, It was sent to Germany to be machined, it was sent to China to be assembled into a sub-assembly along with other parts from around the world, it was sent to Japan for final assembly and packaging, it was shipped to the USA to be sold, the parent company is in Topeka, and their banking accounts are in the Cayman Islands.

Was this product "Made in the USA"? At what point is it, or does it stop being?
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ms.smiler Donating Member (311 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 09:53 AM
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29. Divvy - the product you describe was not Made in USA
Most of the raw materials and most of the production must be done in the U.S. to meet the legal standard.

The product likely would be Made in USA at the point that steel was produced. The steel went off to other countries as material for another product. Quite a few countries along the way added value but ultimately did not create a Made in USA product. I suspect such a product would qualify as Assembled in Japan if they have such a designation.

I liken that situation to a product that is Assembled in USA where at least a few American workers added value and assembled a variety of foreign made components.

I support a Made in USA forum. I could likely contribute something worthwhile. I'm a business person and I've been buying and selling Made in USA products for years. I came from a union household so U.S. manufacturing was always important to my family.





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divvy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 10:49 AM
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32. Ok then lets look at a complex construction like an automobile
Copper wire with insulation. This could have been made in several different countries by a single american company. All the wire in a car does not come from the same place either. It does not even come from the same place for any length of time. Now, lets look at the synthetic materials in the upholstery and dashboard. I think you get the idea.

It is nearly impossible to determine where an automobile is "made" with any accuracy. The percentage is not static either. The mix of materials and parts will change over the course of a year. If you require 51%, then some products will be on your list this month and then off it the next.

If the plan is to require manufacturers to track this information and then to submit it to a government agency, then I feel the effort has failed before it started.

We have a "sister company" in China. An insustrial city near by changed its name to USA. Guess what the tag says on the products they export?

"Consumerism" was a buzz-word in the 70's. No regulation was needed. The magic of the marketplace would supervise manufacturers. It failed.
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ms.smiler Donating Member (311 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 09:46 PM
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36. Divvy - I am familiar with the myth of a city in Japan named USA
so I am doubtful of the information you presented. In what region is the city located? The name of the city would not override the nation of origin so any label should still read Made in China.

I'm a rare breed, an honest to goodness free market capitalist and the only way for a free market to exist, is for prudent regulation to ensure its existence and operation. Large corporations are not about competition - they are all about eliminating competition.

What I respect and honor most is the power of consumer dollars in the marketplace. Consumers can still reward the businesses that please them and starve the businesses that are unworthy of hard earned consumer dollars.

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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 04:49 AM
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23. Proud to support our country! Sign me up!
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divvy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 04:49 AM
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24. How about something with 12 parts from 12 different countries?
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Sanity Claws Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 05:29 AM
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25. I like your idea
Sometimes I see people post links to products made in the US but I forget about them later. It would be great to have the information in a single place.
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Zephie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 07:40 AM
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26. I like it.
:thumbsup:
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 08:40 AM
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27. I'm in favor of this. But to take it a step further, what do you think about this?
In addition to gathering companies with owners brave enough to proclaim they're dedicated to COOPERATION, COMPASSION, COMMUNITY and INTEGRITY -- words, let alone actions, that have been maligned for decades in the US -- by having them create listings in Wishadoo!'s Business Directory, I have a category dedicated to MADE IN THE USA, and can create subcategories within that area for different types of businesses.

If you guys know of companies who would be a good fit for listing their business in that category, it will reach people beyond DUers.

Listings are free at this point in time. Please send any applicable small business persons to the site, if you are so inclined, in addition to sharing the info here at DU.

:hi:

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LaydeeBug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 08:55 AM
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28. I do feel better buying "Made in the USA " products...
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 10:06 AM
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30. Sounds great!
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 10:20 AM
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31. Well, that pretty much rules out buying any cars!

Some autos are assembled in the United States with many/most parts manufactured abroad.

And some "American made" cars are assembled abroad and imported into the United States.

And some "foreign cars" are assembled in the United States.

Everyone on DU buys countless "foreign made" products and will continue to do so unless they want to become mountainmen or women and live off the land.

World-wide super nationalistic "Buy American", "Buy German" or "Buy Chinese" propaganda can only create conflict and divisions among working people and does not create a single job.

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ms.smiler Donating Member (311 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 11:18 AM
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33. Better Believe It – I’d like to tell you about a man and a company I read about
The guys name is Mark Andol and his company is General Welding & Fabricating. He lost his largest customer to a competitor in China. He had to lay off many workers as a result.

Personally, I suspect the guy is right leaning but support for U.S. manufacturing crosses over political lines and ideology. What matters is what the man did next.

He took $50,000 and invested it in a property that was formerly a Ford dealership. With that space, he opened a Made in USA store, filled with domestic product including his own products. He put his former employees back to work in that store.

The store has been open for one year now and his sales have doubled in that time. His store is online as well and is located here: http://www.saveourcountryfirst.com/

He’s a picky fellow and only offers 100% Made in USA products to his customers, down to the packaging and glue.

A funny thing happened; his store became a tourist stop. People drive hundreds of miles to shop there and tour buses stop on their way to Niagara Falls.

There is demand for Made in USA products. Those people posting on this thread seek such products. There are directories for domestic product and their site traffic includes a healthy percentage of foreign shoppers seeking Made in USA goods.

If there is demand for Made in USA products, why should anyone discount or ignore that demand?

It’s not “super nationalistic” for me or anyone else to support our own manufacturing capability. It is actually an important factor for a healthy economy. Production is the means to create wealth. Free Trade policies have ensured that we bleed jobs and wealth while global players accumulate the wealth from production for themselves.

You might want to contact Mr. Andol and tell him that buying American won’t create a single job.


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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 11:35 AM
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34. So do you own an American made car?
Edited on Sat Aug-06-11 11:54 AM by Better Believe It

It's nice that someone opened a little store that sells U.S. products.

I hope more do.

But, the fact is most stores in the world, including the United States, now sell products made around the world.

That's where we are at in this stage of global capitalism and Mr. Andol's store doesn't change that.

But, his store doesn't have much to do with actively promoting super-nationalistic "buy American" campaigns now and he doesn't manufacture anything. Isn't that right?




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ms.smiler Donating Member (311 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 03:31 PM
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35. Nearly all the products in my home are Made in USA
I even own vintage products because they are superior to modern day foreign made goods. I expect something in return for my hard earned dollars, not junk.

It wasn't me who devised the Free Trade and global economy scheme. I knew what worked for our country, our businesses, our marketplace and American workers and consumers which explains why I rejected Free Trade policies and most foreign made goods.

Imprudent self serving capitalists designed this new scheme and it cheats workers as well as consumers and has degraded the marketplace.

Do you not know why our large retail chains carry foreign made goods? Foreign made goods are nothing more than a profit margin masquerading as a product. Our large chain stores are a part of this global scheme. They prefer to sell foreign made goods because they come with obscene profit margins. Domestic goods have only an ordinary profit margin because they actually contain product.

Large corporations traded American wages, American standards, American worker, product and environmental regulations for obscene profits for themselves. This approach to commerce works well for those corporations but not our marketplace, not our families and not our economy.

It’s not just American workers that were harmed with this new scheme; it was also our merchants, another important component of our middle class. Large chains to a great degree replaced mom and pop operations. To this day I still shop the local hardware store and my local pharmacy and grocer, not the large chains.

You seem resigned to the global scheme that was presented to you while I am not resigned to accept an approach to commerce that is not in my best interest or the best interest of my country.

Like Mr. Andol, I suppose I must have spunk. I know darn well that the entire world revolves around my consumer dollars and I use that power well in the marketplace.

I’ll point to three companies, Green Toys, Recycline and Epicurean. I’ve seen all come into existence and because of consumer support, all expanded their operations and contributed additional domestic product to the marketplace. I traded my dollars for their products and they used those dollars to expand their companies and offer additional products for me to shop. As you can see, I don’t just shop; I invest my money in companies who employ American workers. I wonder how many jobs I helped create by shopping with those companies…

What I see at this "stage of global capitalism" is demand for Made in USA goods. Mr. Andol is not the only merchant to open such a store.

There is also Hometown USA Stores located here: http://www.hometownusastores.com/

Nortons USA is another brick and mortar store and it's online here: http://www.nortonsusa.com/

American Aisle is yet another brick and mortar store and it's online here: http://www.americanaisle.com/

Out in Ohio there are two brick and mortar stores that offer Made in USA products as well as Assembled in USA products.

There are also numerous and growing online stores that offer only Made in USA goods. Even Overstock.com has a Made in USA department now. These are retailers where American manufacturers can actually find shelf space.

This is a trend in retailing and it's happening because of consumer demand. Merchants and shoppers are teaming up to support U.S. manufacturing because there is nothing wrong with greater options and selection for consumers.

At least two people have organized Made in USA parades in their towns as a way to support and express the value of U.S. manufacturing. People are finding all sorts of ways to support our economy and American workers.

In fact, I wonder if this is a way to revitalize our downtown shopping districts. There are enough domestic products to stock many types of shops. One shop could be a pet store with only Made in USA goods. Another could be a toy store. Such a shopping district would expand choices for consumers.

Shoppers purchase domestic goods for quite a number of reasons including environmental concerns, labor concerns, moral issues, economic issues, patriotism, safety concerns, etc. It’s a shame you see it as only “nationalistic.”

I think it’s wonderful that so many people who come to the U.S. and become American citizens shop the same as I and seek U.S. made goods. They too want to support their adoptive country. I’m complimented that Canadians and the Japanese people are especially appreciative of U.S. made goods.

I feel pride that a fellow American designed a new innovative tape dispenser which I can use in our shipping room. Like mine, it’s a woman owned business. I’m humored that a fellow American took an American made engine, attached it to a union made in the U.S. bar stool and built a business making motorized bar stools. People now race with them.

It’s in our nature to be innovative and productive and people want to connect with something at the heart of this country. I like being reminded that an American somewhere is tinkering in his garage and will devise something useful and possibly fun.

I drive the 1994 Chrysler New Yorker I inherited from my father. The vehicles my company owns are union made in the U.S.

Mr. Andol’s “little store” offers 3,000 Made in USA products to shoppers and is presently I believe 6,000 square foot. He like some of the other merchants, hope to open a chain of such stores across the country. He is an American manufacturer and many of his products are consumer goods.

Better Believe It – there is a wheel in front of you. I put my shoulder to it years ago. Perhaps you feel disgusted, defeated, or something else, but you are welcome to lend your shoulder. You’d be in good company. You don’t have to wave any flags or hate anyone. I suppose you only need to desire fine products that will most often exceed your expectations. As I’ve discovered, Made in USA is a superb guideline to use when shopping.

Maybe part of this consumer demand is pushback against failed Free Trade policies and a global economy that doesn’t meet the needs of most people in the system.


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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 06:16 PM
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37. I'm in ... I vote YES! nt
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Shagbark Hickory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 06:23 PM
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38. "Protectionism" would be a catchier name for it.
Edited on Mon Aug-08-11 06:24 PM by Shagbark Hickory
There's people on DU from other countries like canada that would just as soon buy only canadian-made products.
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musette_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-11 09:47 AM
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39. Yes, I would like such a group to be formed
maybe a different name?

"American Goods From American Workers"?

"Support American Labor"?

"For U.S. By U.S."?

?????
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-11 09:53 AM
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40. You've got my vote.
I had to buy an iron last week and checked three different stores for one made in the U.S.A. I had no choice but to settle for one made in China. I wonder if this could tie in somehow with the D.U. marketplace which was originally a good idea if it had been stuff made by DUers instead of stuff mostly for resell. Anyway, just a thought.
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a simple pattern Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-11 12:21 PM
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41. Hello
Yes please!
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